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That is your idea of civil conversation?
It is a civil converstation.
You have a crackpot fantasy*. He is stating a fact. If you cannot understand the physcs involved in the Sun then you should not be creating crackpot ideas.

*A fantasy because it violates thermodynamics, e.g see Micheal Mozina's iron crust has been debunked!
The fact that it fails many other observations (an iron crust at a temperature of > 9400 K :jaw-dropp ) and predicts absolutely nothing just makes it a joke. See the over 50 questions that Michael Mozina is incapable of answering.
 
FYI, we will also be able to observe the mass movement along opaque limbs. The limbs will becomes consistently opaque at 4800KM under the photosphere. Every single one of these predictions will end up revealing that surface to be about 4800Km +- 1200 below the bottom of the chromosophere. I know because I've already counted the pixels that you evidently can't see.
 
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Every RD image in the iron ion wavelengths will reveal the surface of the sun. It will demonstrate that the opaque edge is 4800KM from the bottom of the chromosphere. How much simpler can I make it?
No RD image in the iron wavelengths, e.g. 171A, will reveal the surface of the Sun. That is your "I see bunnies" fantasy.

For about the 100'th time: The 171A passband can only detect light from material with temperatures between 160,000 and 2,00,000 K. The only material in the Sun with that temperature is above the photosphere until you get deep into the interior.

How much simpler can I make it?
 
FYI, we will also be able to observe the mass movement along opaque limbs that is becomes consistently opaque at 4800KM under the photosphere. Every single one of these predictions will end up revealing that surface to be about 4800Km +- 1200 below the bottom of the chromosophere. I know because I've already counted the pixels that you evidently can't see.
FYI, we will also be able to observe the mass movement of plasma 1000's of KM above the photosphere. Every single one of these predictions will end up revealing that iron crust to be your fantasy because it violates thermodynamics, e.g see Micheal Mozina's iron crust has been debunked!
The fact that it fails many other observations (an iron crust at a temperature of > 9400 K :jaw-dropp ) and predicts absolutely nothing just makes it a joke. See the over 50 questions that Michael Mozina is incapable of answering.
 
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At last, someone who seems to be talking about (well, hinting at) what a total solar eclipse might tell us!

I just want to see a planetary eclipse in relationship to that border regions between the chromosphere and 4800KM under the chromosphere.
 
You guys claim to want 'civil' conversation, but you can't wean yourself away from your laughing doggie and pointless childish behavior.
 
Michael, would you like to explain what this has to do with nuclear chemistry?

Sure. Everything in the region between the surface and the chromosphere is highly ionized, so ionized that photo onization shouldn't really be an issue. Something in the atmosphere however is absorbing that wavelength (and only that wavelength) of the iron ion light spectrum. If I understood what element did that, I might be able to get some kind of handle of energy states but anything else seems like a wild guess.
 
You guys claim to want 'civil' conversation, but you can't wean yourself away from your laughing doggie and pointless childish behavior.
We want to pursue a civil conversation about science.
If you continue to spout non-scientific nonsense then we reserve the right to laugh at you.
Ignoring the laws of thermodynamics is laughable and deserves a
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When you stop your pointless childish behavior and actually
  • try to answer some questions or​
  • show that you have some knowledge of physics (or for that matter that the Sun is 3D rather then your attempts to analyse it as 2D) or​
  • even show that you are capable of learning anything.​
then no laughing dog will be needed.
 
Sure. Everything in the region between the surface and the chromosphere is highly ionized, so ionized that photo onization shouldn't really be an issue. Something in the atmosphere however is absorbing that wavelength (and only that wavelength) of the iron ion light spectrum. If I understood what element did that, I might be able to get some kind of handle of energy states but anything else seems like a wild guess.
Nuclear chemistry has nothing to do with ionization.

Nothing in the atmosphere is absorbing "wavelength (and only that wavelength) of the iron ion light spectrum".

Fe is being heated in the atmosphere, some of it is being ionized, some of those ions are recombining and emitting that "wavelength (and only that wavelength) of the iron ion light spectrum".
You may actually want to state which wavelength you are talking about.
 
I have emailed Oliver for help with the nuclear chemistry. If you have any insights as to why Fe XX passes through, but 94A is unique in terms of absorption, I admit, I need help.
"94A" is not unique.
The opacity of the photosphere means that light of any wavelength will not pass though more than ~500 km.
 
What a hypocrite you are. First you complain you want me to be "civil" and then you go right back to going below the belt. What is your problem? You completely debase what should otherwise be an interesting scientific conversation in every single post. What's that about?


Oliver Manuel is a crackpot. There's nothing uncivil about it.
 
FYI sol, it looks to me from the SDO images that something in the photosphere interferes with FE 18. That one particular iron ion wavelength seems to be "blurrier" than the rest of the iron ion wavelengths to my eye.
More bunnies! Where is the numerical analysis of the sharpness of the scientific data used to create the public relations, first light (i.e. before testing the instrument has finished)image compared to other image data?

A link to the actual PR image would be good.
 
Every RD image in the iron ion wavelengths will reveal the surface of the sun. It will demonstrate that the opaque edge is 4800KM from the bottom of the chromosphere. How much simpler can I make it?

Bottom? What bottom? The pictures are two dimensional, Michael. Every RD image will reveal some iron emissions next to some other iron emissions. It's only your guesswork---not the data---that's putting one thing "below" another.

I hate to ask. Do you know what the words "two dimensional" mean? Perhaps we've been going over your head and that's why you've ignored 50 or 60 posts making the same point. The Sun is three dimensional. To identify a certain point in the Sun, you need to specify X, Y, and Z (count 'em---1,2,3). A photograph is two dimensional. A given "point" on a photograph has only an X and a Y (count 'em---1,2). One pixel in a photo will collect light from the Sun from any point with the same X and Y, but from many points with *many* values of Z. You can't look at a photo and tell which Z the light came from.
 
That is your idea of civil conversation?


Your conjecture is a crackpot conjecture. It's a definitive descriptive term for the claim you're making. My idea of an uncivil conversation is, for example...

I think before I spend money on a lawyer, I'll spend some time creating a few RD movies for you first and stuff your arrogant attitude right down your throat. We'll then compare them to what NASA has in their daily archives and see what you come up with for the same time period. Like I said, I have a day job, and you aren't my first priority in life, even with that smug arrogant attitude. Chill for a while.


It's uncivil when people ask you simple, straightforward questions and you respond with smarmy questions rather than straightforward answers. It's very uncivil of you to ask people to help you support your claim, then when they do, with little help or cooperation from you, you tell them they've built a strawman. You get pissy and demand they rework the problems because they didn't come out the way you liked. Then after they put in more effort, you spit on them by completely ignoring everything they've said and done for you. That's uncivil.

But frankly, Michael, we have come to expect that out of you. Some of us even find it mildly amusing when you waste hundreds of words throwing tantrums instead of actually addressing the pertinent, relevant questions. But of course you know as well as we that it's not moving your claim ahead.

You need to understand that everyone here is attacking your claims, your arguments, and what you mistakenly believe to be evidence. In response you get all bent out of shape and attack the individuals. That is uncivil. People get frustrated with your dishonest evasion, your intentional and dishonest misdirection, and your intentional and dishonest attempts to deflect the burden of proof. That dishonesty is uncivil.

Look, nobody here has any responsibility to prove anything to you. It's not a debate where everyone's position is equal going in. There isn't a single professional physicist on Earth who accepts what you claim as being even remotely possible much less remotely true. The standard solar model is well supported by general relativity, thermodynamics, helioseismology, and yes, every pixel of every piece of solar imagery that exists, false color, real color, running difference, white light or otherwise filtered. The fact that you don't understand most of it and refuse to accept the rest isn't a flaw in conventional solar physics. It's a flaw in your interpretation.

But your claim, that crackpot conjecture you've been trying for years to pass off as legitimate science, that's what this discussion is about. It's your job to make a case for your claim, freestanding and supported on its own. All that trying to poke holes in the standard solar model isn't supporting your claim. All your belittling, badgering, demanding, and taunting other people to explain things to you, things you don't seem to have the desire or ability to understand, is not supporting your claim.

Your claims, your arguments, and your evidence are open for attack here. It's a skeptics' forum. Your qualifications will be challenged, and when you are unable or unwilling to demonstrate that you are qualified, your qualifications will be challenged again. And when you lie, as you do when you say you're representing Birkeland's solar model, your lies will be noted. You won't get away with making up crap here, Michael. And there's nothing uncivil about pointing it out when you do. If you don't have thick enough skin to take the criticism and the scrutiny, if you can't take the heat for making claims about subjects you aren't qualified to speak on with any expertise, maybe this science business isn't for you.
 
Your conjecture is a crackpot conjecture.

You want civil conversation but you use the term "crackpot' in virtually each end every post? You're not only the biggest liar on the internet, you're also the biggest hypocrite as well.

Every scientific theory is judged based upon it's ability to accurately "predict' things. So far your mainstream theory seems about as useful as tit's on a bull" in terms of useful predictive capability. I've put forth a host of quantitative predictions related to the RD image and you ran away from them like dog with your tail between you legs.

If you cannot come up with some useful prediction related to solar physics, I really don't have time for you. Ante up some quantitative numbers or you aren't even in the game. Got numbers?
 
Actually Tim, the transit composite image has to come from SDO since it has everything already aligned and ready to do that job. I predict we'll find that same 4800Km gap in the iron on wavelength when aligned with the inside edge of the chromosphere.
 
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