Merged "Iron-rich spheres" - scienctific explanation?

grandmastershek said:
Of course Chris could contact the RJ Lee Group to let them know someone has forged a document claiming to be them. But then again that goes far beyond what the average truther is willing to do.
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Been asking him to do that for a long time!
 
DaveThomasNMSR said:
I'm confident that Wieck, who is a producer of televised shows, received the letter from none other than R. J. Lee.
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He received the letter from Steven Kennedy.

Dear Ron.

I attach a statement by Rich Lee in regards to the iron sphere issue.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8013472&postcount=1329

Oh yeah - one more thing.

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LOL

Several folks around here are mystified as I am
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So I noticed.

by your explanations of iron-rich microspheres. Can you explain again why the microspheres produced by rapid heating of tiny filaments or plates of ferric material should be carried "away", never to be found, while the microspheres produced by nanothermiteTM are not carried away, ending up in WTC dust as evidence of controlled demolition?
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The lighter the particle the further it will travel in the smoke before falling to the earth, and some will never be found. Like explosives, you can't find something if you don't look for it.

The iron spheres from thermite would be mixed up with the concrete, drywall, insulation and office contents as they were pulverized. In a thermitic reaction, the aluminum vaporizes and condenses into particles to small to be noticed in the dust.

Same goes for your new assertion that collapsing rubble always extinguishes fires.
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Strawman qualifier "always" noted.

Everything that was burning was pulverized along with everything else and thoroughly mixed, separating the fuel and spreading out the heat.
 
Christopher7 said:
In a thermitic reaction, the aluminum vaporizes and condenses into particles to small to be noticed in the dust.
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It's ******** statements like this that stop me from responding to C7 - it's impossible to get anywhere with someone who thinks this even though the studies of the dust prove otherwise. How else did RJ Lee etc find tiny particles in the first place? The RJ Lee report shows dozens of SEM photos of particles 10 microns and below. C7 doesn't know about the SEM data.

It's a nonsense. Just stop replying to him because you'll never get anywhere. C7 just makes it all up as he goes along in order to support his delusion.
 
DaveThomasNMSR said:
...Same goes for your new assertion that collapsing rubble always extinguishes fires.

Chris7, everyone here but you sees that you are just pulling things out of your assertions. ;)
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Christopher7 said:
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Strawman qualifier "always" noted....
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Earlier on JREF...
Christopher7 said:
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But that is a diversion from the reality that dropping tons of debris on a fire will put it out...
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You said "will". Not "may", not "can", not "will likely", not "will possibly", you made an absolute, unqualified statement. I'm not sure if you're backpedaling or if you honestly believe what you're spouting, but if you said something other than what you meant, it's no one's fault but yours.
 
Perhaps it has been already cited here on JREF, but not in this thread (I think): A guote from http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian2/wtc/eng-news-record.htm:

"...The contractor then grouted the socket from the bottom to a distance about 2 ft above rock with a mixture of high-early strength cement, water and fly ash. The required 3,000 psi concrete was usually obtained in 72 hours. The contractor could then stress the tendons." -- ENGINEERING NEWS RECORD, 31 October 1968.
 
Christopher7 said:
He received the letter from Steven Kennedy.

Dear Ron.

I attach a statement by Rich Lee in regards to the iron sphere issue.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8013472&postcount=1329
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It's called thre "Transitive Property," C7. If Steven Kennedy got the letter from his boss Rich Lee, and then Ron Wieck received it from Steven Kennedy, that's the same as "Wieck receiving the letter from none other than R. J. Lee."

Tricky, I know.

As for your other rantings, I simply look around the other posts on this page, and smile. "Nonsense Managed!"
 
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000063 said:
Okay, so the explosions...stopped the fires?

I'm no fireman, but I don't think that's physically likely. Tri, Lefty, you're on deck.
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It depends on what is burning.

If its a gas or liquid fuel, in theory it's possible, as you would remove the oxygen from the flame for a moment. It would need to be a pretty big boom though, as even after a flame goes out, heat would still remain, and could reignite a fire.

Now, if a couch or similar solid object, not likely at all. It would just re-locate the fire to a different area.
 
Christopher7 said:
You don't think superheated molten steel could stay hot for months but smoldering fires can.
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No. Not even a little bit, and that is almost a stupid statement.

A smoldering fire will continue to burn if there is a fuel, a heat source, and oxygen. Forever. And ever. As long as the 3 things in the fire triangle are maintained, it will literally burn forever. Until the end of time.

However, if you take a piece of metal, heat it to 3000 deg. F, and allow the heat source to be removed, it will cool very fast.

As an asside, the hotter a metal object is, the quicker it cools. Something about the laws of thermodynamics or something like that......:rolleyes:


Christopher7 said:
The superheated metal heated the dust around it, slowly igniting it dispersed combustibles which in turn created more heat that slowed the cooling of the molten metal.
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Wow, that's just assinine. Sorry.

Christopher7 said:
But that is a diversion from the reality that dropping tons of debris on a fire will put it out.
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Really? Prove it. Take a one acre hydrocarbon fire, and drop 100 tons of building materials on it, and tell me what happens.

I'll never correct you again if you do it, film it, and put it on youtube.

Christopher7 said:
Furthermore, pulverizing the burning material and mixing it with a lot on noncombustible spreads out the heat, lowering the temperature. Try throwing a lot of busted up concrete on a bonfire and mixing it up.
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I've done it. It just makes the rocks hot.

Imagine that. HotRocks......:rolleyes:

Perhaps you should stick to things you completely understand, like television shows or something.
 
DaveThomas said:
I'm confident that Wieck, who is a producer of televised shows, received the letter from none other than R. J. Lee.
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C7 said:
He received the letter from Steven Kennedy.
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DaveThomasNMSR said:
It's called thre "Transitive Property," C7. If Steven Kennedy got the letter from his boss Rich Lee, and then Ron Wieck received it from Steven Kennedy, that's the same as "Wieck receiving the letter from none other than R. J. Lee."

Tricky, I know.

As for your other rantings, I simply look around the other posts on this page, and smile. "Nonsense Managed!"
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I was wrong about that but you are not willing to admit when you are wrong. Your double talk is transparently false. Ron did NOT receive the letter from none other than RJ Lee, he received it from Steven Kennedy[someone other than RJ Lee] and there is no guarantee that the letter was written by RJ Lee. I doubt that it was written by RJ Lee because it is speculative and baseless.
 
Christopher7 said:
I was wrong about that but you are not willing to admit when you are wrong. Your double talk is transparently false. Ron did NOT receive the letter from none other than RJ Lee, he received it from Steven Kennedy[someone other than RJ Lee] and there is no guarantee that the letter was written by RJ Lee. I doubt that it was written by RJ Lee because it is speculative and baseless.
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You are now the Poster Child for denialism. "When confronted with evidence contradicting one's world view, simply deny the evidence's validity."

You are exhibiting Denier Tactic 1.0.

As I've already asked, Do you have evidence that the letter was forged? Spill it.
If you can't, you simply solidify your status as Denier of the Year.
 
C7 said:
The lighter the particle the further it will travel in the smoke before falling to the earth, and some will never be found. Like explosives, you can't find something if you don't look for it.
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carlitos said:
This one just gets funnier over time. Every time you see a penny on the ground and pick it up, you do the impossible. How can you troll with a straight face, saying nonsense like this?

And you've said it before. That time, it was a stundie finalist.
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Here's what I said:
C7 said:
Evidently, they did not look closely at the red/gray chips. They looked at the fibers and the iron spheres.

You can't find something if you don't look for it and they were not looking for thermite or nano-thermite.
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The Millette paper confirms that I was right. There are red/gray chips in the dust samples that the Harrit et al and Millette analyzed so they were in the dust samples that the RJ Lee Group analyzed. The RJ Lee Group was not concerned with them as a health hazard so they didn't comment on them.
 
Dave, don't respond to him anymore.
He now completely lacks the ability to respond in any meaningful way and process information.
Just put him on ignore and disregard him.
He's no better than the concrete core guy now.
 
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DaveThomasNMSR said:
You are now the Poster Child for denialism. "When confronted with evidence contradicting one's world view, simply deny the evidence's validity."

You are exhibiting Denier Tactic 1.0.
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You are talking about what everyone here does with evidence of explosions - they never ever mean explosives. And molten steel - they are all mistaken.

As I've already asked, Do you have evidence that the letter was forged? Spill it.
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Only the letter itself. Do you have any proof that it is authentic? i.e. a letter or email from RJ Lee himself.
 
Christopher7 said:
You are talking about what everyone here does with evidence of explosions - they never ever mean explosives. And molten steel - they are all mistaken.

Only the letter itself. Do you have any proof that it is authentic? i.e. a letter or email from RJ Lee himself.
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Other than the fact that it says RJ Lee on it?
 
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