Irish independence from the UK

[Airfix]

Corporations don't move their headquarters just anywhere. They need infrastructure, access to financial markets, access to capital markets and access to skilled employees and access to markets where their goods and services are sold.

But choosing where they pay their corporation tax counts.
And having a lower corporation tax than other countries, is attractive to some businesses.

Not saying it's morally right, but that's what's happening.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

But choosing where they pay their corporation tax counts.

And having a lower corporation tax than other countries, is attractive to some businesses.



Not saying it's morally right, but that's what's happening.

What you're describing is possible at the scale of small ventures like where your cargo ship is registered (although it is lax regulatory standards more than tax rates in that case).

Yes, segmented portions of corporate portfolios can take advantage in similar ways. But the "mother corp" level ones don't tend to set up shop on a strip of sand somewhere in Polynesia.

 

[Garrison]

And you're entitled to your opinion.

Well since you've basically admitted you know little to nothing about history of Ireland and don't understand how the North came to remain part of the UK I don't think you can really hope to refute that opinion.

 

[Airfix]

In the 1970's Northern Ireland was given a referendum and was given the option of uniting with the south.

98.9 percent voted to stay with the UK, turnout 58.7% not the best turnout.

I know some of the history, not enough I grant you, but some.
Mostly troubles era stuff, the massacre of the Miami Showband, Bloody Sunday, the Loughgall massacre, Enniskillen, the stuff most people have heard of.

And one of my teachers at high school was a Northern Irish chap, who in the aftermath of the Bloody Sunday massacre had been so angry he visited an IRA pub met with the IRA and considered joining up.

But that does not change the fact, there is a lot I do not know and do not understand and I will not pretend to be some font of all knowledge.

I don't get the Orange Order.
I don't get this obsession they have with the Battle of the Boyne.
I don't understand why they feel the need to bully Catholics.

I had hoped we could discuss things like adults.

 

[lomiller]

But choosing where they pay their corporation tax counts.
And having a lower corporation tax than other countries, is attractive to some businesses.

Not saying it's morally right, but that's what's happening.

It happens in the US all the time. A state will attract business from other states via tax breaks. It's a different story if you tried to get them to move to Mexico or even Canada. Their primary business is in the, so that's where they have to be.

Ireland attracting business within the EU is no different. You can run an EU based business from pretty much anywhere in the EU. Trying to run that same business outside the EU is much different as many UK businesses are currently discovering.

 

[Andy_Ross]

In the 1970's Northern Ireland was given a referendum and was given the option of uniting with the south.

98.9 percent voted to stay with the UK, turnout 58.7% not the best turnout.

I know some of the history, not enough I grant you, but some.
Mostly troubles era stuff, the massacre of the Miami Showband, Bloody Sunday, the Loughgall massacre, Enniskillen, the stuff most people have heard of.

And one of my teachers at high school was a Northern Irish chap, who in the aftermath of the Bloody Sunday massacre had been so angry he visited an IRA pub met with the IRA and considered joining up.

But that does not change the fact, there is a lot I do not know and do not understand and I will not pretend to be some font of all knowledge.

I don't get the Orange Order.
I don't get this obsession they have with the Battle of the Boyne.
I don't understand why they feel the need to bully Catholics.

I had hoped we could discuss things like adults.

Why not read a history book or two

 

[catsmate]

So let the Scots decide when they have it rather than impose it from England.
Maybe they should take a lead from the Irish, that would focus the attention of Westminster.

If the SNP wins a majority I'd recommend calling a referendum; the UKGov can either accept (and lose) or block it. In the latter case I'd suggest a UDI.

 

[catsmate]

Corporations don't move their headquarters just anywhere. They need infrastructure, access to financial markets, access to capital markets and access to skilled employees and access to markets where their goods and services are sold.

Joining the EU provided Ireland allowed Ireland to be part of one of the largest economies on the planet, access to employees with specialized experience and skillsets. Ireland was already a very well educated country before joining the EU but business require specialized experience on top of that. Freedom of movement within the EU allowed those people to move to Ireland along with the business.

It would also be a mistake to suggest Ireland only attracted businesses from elsewhere. Once the existence of business in an area creates the knowledge of how to run and grow a business. Once critical mass is of skills and services are achieved it becomes possible to grow new business in a way that was previously difficult.

Lower taxes and a well educated population may have given Ireland a competitive advantage within the EU for attracting and growing business but that would have mean nothing without being in the EU in the first place.

Yep. Education, fluency in English, and infrastructure. Hence the IFSC, the Digital Docklands (where I used to spend my days; I miss the restaurants ) and the rest.

 

[catsmate]

No, I am not denigrating your knowledge, I am denigrating your behaviour, your hubris, your prejudice and your racism.

Right.....
You attempt to dismiss a doctoral degree as "an award that shows you're proficient at using a library", demonstrating your utter cluelessness.

The you spout off utter bollocks about Anglo-Irish history, despite admitting that you don't "know all the details".

Then you have the temerity to attempt to compare Britain's act of economic suicide by Brexit with Irish independence.
Tell me kiddo, how many people did the Evil EU murder during the Brexit campaign?

 

[catsmate]

It happens in the US all the time. A state will attract business from other states via tax breaks. It's a different story if you tried to get them to move to Mexico or even Canada. Their primary business is in the, so that's where they have to be.

Ireland attracting business within the EU is no different. You can run an EU based business from pretty much anywhere in the EU. Trying to run that same business outside the EU is much different as many UK businesses are currently discovering.

It's a bit more complex; most large corporates with global operations split into three zones; EMEA (Europe, the Mid-East and Africa), APAC (Asia and the Pacific) and the Americas (with the rest bundled in to one of the three areas). Most EMEA headquarters are going to be in the EU, and Ireland is thus very attractive. Especially to US operations, given the language issue. Hence Microsoft, Apple, Google et cetera.

 

[Airfix]

If the SNP wins a majority

They may hold a referendum any time the Scottish Parliament wishes to.
And in accordance with international law, they may unilaterally break away and declare independence.

It is not for me, or you, to tell the Scots how to vote in such a scenario.

 

[Airfix]

Why not read a history book or two

Have done, just not on Eire (yet).

 

[The Don]

Have done, just not on Eire (yet).

Hard to believe that this wasn't deliberate........

 

[Airfix]

Not deliberate, it's just that most of my reading materials these days tend to be aviation based.
Studying aviation is an intensive subject, I'm a solo pilot working towards getting a cross country endorsement and an Sailplane Pilot's Licence.

There's only so much I can do at once.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Maybe find out the name of the country you are talking about could be one of the things you do.

 

[Garrison]

In the 1970's Northern Ireland was given a referendum and was given the option of uniting with the south.

98.9 percent voted to stay with the UK, turnout 58.7% not the best turnout.

I know some of the history, not enough I grant you, but some.
Mostly troubles era stuff, the massacre of the Miami Showband, Bloody Sunday, the Loughgall massacre, Enniskillen, the stuff most people have heard of.

And one of my teachers at high school was a Northern Irish chap, who in the aftermath of the Bloody Sunday massacre had been so angry he visited an IRA pub met with the IRA and considered joining up.

Basically you know bugger all of the history apart from a few incidents that get mentioned in news reports. Try looking up sectarianism in Ireland if you really are unwilling to go find a history book.

 

[GlennB]

Not deliberate, it's just that most of my reading materials these days tend to be aviation based.
Studying aviation is an intensive subject, I'm a solo pilot working towards getting a cross country endorsement and an Sailplane Pilot's Licence.

There's only so much I can do at once.

I should aim for less quantity but better quality, if I were you.

 

[catsmate]

Maybe find out the name of the country you are talking about could be one of the things you do.

For most people.....

Fun fact. About fifteen years ago I was working on a project with the UK FCO. They still spoke of "British Honduras".

 

[abaddon]

Right.....
You attempt to dismiss a doctoral degree as "an award that shows you're proficient at using a library", demonstrating your utter cluelessness.

Right, some clueless person trumps (haha) someone with subject matter expertise, or indeed those who have lived through British Imperialism as many of my own family did. Apparently, Airfix thinks we should have simply submitted and been good British subjects, cannot figure out why that might be wrong and is simply going to insist that it must be true. Because "Rule Britannia" or some such bollocks.

The you spout off utter bollocks about Anglo-Irish history, despite admitting that you don't "know all the details".

Yeah, right. Apparently, "I have no idea what happened, but here is what MUST have happened" counts as an actual argument.

Then you have the temerity to attempt to compare Britain's act of economic suicide by Brexit with Irish independence.
Tell me kiddo, how many people did the Evil EU murder during the Brexit campaign?

How many did they willfully kill in the famine? After all, at that time, we were exporting food to the UK while our own starved. There was plenty of food in Ireland, it simply all went to the UK. There was not a whole lot of choice in the matter.

 

[abaddon]

Have done, just not on Eire (yet).

It is called the Republic of Ireland.

We have democracy, you do not. And it appears that you don't want it.