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Iraq-What now?

Yeah, I was on the detail that took tanks down to Baghdad for the June 30th "Victory Parade".

Can you say Canine/Equine Extravaganza?
 
Yeah, I was on the detail that took tanks down to Baghdad for the June 30th "Victory Parade".
Can you say Canine/Equine Extravaganza?
Yes, although in maritime speak it is goat ffff rope. :D

Curious: Any word in theater of Col Reese getting his butt chewed for the release of that memo?

DR
 
Yeah, I was on the detail that took tanks down to Baghdad for the June 30th "Victory Parade".

Can you say Canine/Equine Extravaganza?
Yes, although in maritime speak it is goat ffff rope. :D

Curious: Any word in theater of Col Reese getting his butt chewed for the release of that memo?

DR

I seriously hope Reese gets chewed on some for that, if only for its politicization.

FHA: thanks for the reply, and I wouldn't doubt that the Iraqi military and police want to genuinely do the job on their own. They're the front line for the Iraqi government, which is in dire need of more heavy morale buy-in from the people. If they can get things stable and secure, the hope is that more Iraqis will come home from Jordan and elsewhere, which can hopefully help pick up the economy, education, and contribute to international legitimacy. They've got a lot of challenges settling interpersonal problems in-country first, though, and for that the military and police are going to need to put forth some tangible (and successful) effort.

Do you think they can do it? I'm of the opinion that they'll be able to eventually get there, provided Turkey and Iran can keep their hands off enough to let things simmer down on their own.
 
I seriously hope Reese gets chewed on some for that, if only for its politicization.

FHA: thanks for the reply, and I wouldn't doubt that the Iraqi military and police want to genuinely do the job on their own. They're the front line for the Iraqi government, which is in dire need of more heavy morale buy-in from the people. If they can get things stable and secure, the hope is that more Iraqis will come home from Jordan and elsewhere, which can hopefully help pick up the economy, education, and contribute to international legitimacy. They've got a lot of challenges settling interpersonal problems in-country first, though, and for that the military and police are going to need to put forth some tangible (and successful) effort.

Do you think they can do it? I'm of the opinion that they'll be able to eventually get there, provided Turkey and Iran can keep their hands off enough to let things simmer down on their own.
Here is an image that I'd like to offer, FHA can rebutt if I am out to lunch, since he is recent and my gut is about 4.5years old:

Let's look at the some of the Sunni tribes in Iraq as about 15% of the electorate in the US, who are Libertarian with a capital L, armed and bloody serious in their disdain of the central government. Then consider the Shia dissident groups as a fringe of the Greens, with about 8% of the electorate, guns a plenty, and with an attitude that won't quit and a score to settle.

Does that look hopeful to you? :confused:
 
but i think we can agree that a baathist victory would be the worst case scenario.

No. It would be a pretty good scenario. Anti-iran, anti islamic extreamism and anti kurd (helps with turkey). The arab nationalism side would be annoying but beyond that it doesn't have too many downsides.
 
Here is an image that I'd like to offer, FHA can rebutt if I am out to lunch, since he is recent and my gut is about 4.5years old:

Let's look at the some of the Sunni tribes in Iraq as about 15% of the electorate in the US, who are Libertarian with a capital L, armed and bloody serious in their disdain of the central government. Then consider the Shia dissident groups as a fringe of the Greens, with about 8% of the electorate, guns a plenty, and with an attitude that won't quit and a score to settle.

Does that look hopeful to you? :confused:

Well, the way you describe doesn't sound very hopeful at all. I think it does describe things close enough 4-5 years ago, but I also think that a lot of the situation 4-5 years ago had to do with outside influence, particularly from Saudi Arabia and Iran (who have some diametrically opposed factions running each respective country).
 
The Iraqis are old enough to manage their live themself.

The only reason this is dragging out so long is because nobody wants to take the blame for making the wrong decision. The truth is, it is a waste of time and money and lives, and we could be using those funds to create win-win situations, like building solar panels and other alternative energy sources that work in harmony with nature.
 
The only reason this is dragging out so long is because nobody wants to take the blame for making the wrong decision. The truth is, it is a waste of time and money and lives, and we could be using those funds to create win-win situations, like building solar panels and other alternative energy sources that work in harmony with nature.
Hi Jethro:

The point is not to spend that money, all of it by using a charge card, on something other than a war, the point is to stop spending that blood and treasure at all. See the difference?
( I still recall some pie in the sky estimate (from either Wolfowitz or Rummy), of the war costing about 15 billion all told. This a bit before the troops crossed into Iraq. )
 
Well, the way you describe doesn't sound very hopeful at all. I think it does describe things close enough 4-5 years ago, but I also think that a lot of the situation 4-5 years ago had to do with outside influence, particularly from Saudi Arabia and Iran (who have some diametrically opposed factions running each respective country).
OK, maybe I see the glass as half empty. Did you read the whole text of Col Reese's internal memo? While he admits his is a one sided look at the situation, he points specifically to the factions (to include Maliki's) who use attacks here and there to further their political aims, some against Americans and some against others.

If you'd like, I can email you the entire memo, it is a very interesting read.

For Foxhole Atheist: if you can find the time, and since you have a ground eye view of how things go, do you find Col Reese's memo to fit with your reality, or be off base? If you do not feel you can respond publicly (chain of command issues) feel free to PM me.

DR
 
From the ground I find it hard to look past the heat, stench, and the fact that we're all missing another deer season.

If in 2006 you would have told me the deadliest month in Iraq was yet to come I would have called you alarmist. Most of the Iraqi's I speak to obviously are talking to an American soldier so they may just be saying what I want to hear or are biased in some way. But most seem to have very mixed feelings about the American troop presence. On one hand they borderline support the actions of the militants (not all are terrorist and not all are insurgents but let's try not to play political word games) but they like the political security they have with the Americans around. Most Iraqis I have met were Sunni majority (give or take, depending on the area).

So it's a mixed bag. I don't see what we're really trying to accomplish. Humanitarian projects are big fat juicy targets and nothing messes up local relations quite like a massive number of casualties when we are trying to set them up with some infrastructure.

Our old terp often would say that Iraqi's are not fond of the levels of violence but they understand that it is necessary; they know how violent Iraqi's can be. Understand this is coming from a generation of folks that lived under a violent oppressive regime. We've lightened up quite a bit and the old sects that enjoyed enough public support to parade in the streets now stay home, the general population won't tolerate that, it draws in the Americans and when we hear of folks walking up and down the streets in RPGs and RPKs we get a little trigger happy.

Most Iraqi's we speak to know of at least a few fighters but many claim the majority are Syrian, Egyptian, Iranian or Saudi. The kids always seem to know when the ****'s about to hit the fan, if you see them scatter it's butt-pucker factor 8 already. So they clearly are not giving us the whole story.

One of the things I fear the most are RKG grenade attacks on convoys and most of the those seem to be coming from Iran. To see how fast they are check this out:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/146299/humvee_attacked_with_grenades/

The CAV's big problem last rotation was al-Sadr but he's gone into hiding and it seems that his political ambitions make him reluctant to whip out the Mahdi Army. From what I understand, can rise up in no time from the regular populace in very short notice if he gives out the order.

Whenever we hear of an attack it don't make any kind of sense to us. We're on our way out and if these cats would just chill out then their problems, at least with us, would go away. We roll down routes fine that 2 years ago would have been an RPG shooting gallery. So there has been progress but it's relative progress.

The Iraqis, much to my surprise, have actually been doing a decent job of locking down their own. I hope they keep up the good work and make good use of all the training and weapons systems that the Americans gave them. Maybe the June 30th pullout is more than symbolic. But I agree with Col. Reese: I do not see the point of having troops here in 2011. Just like in 2007 I wondered why we would be needed in 2009 and my buddies deploying now or in the near future, I don't know what they'll be doing. I think it's time to drawdown to below surge levels and maybe it's even time for more trust int he ISF.

Here's hoping.
 
Bottom line, we need to stay until it is clear that the government can support itself on its own and security can be maintained. If this cannot be accomplished, we are only hurting ourselves by leaving. Remember that little terrorist group called Al Qaede? You know, the one that killed thousands on our own soil by crashing jets into towers and a building? Yeah they are still around and it would be disastrous to let them gain a strong hold in Iraq.
 
Bottom line, we need to stay until it is clear that the government can support itself on its own and security can be maintained. If this cannot be accomplished, we are only hurting ourselves by leaving. Remember that little terrorist group called Al Qaede? You know, the one that killed thousands on our own soil by crashing jets into towers and a building? Yeah they are still around and it would be disastrous to let them gain a strong hold in Iraq.

From what I understand the local Islamic militias in Iraq and Al Qaida have severe theological differences and generally hate each other. I haven't even heard of any SIGACTs that were genuine AQI this rotation anyway but then again my AO historically has been freelance fighters and Jihadists.

It all hinges on the ISF and I believe they are eager to flex their muscles. My buddies down in Baghdad have been waiting for the call to roll out with them if there's someone ISF can't handle alone and it hasn't happened yet. It's still too soon to tell.

The ISF wants us out almost as much as AQI for some of the same reasons. I feel for them, I really do, if some foreign Army ever invaded the US, for any reason, you can bet I'd be out there causing trouble as well. ISF can handle it better than we can, they obviously have a better understanding of the locals and customs without relying on questionable terps.

Quad is absolutely correct that AQ is still around and it certainly is no time to drop our guard but I believe the best thing we can do now is to continue to train the Iraqi's to help them help us help them. The training they get is really top notch and the equipment is about 10 years behind us and about 20 ahead of the militants. My confidence in them has grown significantly since the June 30th Pullout.

I'll be home on leave in a few weeks. I can almost taste the Shiner and smell the mesquite now. See ya then DR!
 
From what I understand the local Islamic militias in Iraq and Al Qaida have severe theological differences and generally hate each other. I haven't even heard of any SIGACTs that were genuine AQI this rotation anyway but then again my AO historically has been freelance fighters and Jihadists.

Not to mention the fact that many of the AQI guys were coming in from Saudi Arabia and the Iraqis who were working with them began getting tired of being told how they had to behave more "righteously" (read: more brutal to their own people). It's still not yet a well-understood idea that many of groups who seem united in protesting of fighting the US military presence (or even the Iraqi government and security) don't all get along and would just as likely fight amongst themselves.
 
I'll be home on leave in a few weeks. I can almost taste the Shiner and smell the mesquite now. See ya then DR!
PM me, I will provide some contact info. I fully intend to ensure you at least a few beers and a steak dinner on me.

DR
 
Show-off.


I'm just complainin' cause I'm all the way over in D/FW.
 
Show-off.


I'm just complainin' cause I'm all the way over in D/FW.

I think he is from Kileen/Ft Hood area, about half way between us. Depending on your schedule/commitments, the drive may be a worthwhile one to take.

I drove up to Austin for the Marquis/Kate's "hey, we got married" fun and games, Kileen/Hood area is about an hour further north than that for me.

You interested?

DR
 
O/T:

I don't mind driving at all. Texas is big and all but not that big. DR, whereabouts are you at? I will be heading to Ft. Sam in San Antonio to talk to a graduating medic class and San Antonio is a great town too.

D/FW aint my kinda town but if you're willing to come down GreNMe my wife's a great cook.

Anyway,

I'll be traveling a little bit in the near future and hopefully I get to talk to some more Iraqi folks. We have new TTPs and engagement protocols that we're only just getting used to. We actually have to heed the ISF. In the past we just blew past them.

Everything's changing here. Units are turning in tactical vehicles left right and center for refitting and rail head back stateside. Day by day there are changes but out here it's a little hard to tell and even harder to guess what tomorrow will bring.

I'll report back if I hear anything new.
 
O/T:
I will be heading to Ft. Sam in San Antonio to talk to a graduating medic class and San Antonio is a great town too.
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I'll be traveling a little bit in the near future and hopefully I get to talk to some more Iraqi folks. We have new TTPs and engagement protocols that we're only just getting used to. We actually have to heed the ISF. In the past we just blew past them.

Everything's changing here. Units are turning in tactical vehicles left right and center for refitting and rail head back stateside. Day by day there are changes but out here it's a little hard to tell and even harder to guess what tomorrow will bring.

I'll report back if I hear anything new.
I'm south of I-10, will PM you, San Antonio is a great place. Keep in touch.

@ GrenMe: will keep you abreast of any plans, would love to meet you in a pub.

Glad to see the retrograde/hardware movement is beginning. WIth all the stuff pumped into that place, it will be a while to get it out. You guys turning any heavy equipment (earth movers, transports, big trailers) over to the Iraqis?

DR
 

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