Iran War in Prophecy

Davidjayjordan · Apr 17, 2007

dglas said:
There are no prophets here, Djj. Certainly not you.

Prophesy is wildly inefficient and wildly inaccurate. Fortunately, we have something whole orders of magnitude better - science. But science requires external referents, which doesn't suit your self-aggrandizing egotism.

Fortunately for real human beings living in the real world, we left you and your ilk in the dust hundreds of years ago. Your ilk had a long reign of stagnation, superstition, horror and death, but it's over now, and we are not going back. So, while you rant from the margins, with your sandals and your "End is Nigh" sign, the rest of us are getting on with the business of living, learning and growing.

We double life expectancies and you whine and rant about the end of the world. We improve standards of living and you whine and rant about the end of the world. We reduce mortality rates and you whine and rant about the end of the world. You are a hanger-on, riding on the generosity of the better world science has helped us create - because we chose to not be blown along helplessly on the winds of fate.

You are an example to us all, Djj. You show us precisely what happens when someone doesn't permit the real world to intrude on their fantasy realms. For this, I thank you, actually; never before has my point been so forcefully made as in the example you provide.

And now all you have to fall back on is contrived soundbites and haphazard slogans. You are neither profound, nor insightful. You are merely trivial and trite.

Calling my 'ilk' is name calling slander. You are being reported.

And yet surely shall be protected, we shall see. darat's wants proper discussions, obey the rules.

Davidjayjordan · Apr 17, 2007

joobz said:
This seems like a reasonable question. I would like to know the answer to this as well.

Unlike you know it all's, who get overnight revelations, the Lord works precept by precept, principle by principle, step by step.

It's a building, a construction, little by little to establish a complete and strong framework, seasoned with erxperiences and confirmations and testings for strength etc.

So He gives a little at a time, and to me it was time line by time line, as I put them on-line on my website.

So I put the years when they were received on line,

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Davidjayjordan · Apr 17, 2007

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Davidjayjordan · Apr 17, 2007

Thanks for keeping prophecy comments on prophecy threads unlike other posters who continually harass me on sexual threads about prophecy. They feel attacking the messenger can stop the message.

Sex with sex.

Prophecy with prophecy unless it is sexual prophecy.

Athyrio · Apr 17, 2007

Davidjayjordan said:
Calling my 'ilk' is name calling slander. You are being reported.

Hey, relax.

Look at all the things you have called others here.

Is your memory that short?

jsfisher · Apr 17, 2007

Davidjayjordan said:
Calling my 'ilk' is name calling slander. You are being reported.

It is not slander if he can support his statements with evidence. Why don't you ask him what evidence he has of you ever lying or providing false prophecies? He'll probably be stumped by that.

And yet surely shall be protected, we shall see. darat's wants proper discussions, obey the rules.

You have attributed a lot of intent to recent moderator actions, here. What evidence do you have of your claims, beyond, of course, your own wild speculative fantasies?

Athyrio · Apr 17, 2007

Davidjayjordan said:
Unlike you know it all's, who get overnight revelations, the Lord works precept by precept, principle by principle, step by step.

It's a building, a construction, little by little to establish a complete and strong framework, seasoned with erxperiences and confirmations and testings for strength etc.

So He gives a little at a time, and to me it was time line by time line, as I put them on-line on my website.

So I put the years when they were received on line,

What a total cop-out.

This thread should now be split to the Humor Forum.

Because there is not a Pathetic Forum.

Davidjayjordan · Apr 17, 2007

But Bjorn, you can get a prophecy revelation to start you off in one night and it will be twice as much as the none you have gotten so far.

Just pray, study and research and begin.

Davidjayjordan · Apr 17, 2007

Björn Toulouse said:
Hey, relax.

Look at all the things you have called others here.

Is your memory that short?

My ilk or the wording of the new accuser was 'your ilk' suggesting I represent all churchies or all prophets, false and true.

No I represent me and me only.

WE have to discern between true prophecies and false peace and safety prophets, and between true skeptics and false skeptics, and between true moderation and false moderation, and between true truth seekers and false seekers, those that are truly intellectual and honestly seeking for answers and those that are not.

And now you will resot to more name calling as you have no answers, no prophecy except the status quo.

Davidjayjordan · Apr 17, 2007

You see guys and gals if you can start your name calling and I sum up your actions with another name, then you can stop this thread and stop thinking logically about this thread and the future.

Its a ploy to stop you from thiking to attackm the messenger so you don;t have to think about the message.

THINK about the message.

There will be a war in Iran, there will be more earthquakes, there will be plagues, and there will be a COVENANT by 2009.

Hokulele · Apr 17, 2007

Davidjayjordan said:
My ilk or the wording of the new accuser was 'your ilk' suggesting I represent all churchies or all prophets, false and true.

No I represent me and me only.

WE have to discern between true prophecies and false peace and safety prophets, and between true skeptics and false skeptics, and between true moderation and false moderation, and between true truth seekers and false seekers, those that are truly intellectual and honestly seeking for answers and those that are not.

And now you will resot to more name calling as you have no answers, no prophecy except the status quo.

This is completely missing the fact that you had a prophecy in this very thread stating that the British soldiers would trigger a war with Iran. This was proven to be wrong. What does the bible have to say about false prophecy?

"But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." Deut. 18:20-22

Athyrio · Apr 17, 2007

Davidjayjordan said:
My ilk or the wording of the new accuser was 'your ilk' suggesting I represent all churchies or all prophets, false and true.

No I represent me and me only.

Like i said - is your memory that short?

You have persistently labeled everyone here falsely.

Davidjayjordan · Apr 17, 2007

brethren and not those that are not....

Eze 12:21¶And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

Eze 12:22Son of man, what [is] that proverb [that] ye have in the land of Israel, saying, The days are prolonged, and every vision faileth?

Eze 12:23Tell them therefore, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will make this proverb to cease, and they shall no more use it as a proverb in Israel; but say unto them, The days are at hand, and the effect of every vision.

Eze 12:24For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel.

Davidjayjordan · Apr 17, 2007

Björn Toulouse said:
Like i said - is your memory that short?

You have persistently labeled everyone here falsely.

And you have persistently slandered my good name falsely over and over and voer again without anything being siad to you by anyone.

You think it is a joke and good fun, as you don;t want to concentrate on prophecy but on mob mentality.

As Darat stated attack the message not the messenger.

You can begin NOW.

Davidjayjordan · Apr 17, 2007

Hokulele said:
This is completely missing the fact that you had a prophecy in this very thread stating that the British soldiers would trigger a war with Iran. This was proven to be wrong. What does the bible have to say about false prophecy?

"But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." Deut. 18:20-22

Yup I thought and was prepared that the British attempt to start the war by isolating its solder for capture would start the war. But it didn;t turn out that way, and yet that wasn;t a prophecy. My prophecy is that there will be an Iranian War. If you say NO, then that is your prophecy and we shall see who is right.

H. you have to decide and quite pointing fingers. You are the one responsible for your own life, not me. Prophecy is not a game of accussations but a serious study of the future by the one who DESIGNED HIS-story and the future.

If you differ, your choice. If I say war and you say peace. One of us is wrong.

I say war in iran and the excuse will come in His TIME.

But the Covenant has to be signed by 2009.

Kochanski · Apr 17, 2007

DJJ once again you are spouting words from a very old book written by men with no proof that it is from any divine source. We have no reason to believe any of it. So much in that musty old book is contradictory and quite hateful as well.

Why should we believe anything you say? We are not sheep and will not simply follow you because you quote a musty old book. You offer no proof and thus far your prophecy has been shown to be rather off.

Athyrio · Apr 17, 2007

Davidjayjordan said:
It's a building, a construction, little by little to establish a complete and strong framework, seasoned with erxperiences and confirmations and testings for strength etc.

So He gives a little at a time, and to me it was time line by time line, as I put them on-line on my website.

So I put the years when they were received on line...

There will be a war in Iran, there will be more earthquakes, there will be plagues, and there will be a COVENANT by 2009.

So the building is finally complete now. All of those previous dates were just part of the "building blocks", even though you failed to note that to others when you posted them at the time; you just let everyone think that was the final product.

There might be a war with USA v Iran. Why not? But it isn't predicted in the Bible. The voices told you that. Of course there will be more earthquakes - there are always earthquakes. Plagues- i have an idea that is a subjective topic on your part.

Covenant in 2009 - total NAHHH ! Reason: your own history of failed predictions.

Hokulele · Apr 17, 2007

Davidjayjordan said:
Yup I thought and was prepared that the British attempt to start the war by isolating its solder for capture would start the war. But it didn;t turn out that way, and yet that wasn;t a prophecy. My prophecy is that there will be an Iranian War. If you say NO, then that is your prophecy and we shall see who is right.

H. you have to decide and quite pointing fingers. You are the one responsible for your own life, not me. Prophecy is not a game of accussations but a serious study of the future by the one who DESIGNED HIS-story and the future.

If you differ, your choice. If I say war and you say peace. One of us is wrong.

I say war in iran and the excuse will come in His TIME.

But the Covenant has to be signed by 2009.

OK, I choose peace and no Covenant in 2009. If I am right, I will be happy to label you a false prophet on this very board in 3 years. The question is, will you be here to acknowledge this?

Athyrio · Apr 17, 2007

Davidjayjordan said:
And you have persistently slandered my good name falsely over and over and voer again without anything being siad to you by anyone.

Show me.

You lied repeatedly about your recent reason for suspension. That is a matter of record.

You owe apologies, Mr. Christian.

And your reason for failed prophecies is still a cheap cop-out.

dglas · Apr 17, 2007

Davidjayjordan said:
Calling my 'ilk' is name calling slander. You are being reported.

Be my guest. In fact, I insist you do so. If I don't hear anything from Darat (or another admin) in the next short while, I'll ask them about this myself. I request only that whatever actions an admin takes, they make it public.

Davidjayjordan said:
And yet surely shall be protected, we shall see. darat's wants proper discussions, obey the rules.

Your first sentence here has no subject.

You consistantly fail to address any of the issues anyone brings to your attention. Too inconvenient to be addressed, are they? Dang that external world for being so intrusive and disruptive of your fantasy realm.

The Failure of Prophesy as a Method
When it comes down to it, all you do is offer reams of fluff and nonsense with the conclusion, "We will see." But, and of course you consistantly fail to understand this, we simply reply, "We HAVE seen," to the nonsense that is prophesy. Prophesy, as a means to knowledge, has failed and failed and failed and failed. It has a consistant history of failure. It's only success is that it fails so predictably. See? I am addressing the issue.

Of course, Prophesy always points to the future, doesn't it, Djj? We'll never be able to verify it as true, because the future never arrives, does it, Djj? So you think you can claim anything and never have to accept responsibility for the claim, don't you, Djj? You think this makes you look transcendent and wise. It doesn't.

Efficacy vs Helplessness
The sad thing is, even if we were to accept what you say is true, it still offers us absolutely nothing. Do we then have a way in influencing this mass slaughter you so gleefully anticipate? Does it empower us in any way whatsoever? There is a choice to be made, Djj. That choice is between being efficacious agents, empowered with a methodology that allows us to act, or being pawns of prophesy, helplessly blown along on the winds of fate. That, Djj, is the heart of the matter (just in case you didn't notice). Science and verificationism empowers us, provides choices and options and the potential to influence results; it gives us, in a word - efficacy. Your way of thinking offers us nothing, but superstition, stagnation, terror and helplessness. There I go again; addressing the issue.

Intuitionism and its Ilk
Your way of thinking is not new or profound, Djj. Intuitionism is age-old and has been put paid to pretty forcefully by verificationism. Verificationism puts paid to intuitionism in countless ways on a daily basis. Making claims that are neither verifiable nor refutable has been done so many times before it evokes little but a yawn nowadays - and rightfully so. We have better ways of thinking now. Ways of thinking whole orders of magnitude more effective and empowering - based on reference to external referents, less subject to the randomness of personal (shall we say) interpretation. Oops! Did I address the issue again?

Walk the Walk
Your dirty, little contradictions are showing, Djj. You are only too happy to use modern technology (technology science has provided us) to push your fluffy nonsense. God reveals to You so that You can post his word on a website - the very idea is ludicrous in the extreme and thoroughly laughable. Why don't You just use prayer and Your prophetic Jedi mind powers to make us all "understand" Your glory? The answer, I suspect, is fairly obvious...

A Plan for the Future
I have a recommendation for you, Djj. Look both ways before you cross the street, because two thousand+ pounds of onrushing plastic and steel doesn't give a flying how you feel about being run over. That's reality. The external world WILL impose itself upon you, whether you like it or not, just as it imposes itself on me and everyone else. There are two ways one can try to deal with it. One can try take it into account, or one can try to wish it away.

Honestly, who do you imagine will fall for your little game?

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