Iran War in Prophecy

[Davidjayjordan]

Yes, like yourself, he made a prophecy that failed to come true.


Why? The US has deployed carrier task forces during international crises many times in the past without going to war. These task forces are capable of very long deployments as well. Why does their presence require quick engagement?

Eventually you have to pay the piper, and having all these forces in the gulf as a so called show of force... is diffcult to stay in place because of the economics of it all, the re-supplying etc. etc. They have to do what they have come to do.... start a war.

Wars make the rich military suppliers wealthier, and wealthier. The Iraq war has cost the American people something like 380 billion dollars in trying to destroy a whole country, and that money was paid mainly to the military contractors, and the Illumintai non-brethren make most of it. Wealth means power and so that more wealth and more dependancy on war as a means of keeping their number one industry going, they have to have another war. Study economics and warfare.

It takes time to assemble the forces to go to war. The ground forces are next door, and so all that is needed is the air force to drop the bombs on Iranian targets. Their exucse for using nuclear ones will be that it takes nuclear ones to get down deep wheere the Iranians have put their laboratories, storage etc... and BOOM we have a war with all the excuses in place as the forces are already in place.

Foster how can you be so NAIVE about such placements. Has false skepticism totally dissolved your common sense. Study history and human nature, and economics... then get back to us. Thanks

 

[Davidjayjordan]

The way you jump to conclusions you really should wear a helmet. I defy you to point to one example of someone on this thread confirming any of the accusations you've made in the above quote.

Then Foster tell us all, whether you believe the Warren Report. Or will you evade the issue and say you don't know. Come on have some balls, make a decision. Do you believe in the magic bullet or NOT. Would a government really kill its own and not just others outside its boundaries. When you find this out, then you will understand about conspiracies. Sometimes a group will sacrifice one or many of their own for their greater goals and then blame that killing or killings on the other side.

Foster we have to get you from being so naive and dumb.

 

[Athyrio]

YES, the Prince of the Covenant does come up with a comprehensive PEACE PLAN that stops the Iranian War, the Palestinian war as they have no homeland, and gives a military, economic, religious solution that brings temporary peace to the whole world.

THis COVENANT though is short lived as the AC arises and is against the Covenant, because America still goes on with its war despite the agreements.

He breaks the Covenant completely in order to stop America who is starting war after war after war..... to bring HIS PEACE to the whole world via His leadership thru a ONE world government.

This is not in the scripture so it is DJJ speculation, and we are all too familiar with the accuracy of those speculations. Actually DJJ might serve some use as a reverse barometer.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

You can not stop the Iranian War, you can not stop the COVENANT being signed

So again you've changed your prophecy. (There's a surprise.) You started off saying war in Iran was certain:

They want to hear smmoth things, deceits, lies not the truth that there shall be an Iranian War... it is a given... a no brainer, and yet they deny the obvious and the rational for they have eyes to see, and SEE NOT.

You call me naive in working for peace in the actual real world where actual real people are killed, raped, maimed and impoverished by war, yet your take on current political affairs comes from writings that are thousands of years old.

So since the Prince of Peace is the only agency for peace, you can sit on your hands and play silly religious games and hope for war to fulfill your ridiculous prophecies. You must believe your god is a real sicko to prefer that sort of behavior to working for peace.

....even if you think you are Joe the Juggler.

What the hell does that mean? I'm not so famous that someone would try to impersonate me.

You are a childish, babbling, delusional lunatic.

 

[Hokulele]

YES, the Prince of the Covenant does come up with a comprehensive PEACE PLAN that stops the Iranian War, the Palestinian war as they have no homeland, and gives a military, economic, religious solution that brings temporary peace to the whole world.

THis COVENANT though is short lived as the AC arises and is against the Covenant, because America still goes on with its war despite the agreements[SIZE=-1].[/SIZE]

(Bolding mine.) Not a very effective "Prince of Peas" is he? How can one claim to stop a war if the war is still going on? Add this to the extensive list of reasons why nobody on this thread believes anything you say.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Then Foster tell us all, whether you believe the Warren Report. Or will you evade the issue and say you don't know. Come on have some balls, make a decision. Do you believe in the magic bullet or NOT. Would a government really kill its own and not just others outside its boundaries. When you find this out, then you will understand about conspiracies. Sometimes a group will sacrifice one or many of their own for their greater goals and then blame that killing or killings on the other side.

Foster we have to get you from being so naive and dumb.

No, I doubt that the Warren Commission Report got it right. But I also strongly doubt that any of the popular conspiracy theories have got it right either. Unlike you, I am open to evidence. I am willing to change my position in the face of new evidence. I am not afraid to say "I don't know" and leave a matter open pending further evidence. Your assertion that everyone who criticizes your faulty claims must believe everything the "Big Bad Gubmint" tells them is ludicrous and, quite frankly, something you've pulled from your a** in an attempt to direct attention (ours and yours) away from the fatal flaws in your disorganized claims. You ask if I believe a government would kill its own. Ever heard of John Chivington? How about Joseph Stalin? Pol Pot? Idi Amin? You are a fool David. You have made claims that are riddled with errors. These errors have been repeatedly pointed out to you, yet you persistently refuse to acknowledge them. Even though the validity of your claims supposedly rides on the accuracy of these flawed calculations and erroneous "facts" you still maintain that your claims are self evident and undeniable. You have made a demonstrably false prophecy regarding the end times. You attempted to hide this failure by altering the dates involved. You continually accuse others of things that are based on absolutely no evidence. You claim to be learned in matters of science and history and often admonish us to educate ourselves in such subjects, yet you repeatedly make the most embarrassing errors that demonstrate your lack of knowledge in these fields of learning.

You can continue to call us naive and dumb if you like. In fact I'm sure you will because the alternative is to actually examine your own claims in the light of your own failures. But be assured, everyone else here is convinced that you are a fool, and we have evidence to support that assessment.

Why did you alter the dates of your end times prophecy David? If you can call me dumb for failing to accept your claims then I can call you an intellectual coward for ignoring this question.

 

[CapelDodger]

Excellent verse Bjorn even though you have to apply it correctly to give it meaning.

You wouldn't be so haughty as to appoint yourself arbiter of such correctness, would you? The verse warns you off such behaviour, I think rightly.

yes the haughty proud nationalists and patriots of the governments they love and worship shall FALL, when their countries FALL.

What about the haughty proud believers in false religion when their religions fall? The verse applies to anybody that gets above themselves. From the evidene I've seen, this means you.

They thought their countries would be around for ever, and so they started war after war, thinking no one could stop them.

Nor have they.

They said as Babylon the Whore kept saying, 'I sit a queen and shall see no sorrow.'

That's another way of saying "It's Morning in America", I guess.

But their PRIDE and HAUGHTY SPIRIT, that allows them to maim and kill others shall bring them down, as the Lord always brings justice...ALWAYS.

And when was this due again? Tell me it's not on a Glastonbury weekend.

Everyone and every country ALWAYS reaps what they personnally sow.

A country isn't a person. It's more of a container object. One might say that people are a property of a country, and war is a method (geek-speak ). Reaping is what people do. If some punishment is visited on a country it affects all the people, even those who sowed none of it. Thus they, as individuals, reap what they haven't sown. Bad form, IMO.

Thanks for the quote Bjorn, at least you are trying even though you haven;t learned to apply the Biblical truths yet.

There's that haughty and proud thing coming through again. You want to watch out for that, it can trip you up. I've always erred on the side of modesty and equivocation, which policy has served me well for over half a century. How old are you again?

 

[CapelDodger]

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To reasonable people they have just about everything to do with such matters. This was supposed to be a flash point. The flash point is out. Dead. It's over. Nothing is coming of this. Nada. Zip. End of story. Now, if you are a CT type and buy that kind of crap then there is likely nothing I can do to convince you otherwise. If you are not speaking about prophesy then you really need to take this to the CT forum.

Let's recall the point I've been making : that a prophet can and will wriggle about with hindsight, so talk of his failure so soon is premature. "Flash-point" is media-speak, history doesn't actually work that way. Wars don't start because somebody loses their temper, except on a very local scale. This incident is still reverberating through the UK media if nowhere else, doubtless all sorts of stuff in blogworld, a few years down the line you can attach significance to all the Google hits it gets.

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I'm really at a loss as to how you are putting these two incidents together. I realize you are not happy with the situation with the detainees and you most certainly have every right to criticize the United States. I'll join you on that but I don't see a reason to make something more out of this than is warranted. The fact that Americans are detaining prisoners during a war regardless of why is no reason to make any such links.

These are Iranian citizens given diplomatic recognition by the sovereign democratic government of Iraq taken prisoner and held incommunicado by the US inside Iraq, despite the protests of the Iraqi government ... How is this not going to feature in the prelude to a US-Iran war? It's kind of a sore point. Naturally comparisons will be made with the hysteria over white Christians held for a couple of weeks, especially by Iranians.

If you want to start a thread in the CT forum or Politics I promise to respond. Otherwise your points are just saying that CT or Religious nuts can find justification for their lunacy. Well duh!

That is what I've always been saying. Declarations of disproven prophecy require cast-iron proof. In this particular case, I think they're premature. Only when the practical possibility of a US-Iran War is gone would I declare this one disproven. I'll expect to see carrier-groups moving away from the scene (nothing to see here, folks ...) before I'm convinced of that.

The world situation is very hard to read a the moment, but I reckon if there's no attack on Iran before November of this year there won't be a US-Iran War. Ever. I wouldn't stake my reputation on it, but I'd venture a pound of credibility .

 

[Davidjayjordan]

No, I doubt that the Warren Commission Report got it right. But I also strongly doubt that any of the popular conspiracy theories have got it right either. Unlike you, I am open to evidence. I am willing to change my position in the face of new evidence. I am not afraid to say "I don't know" and leave a matter open pending further evidence. Your assertion that everyone who criticizes your faulty claims must believe everything the "Big Bad Gubmint" tells them is ludicrous and, quite frankly, something you've pulled from your a** in an attempt to direct attention (ours and yours) away from the fatal flaws in your disorganized claims. You ask if I believe a government would kill its own. Ever heard of John Chivington? How about Joseph Stalin? Pol Pot? Idi Amin? You are a fool David. .

No Foster you are a fool for not figuring out that the governments are the great conspirators and so you go along with thae false skepticvs that still want more and more evidence spoon fed to them. This is why you are cowards and spineless and will always side with the majority and the band wagon. You just lack courage and guts.

You have go along with the Warren report and any magic bullet explanation of the government take on things because you are afraid to go against the grain.

Cowardly is ther best description for false skeptics that never take a stand and always say they haven't got enough evidence. Even after years of confirmations that Kennedy wasn;t killed by Oswald.

But if you figured it out, you would know that the rich elite called the Illuminati, the military corporations that profit from war, have and will kill to start wars and don;t care who dies as long as they gain power. understand this and you will be part way in understanding prophecy.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Let's recall the point I've been making : that a prophet can and will wriggle about with hindsight, so talk of his failure so soon is premature. "Flash-point" is media-speak, history doesn't actually work that way. Wars don't start because somebody loses their temper, except on a very local scale. This incident is still reverberating through the UK media if nowhere else, doubtless all sorts of stuff in blogworld, a few years down the line you can attach significance to all the Google hits it gets.



These are Iranian citizens given diplomatic recognition by the sovereign democratic government of Iraq taken prisoner and held incommunicado by the US inside Iraq, despite the protests of the Iraqi government ... How is this not going to feature in the prelude to a US-Iran war? It's kind of a sore point. Naturally comparisons will be made with the hysteria over white Christians held for a couple of weeks, especially by Iranians.



That is what I've always been saying. Declarations of disproven prophecy require cast-iron proof. In this particular case, I think they're premature. Only when the practical possibility of a US-Iran War is gone would I declare this one disproven. I'll expect to see carrier-groups moving away from the scene (nothing to see here, folks ...) before I'm convinced of that.

The world situation is very hard to read a the moment, but I reckon if there's no attack on Iran before November of this year there won't be a US-Iran War. Ever. I wouldn't stake my reputation on it, but I'd venture a pound of credibility .

Dodger, you at least admit you are speculating, so I will not deem your specualtions prophecy or false prophecies of peace and safety.

For at least you are trying to sort out what's going on which is better than most.

But again consider the econmics of supply and timing in keeping troops and ships in place. For Yes, it might be as late as November when they start their war in Iran.

Most wars are started in the fall rather than inthe spring and summer in the Mid East. ground troops don't do well in the heat, and neither do planes and tanks etc...

But Bible prophecy or mine if you like.... shows that there will be a COVENANT, I saying that it gets signed nopt by nine coutnries but by ten.

It allows the building of the 3rd Jewish temple. These events can not be faked or evaded.

And to have a COVENANT, a cruisis has to happen to make all parties come together and supposedly negotiate. Hence the Iran War, as that is the next one.

Israel needs to get rid of Syria as well, so look for connections there, and then all Muslim countries will have been attacked and almost neutralised... so the gretater NWO order can then bring in their man, the A.C.

 

[Paulhoff]

Israel needs to get rid of Syria as well, so look for connections there, and then all Muslim countries will have been attacked and almost neutralised... so the gretater NWO order can then bring in their man, the A.C.

You just don’t care how many innocent men, women and children get maimed or killed, do you, and you justify it in the name of a so-called god, you’re pathetic.

Paul

 

[Athyrio]

But again consider the econmics of supply and timing in keeping troops and ships in place. For Yes, it might be as late as November when they start their war in Iran.

Most wars are started in the fall rather than inthe spring and summer in the Mid East. ground troops don't do well in the heat, and neither do planes and tanks etc...

Yeah, carriers and summertime. Here's one from last year:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/010606iranstrike.htm


Remember, DJJ - you are not very good at this stuff. The only hope you have of getting it right is to repeat the same thing every day.

 

[edge]

The New Jerusalem is set and ready to be put down on this planet.
This is what has been shown to me.

No one knows the exact timelines of prophecy, except for one.
No one has earned that right except for one.

 

[Paulhoff]

The New Jerusalem is set and ready to be put down on this planet.
This is what has been shown to me.

No one knows the exact timelines of prophecy, except for one.
No one has earned that right except for one.

So you contradict yourself……….

Paul

 

[Cosmo]

No one knows the exact timelines of prophecy, except for one.
No one has earned that right except for one.

It's the cookie monster, isn't it? He always knows exactly where the cookies are. It's gotta be the cookie monster.

 

[edge]

So you contradict yourself……….

Paul

Nope, I never told you when.

 

[Paulhoff]

The New Jerusalem is set and ready to be put down on this planet.
This is what has been shown to me.

Yes, maybe not the so-called date, but you said set and ready......

Paul

 

[Foster Zygote]

No Foster you are a fool for not figuring out that the governments are the great conspirators and so you go along with thae false skepticvs that still want more and more evidence spoon fed to them. This is why you are cowards and spineless and will always side with the majority and the band wagon. You just lack courage and guts.

You are putting words in my mouth. I don't say what you want me to so you just pretend that I did. I happen to agree with Kissinger when he said that crooked politicians give the other ten percent a bad name.

You have go along with the Warren report and any magic bullet explanation of the government take on things because you are afraid to go against the grain.

Did you not read where I stated that I don't buy the Warren Commission Report? Do you actually read anything? How can I be "afraid to go against the grain"? I'm an atheist for f*** sake! Last I checked atheists were not the status quo.

Cowardly is ther best description for false skeptics that never take a stand and always say they haven't got enough evidence.

I noticed that you edited my final question from the quote in your reply. Why won't you answer this simple question? Why did you alter the dates concerning your end times prophecy? I answered your question. You can't call me a coward because you didn't like the answer. Why won't you answer my question. Even if you said "I was wrong. I thought I had found something significant but it turned out that I was mistaken" I could respect that. Real skeptics say that all the time. But instead you ignore the question, apparently hoping it will go away.

Even after years of confirmations that Kennedy wasn;t killed by Oswald.

Now I defy you to find anywhere that I said Oswald killed Kennedy. You have no idea what my position on that matter is yet you assume, because you want to, that I maintain Oswald killed Kennedy. I am done with this issue. If you like you can start another thread in in the Conspiracy Theory forum.

But if you figured it out, you would know that the rich elite called the Illuminati, the military corporations that profit from war, have and will kill to start wars and don;t care who dies as long as they gain power. understand this and you will be part way in understanding prophecy.

I understand one thing about prophecy. I understand that your end times prophecy failed.

 

[edge]

It's the cookie monster, isn't it? He always knows exactly where the cookies are. It's gotta be the cookie monster.

Yes, yes it is.

As Edge turns away,
Oh brother.

 

[Athyrio]

The New Jerusalem is set and ready to be put down on this planet.
This is what has been shown to me.

No one knows the exact timelines of prophecy, except for one.
No one has earned that right except for one.

And that would be the Building Code Inspector?