Investigation w\ subpoena power

Perhaps it's a terminology issue. Fireproofing suggests immunity from the effects of fire. Maybe the word itself misleads. Although I would have thought it generally well understood that fireproof only extends to a thermal or temporal finite point, or both, perhaps that is not so well understood, and 911 conspiracy advocates think that fireproof is the same thing as superman being bulletproof.
 
So, in nearly 14 years none of the kooks have offered a better or more proven explanation of 911 than the one 'official' version.

Time they put it to bed and got lives.
 
Perhaps it's a terminology issue. Fireproofing suggests immunity from the effects of fire. Maybe the word itself misleads. Although I would have thought it generally well understood that fireproof only extends to a thermal or temporal finite point, or both, perhaps that is not so well understood, and 911 conspiracy advocates think that fireproof is the same thing as superman being bulletproof.

Yeah, it's almost as if this evidence and documentation requires knowledgeable interpretation in order to determine in what way it may be evidence related to 9/11.

Hence my question to Jango, which he refuses to answer. Let's say for the sake of argument that many classified documents do indeed exist, which pertained to the 9/11 Commission's work. Let's say further, hypothetically, that via FOIA requests or by subpoena those documents are declassified and made available. Who gets to interpret those documents knowledgeably in order to determine in what way they may be evidence related to 9/11?
 
So, in nearly 14 years none of the kooks have offered a better or more proven explanation of 911 than the one 'official' version.

Yeah, it's almost as if they would rather complain about how incompetent or corrupt all the other investigators are, instead of showing by their shining example, tenacity, and forthright honesty how the investigation into 9/11 should have been done.

Hence my question to Jango, which he refuses to answer. He claims there exist some number of classified documents that pertain to the 9/11 Commission, and he desires that they be declassified and released so that there will be "full transparency" into what may have informed their findings and recommendations. So it seems legitimate to ask what he has done, or what he knows others have done, to seek the declassification and release of the documents.
 
I humbly suggest that Jango et al, in drawing up a list of persons to serve on this committee, include the person known on online forums as Jay Utah.
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I humbly suggest that Jango is a no-claimer, since he makes no claims, runs away when confronted with actual evidence and can produce no evidence for his position at all. One could construe this as a personal attack, were one so inclined, but these are the facts on the ground, as evidenced by the activities of said poster.


The mods may ding me for stating it, but the evidence is right here and ignoring it is futile, and in any event is this forum not about challenging unevidenced claims?
 
I humbly suggest that Jango is a no-claimer, since he makes no claims, runs away when confronted with actual evidence and can produce no evidence for his position at all.

One doesn't have to personalize the argument to note that the argument denies consequent while stipulating all the relevant antecedents. That is, an argument that says it is not advocating a new investigation but all the while advocates the individual activities that comprise an investigation can be considered likely to have denied the consequent on the grounds that the consequent, by its name, is rhetorically problematic. Eschewing it forestalls being held accountable for it.

To illustrate, one may say, "No, I'm not asking you to make me a sandwich. I'm only asking you to go into the kitchen, collect some sliced meat and cheese and then some mustard, and pile it all on two slices of bread and bring it to me."

Similarly, to advocate that previously unavailable information should be sought out and disclosed, and that the implications of that information should be determined to see whether relevant conclusions can be drawn from it, or previous pertinent conclusions revised, is exactly to investigate. Jango has, in this and other threads, advocated these activities. He says he used to want a new investigation, but doesn't want one any longer. However, what he seems to want doesn't have much chance of escaping that label.
 
I humbly suggest that Jango et al, in drawing up a list of persons to serve on this committee, include the person known on online forums as Jay Utah.
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I appreciate the vote of confidence, but no Truther would consider me an independent investigator. Because I have vocally criticized their efforts in the past, they will consider me biased in favor of "the government."
 
I appreciate the vote of confidence, but no Truther would consider me an independent investigator. Because I have vocally criticized their efforts in the past, they will consider me biased in favor of "the government."

The former depends on whether or not the latter is true, eh? Are you biased?
 
1. Yes, I have made requests.

And the answer you received was ... ?

2. The Archivist & The Teacher.

I meant the names of actual people. Which specific human beings will interpret those documents for everyone?

The former depends on whether or not the latter is true, eh? Are you biased?

I said Truthers would consider me biased. Do you consider me biased?
 
And the answer you received was ... ?



I meant the names of actual people. Which specific human beings will interpret those documents for everyone?



I said Truthers would consider me biased. Do you consider me biased?

1. Some I got, some I'm still waiting for and some were denied.

2. I don't know who's responsible for upgrading everyone's intellectual framework on 9/11, so I don't know. I told you who'd be there for me, but I cannot speak for everyone, obviously.

3. Yes. Everyone is with one thing or another. But specifically regarding an investigation into 9/11 and for you to be an independent observer who doesn't tolerate being stonewalled or not given access to information you need to complete yer inquiry, to be honest, I don't know you well enough to make that sort of determination about you. You may have the spine and intestinal fortitude to press for what you need, but whether or not ideology would contaminate you is unknown to me.
 
I humbly suggest that Jango et al, in drawing up a list of persons to serve on this committee, include the person known on online forums as Jay Utah.
:)

Here's my Committee:

George W. Bush -- Chairman
Dick Cheney -- Vice Chairman
Donald Rumsfeld
Condoleezza Rice
Stephen Hadley
Michael Hayden
Kenneth Minihan
George Tenet
David Addington
Scooter Libby
Karl Rove
Andrew Card
Ari Fleischer
Paul Wolfowitz
John Ashcroft
Alberto Gonzalez

They'd be a good investigative team for 9/11, don't you think so?
 
1. Some I got...

And do they contain paradigm-shifting truths about 9/11?

...some I'm still waiting for and some were denied.

What reasons were given for the denials?

2. I don't know who's responsible for upgrading everyone's intellectual framework on 9/11, so I don't know.

Really? You don't know? You're doing FOIA requests, something few Americans even know how to do, much less would even contemplate doing unless they felt fairly passionately about something. And you're going onto online forums deliberately confronting people you think will oppose your point of view.

Clearly you believe you are the one responsible to do this. You are the "investigator" alluded to in this thread. Now justify that.

Yes. Everyone is with one thing or another.

Of course, The rest of your answer is reasonable but irrelevant. The point is that there exists no person with a character so impeccable that he can command respect and trust from people so ideologically opposed to each other as Truthers and their critics. Hence the notion that we should have an "independent" investigation of 9/11 is a non-starter for the reason you've just given, and with which I agree.

Bias, or rather, the notion of impartiality, is one of those curious personal traits that depends almost entirely on the judgment of others. A person is impartial only if everyone concerned with the matter at hand considers him impartial with respect to it.
 
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