Yes, and contrary to what you and others might believe, it is not meaningless to talk about this. So your argument here is really nothing more than a cop out. Otherwise it would be necessary to concede -- based upon the lack of evidence that is -- that the Universe has no origin and, is wholly contingent upon nothing.
Actually, this would only be relevant if Tricky had claimed that his father existed before the Big Bang. Which, of course, he hasn't.
Hey, I know my father did, existed before the Big Bang that is, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten my mother pregnant.
And yes, it is quite natural to seek the Father -- and hence meaning -- that you never knew.
In other words, you have nothing meaningful to offer so you're running away from the topic.Hey, I know my father did, existed before the Big Bang that is, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten my mother pregnant.
Then tell me, Iacchus. What came before the beginning? I mean The Beginning. If anything came before it, then it wasn't The Beginning, wouldn't you say?
How so? Because I decline to engage in a discussion of meaningless phrases? If so, then your refusal to discuss who created God is an equal cop-out.
That straw man is completely incorrect as has been explained to you numerous times. The universe had an origin, probably the Big Bang. It was The Beginning. If anything came before it, then the Big Bang was not The Beginning. Now if you have some evidence as to what existed before the Big Bang, then by all means trot it out. But you don't. Your brain seems incapable of grasping the point that "nothing" means no time since time is a thing. No time = no before.
Oooh, was that a flame? If so, it was its lameness was so immense that it was nearly unidentifiable as such. Please try again and this time, if I am not asking the impossible, show some wit.
Your mamma's a ho and you know it!
What came "before" the beginning of skyscrapers?
Which came first? God, the Reality or, the Reality of God?
And to suggest that something is meaningless is to suggest that it is baseless. So, you're going to have to do better than that.
Relative to what? The circumference of the point of a ball point pen? Or, the tip of an arrow perhaps?
Your mamma's a ho. My mamma's a ho. Everybody's mamma's a ho. This is why your reasoning sucks! And so does your mamma!
Yeah, and you folks sure like to throw around the word "meaning" as if it doesn't mean anything. Why is that?
False comparison. The correct analogy using skyscrapers would have to be "What skyscrapers were there before the beginning of skyscrapers?"
If God is a man-made concept, then reality came first.
No, that would be quite enough. "Before the beginning of time" is both meaningless and baseless. What more is there to talk about?
Actually, it's the notion of bastardizing the whole of existence -- which, in effect is all you folks seem to be able to come up with -- that bothers me. Indeed, it's a cop out, to suggest we have no business discussing what the laws of physics are ... or rather, how they got here.
End of discussion then, huh? How convenient.
Still don't see it, huh?
Oh, do you mean like, Was there a 'me' before the beginning of 'me?' Sorry, it doesn't fly.
I really am sorry, Iacchus, that you had such separation anxieties from your mother. I realize that it is difficult to be forced to stop breast-feeding at the tender age of twelve, but that is no reason to lash out at her, and by proxy, all mothers, in such vituperative fury. She probably really loved you anyway, in spite of your habit of farting in the bathtub and biting the bubbles.Your mamma's a ho and you know it!
Ha! Ha! Oh, that was hilarious, Iacchus. I haven't enjoyed a joke so much since the fourth grade. You probably giggle when you watch baseball and the announcer says how many balls the batter has.*Your mamma's a ho. My mamma's a ho. Everybody's mamma's a ho. This is why your reasoning sucks! And so does your mamma!
It is completely analogous to asking what happened before the Big Bang. Just answer the question: What skyscrapers were there before the beginning of skyscrapers?
That one will do fine too. Was there a you before the beginning of you?
And what would be the point?
Fair enough, I'll accept an answer for that one, too.
The absense of time is really an absense of reference points. So, once we establish a reference point in the here and now -- for example, it takes 24 hours for the earth to revolve around the sun -- then we can extend that reference point both forwards and backwards ... add infinitum.
No, the question is, Was there anything else before the beginning of me? Because if there wasn't, how did "me" come about?