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Merged Instinct & Immunity? / Innate immunity?

Kumar said:
Simply, it looks quite logical to me that when we loose nature we should also loose innate immunity.
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You think ? We are part of nature. If nature disappeared so would we ... We wouldn't be around to lose innate immunity or anything else for that matter. We can't lose nature but nature can lose us.
 
Tracy Dalziel said:
You think ? We are part of nature. If nature disappeared so would we ... We wouldn't be around to lose innate immunity or anything else for that matter. We can't lose nature but nature can lose us.
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Yes, it may happen on big bang.
 
"Niche

"a. A situation or activity specially suited to a person's interests, abilities, or nature: found her niche in life.
is held by regional magazines" (Brad Edmondson).
4. Ecology
a. The function or position of an organism or population within an ecological community.
b. The particular area within a habitat occupied by an organism."

Natural & unnatural to us: To which we have inharent sense of right & wrong and to which we don't have. Since unnatural to us, can cause confused or shocking effects, our body may not be able to process those normally or as pre-informes & pre-prepared.

Losing natural environmental factors or innate immunity is one thought, loosing stem cell niche, the other. Due to it, medical interventions & stem cell therapies are needed & popping up on big scale.
 
Kumar said:
Natural & unnatural to us: To which we have inharent sense of right & wrong and to which we don't have. Since unnatural to us, can cause confused or shocking effects, our body may not be able to process those normally or as pre-informes & pre-prepared.

Losing natural environmental factors or innate immunity is one thought, loosing stem cell niche, the other. Due to it, medical interventions & stem cell therapies are needed & popping up on big scale.
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No.
 
Kumar said:
"Niche

"a. A situation or activity specially suited to a person's interests, abilities, or nature: found her niche in life.
is held by regional magazines" (Brad Edmondson).
4. Ecology
a. The function or position of an organism or population within an ecological community.
b. The particular area within a habitat occupied by an organism."

Natural & unnatural to us: To which we have inharent sense of right & wrong and to which we don't have. Since unnatural to us, can cause confused or shocking effects, our body may not be able to process those normally or as pre-informes & pre-prepared.

Losing natural environmental factors or innate immunity is one thought, loosing stem cell niche, the other. Due to it, medical interventions & stem cell therapies are needed & popping up on big scale.
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We are NOT losing innate immunity. We do not need medical interventions more than ever, people are just greedy for life by nature, the lifespan is now greater than ever before, at least in developed nations. Something that is unnatural isn't necessarily harmful, likewise something that is natural isn't necessarily safe ; paracetamol and diazepam are very successful synthetic drugs that are safe when used correctly. Botulinum toxins are by weight the most toxic substances known and are perfectly natural
 
Tracy Dalziel said:
We are NOT losing innate immunity. We do not need medical interventions more than ever, people are just greedy for life by nature, the lifespan is now greater than ever before, at least in developed nations. Something that is unnatural isn't necessarily harmful, likewise something that is natural isn't necessarily safe ; paracetamol and diazepam are very successful synthetic drugs that are safe when used correctly. Botulinum toxins are by weight the most toxic substances known and are perfectly natural
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Can't say here, what is right in actual sense. Are we just gaining quantity at the cost of quality? Are we losing getting unnature at the cost of nature? Are we losing survival of fittest or better naural selection due to our interventions? Are we losing innate immunity & stem cells stimulations due to losing the nature & intincts? Only one thing is quite apperant that medical system is quite florishing whereas natural system is degrading.
 
PixyMisa said:
No.
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We previously discussed about stem cells...and floriishing of its threapies--yet scientific or not is a different aspect. Increased infections may also be relevant to weakening of innate immunity. Modern medical system is florishing---can be an indication of that odds are florishing.
 
Kumar said:
We previously discussed about stem cells...and floriishing of its threapies--yet scientific or not is a different aspect. Increased infections may also be relevant to weakening of innate immunity. Modern medical system is florishing---can be an indication of that odds are florishing.
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Increased rates of infection are due to the AIDS pandemic, more invasive surgery and the use of immunosuppressant/cytotoxic medication amongst other factors. Iatrogenic causes of weakened immunity are specific to the patient involved and won't cause total loss of immunity.
 
Kumar said:
We previously discussed about stem cells...and floriishing of its threapies--yet scientific or not is a different aspect. Increased infections may also be relevant to weakening of innate immunity. Modern medical system is florishing---can be an indication of that odds are florishing.
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No.
 
Tracy Dalziel said:
Increased rates of infection are due to the AIDS pandemic, more invasive surgery and the use of immunosuppressant/cytotoxic medication amongst other factors. Iatrogenic causes of weakened immunity are specific to the patient involved and won't cause total loss of immunity.
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If we try to understand innate immuninty & stem cell system, we can note that it is weakened but not lost.
 
RenaissanceBiker said:
Kumar, please don't wait until this thread reaches 12 pages before you tell us what primitive superstition or ancient philosophy you base these claims on. Go ahead and tell us now why you think these things. I'm not going to play guessing games with you anymore.
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Kumar said:
We previously discussed about stem cells...and floriishing of its threapies--yet scientific or not is a different aspect. Increased infections may also be relevant to weakening of innate immunity. Modern medical system is florishing---can be an indication of that odds are florishing.
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There you have it, RenaissanceBiker - it's Kumar's usual anti-medicine agenda.

He seems to object to it on the grounds that it allows people he describes as "unfits" to breed:
Kumar said:
Simply, whether today's prefered interventions are not effecting "surrvival of fittest" & propagating unfits to bring unfittness?
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Mojo said:
There you have it, RenaissanceBiker - it's Kumar's usual anti-medicine agenda.

He seems to object to it on the grounds that it allows people he describes as "unfits" to breed:
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No, I am simply skeptic in those aspects which haven't yet become A&F but exists in people at mass since long back esp. with least adversities. I feel I am absolutely justified in it.
 
Kumar said:
No, I am simply skeptic in those aspects which haven't yet become A&F but exists in people at mass since long back esp. with least adversities. I feel I am absolutely justified in it.
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Kumar, we have the evidence of your own words here. See above.
 
Mojo said:
Kumar, we have the evidence of your own words here. See above.
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I noted I was bit wrong due to overshoot .I meant:-

"No, I am simply skeptic in those aspects which haven't yet become A&F but exists in people at mass since long back esp. with least adversities. I feel I am absolutely justified in it. "

No, I am simply skeptic in those aspects which haven't yet become A&F but still exist in people at mass. I feel I am absolutely justified in it.
 
Kumar said:
Simply, it looks quite logical to me that when we loose nature we should also loose innate immunity.
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Tell that to your neutrophils and acute phase proteins.

You could keep a human in an entirely artificial environment and their liver would still produce C-reactive protein (CRP).
 
Kumar said:
Simply, it looks quite logical to me that when we loose nature we should also loose innate immunity.
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That seems quite illogical to me.

Kumar said:
No, I am simply skeptic in those aspects which haven't yet become A&F but exists in people at mass since long back esp. with least adversities. I feel I am absolutely justified in it.
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Is there a guide to these "A&F" type comments that Kumar uses? His english is bad enough without this additional confusion. I just need a list of what they mean.
 
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