Merged Instinct & Immunity? / Innate immunity?

[Kumar]

Chronic stress is definitely detrimental, yes. However, humans respond to different situations in an individual manner and what causes harmful stress in one person may be ideal conditions to another. The subject of stress is a large one and mostly outside my area of knowledge.

We can take stress issue as:-

1. Acute stress

2. Chronic Stress

3. Acute relaxed Condition

4. Chronic relaxed condition

I am not sure whether individual differences in stress taking is normal or disordered conditions(in view of link). One can be taken as strong when not getting stressed but he can also have compromised immunity, so not feeling stress.

Opposite condition to stress is relaxed conditions(related to para sympathetic conditions(PNS)). Acute relaxation could be beneficial but what about when a person prefer to remain chronically relaxed? Whether this also result into compromising/tolerance of PNS & immunity related to it esp. stem cell system?

 

[pakeha]

Glad to hear you left the blood-type diet, as there's no science at all to support it.

Of course you're right.
I felt really, really silly when I twigged.

... we can see many people who are not stressed from many stressors which are common to others. Somewhat they are less senstive. We take them as strong people. But fact may be different that, probably they have compromised immune system, so never get normally stressed. Probably, it may be an unhealthy odd & dangerous condition which most percieve as good health. OK??

I am not sure if chronic relaxation(opposite to chronic stress), also weaken or compromise immunity?

"probably they have compromised immune system, so never get normally stressed".
What do you mean by normally stressed? I have trouble understanding your point, Kumar.

We can take stress issue as:-

1. Acute stress

2. Chronic Stress

3. Acute relaxed Condition

4. Chronic relaxed condition

I am not sure whether individual differences in stress taking is normal or disordered conditions(in view of link). One can be taken as strong when not getting stressed but he can also have compromised immunity, so not feeling stress.

Opposite condition to stress is relaxed conditions(related to para sympathetic conditions(PNS)). Acute relaxation could be beneficial but what about when a person prefer to remain chronically relaxed? Whether this also result into compromising/tolerance of PNS & immunity related to it esp. stem cell system?

Are you claiming a relation beyween chronic relaxation and the stem cell system?
edited-I've tried Googling the term Chronic relaxed condition and can't find anything on the subject.
Could you give me a hand there, please?

 

[Kumar]

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"probably they have compromised immune system, so never get normally stressed".
What do you mean by normally stressed? I have trouble understanding your point, Kumar.

If you will read the link I provided, you should easily understand it. People, whose immune system is compromised due to chronic stress, may not feel heat of stress.

Are you claiming a relation beyween chronic relaxation and the stem cell system?
edited-I've tried Googling the term Chronic relaxed condition and can't find anything on the subject.
Could you give me a hand there, please?

Someone from stem cell therapy side told me that good sleep enhance stem cell stimulation.

I also couldn't find links on chronic relaxation. It should be obious that chronic/excessive relaxation(eg. excess sleep, excess rest,excess sedentary lifestyle etc.) should also have some impact on our system. But we have researched too much on STRESS but not on relaxation. Like actute & chronic stress there should also be acute & chronic relaxation(related to rest and digest--PNS).

 

[Sawbones79]

If you will read the link I provided, you should easily understand it. People, whose immune system is compromised due to chronic stress, may not feel heat of stress.




Someone from stem cell therapy side told me that good sleep enhance stem cell stimulation.

I also couldn't find links on chronic relaxation. It should be obious that chronic/excessive relaxation(eg. excess sleep, excess rest,excess sedentary lifestyle etc.) should also have some impact on our system. But we have researched too much on STRESS but not on relaxation. Like actute & chronic stress there should also be acute & chronic relaxation(related to rest and digest--PNS).

The immune system is hardly instrumental to experiencing feelings of stress, so I have to disagree with that hypothesis.
Also, "sendentary lifestyle" and "relaxation" are not synonymous. Lack of excercise is well known to cause health issues, but I wouldn't call that "excess relaxation".

 

[pakeha]

The immune system is hardly instrumental to experiencing feelings of stress, so I have to disagree with that hypothesis.
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That was my understanding as well.
I have the impression Kumar reversed the meaning of the text he cited.
The relation between stress and the immunological suystem is interesting (at least to me) so I'm going to Google about learn more.

If you will read the link I provided, you should easily understand it. People, whose immune system is compromised due to chronic stress, may not feel heat of stress....
Someone from stem cell therapy side told me that good sleep enhance stem cell stimulation.

I also couldn't find links on chronic relaxation. It should be obious that chronic/excessive relaxation(eg. excess sleep, excess rest,excess sedentary lifestyle etc.) should also have some impact on our system. But we have researched too much on STRESS but not on relaxation. Like actute & chronic stress there should also be acute & chronic relaxation(related to rest and digest--PNS).

Thanks for replying, Kumar.
Actually, I read and reread the article at the link you provided. While the author expressed the opinion chronic stress may compromise the immunological system, he didn't suggest the reverse is true.
This link is one of those on-line question and answer medical sites, so while it's, as you say, easy to understand, I can't help wondering if it's hardly the last word on the subject.
Do you have any links to actual studies on the subject? i find it very intersting and would like to learn more.

Perhaps you couldn't find links about chronic relaxation because it's a term you've used to translate roughly the negative conditions of one of the 'temperments' of Ayurvvedic philosophy?
In any case the conditions you describe sound more like the effects of a chronic anemia, infection or even malnutrition than 'relaxation'.
Off to Google.

 

[Kumar]

The immune system is hardly instrumental to experiencing feelings of stress, so I have to disagree with that hypothesis.

Sorry I meant that, immune system of those people is compromised as per that link, they may not feel stress even from normal stressors. You can find many people, who don't feel stress easily, so called as strong people. But I am suspecting that they may have compromised immune system as per that link.

Also, "sendentary lifestyle" and "relaxation" are not synonymous. Lack of excercise is well known to cause health issues, but I wouldn't call that "excess relaxation".

I am just trying to find opposite side of stress(if it is relax). Stress & relax are two attitude which one can get or follow. Stress side is well understood but what about its opposite side. Health impacts due to oversleeping & opting sedentary life style are indicated on internet. i can't say if these are opposite side of stress--over relaxation. And if its chronic side is studied or not alike chronic stress.

 

[Kumar]

That was my understanding as well.
I have the impression Kumar reversed the meaning of the text he cited.
The relation between stress and the immunological suystem is interesting (at least to me) so I'm going to Google about learn more.

I think my last post will awnser it.

Thanks for replying, Kumar.
Actually, I read and reread the article at the link you provided. While the author expressed the opinion chronic stress may compromise the immunological system, he didn't suggest the reverse is true.
This link is one of those on-line question and answer medical sites, so while it's, as you say, easy to understand, I can't help wondering if it's hardly the last word on the subject.
Do you have any links to actual studies on the subject? i find it very intersting and would like to learn more.

Perhaps you couldn't find links about chronic relaxation because it's a term you've used to translate roughly the negative conditions of one of the 'temperments' of Ayurvvedic philosophy?
In any case the conditions you describe sound more like the effects of a chronic anemia, infection or even malnutrition than 'relaxation'.
Off to Google.

Yes many time we can get something which is quite interesting & brain storming. I am also reading that link since last many years.

Alike it, following two articles, one about cancer science and other about iron withholding linked to survival benefit are equally interesting to me.

Oxygen, Sodium, and Cancer
http://ezinearticles.com/?Oxygen,-Sodium,-and-Cancer&id=2867740

Iron Loading and Disease Surveillance
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol5no3/weinberg.htm

 

[pakeha]

I think my last post will awnser it.





Yes many time we can get something which is quite interesting & brain storming. I am also reading that link since last many years.

Alike it, following two articles, one about cancer science and other about iron withholding linked to survival benefit are equally interesting to me.

Oxygen, Sodium, and Cancer
http://ezinearticles.com/?Oxygen,-Sodium,-and-Cancer&id=2867740

Iron Loading and Disease Surveillance
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol5no3/weinberg.htm

Actually, Kumar, your post didn't answer me.
And this post of yours I've quoted goes even farther off topic.
Weren't we posting about stress and its effects on the human immunological system?

 

[Kumar]

Actually, Kumar, your post didn't answer me.
And this post of yours I've quoted goes even farther off topic.
Weren't we posting about stress and its effects on the human immunological system?

Yes these were different issue but just equally interesting(as I mentioned). What was your question?