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Leumas said:
I am glade to see you so concerned to defend Christian apologists from being misrepresented... your concerns for Christian apologists are.. well... QED!!!
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Your reading comprehension continues to suffer. I did no such thing. And your continued misuse of "QED" is an amusing non sequitur.
 
Marcus said:
I wasn't aware that this subset of Christians was sometimes referred to as "Christian Apologists". I was thinking of something more along the lines of "fundamentalist".
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Christian fundamentalism...

Christian fundamentalism, also known as fundamental Christianity or fundamentalist Christianity, is a religious movement emphasizing biblical literalism. In its modern form, it began in the late 19th and early 20th centuries among British and American Protestants as a reaction to theological liberalism and cultural modernism. Fundamentalists argued that 19th-century modernist theologians had misunderstood or rejected certain doctrines, especially biblical inerrancy, which they considered the fundamentals of the Christian faith
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So when Christian Liars For Jesus (a.k.a. apologists) argue for their fairy tales being history or facts then they are in fact fundamentalists... although of course in holding the extolled and long cherished Christian tradition of lying and pretending and deceiving in the name of peddling Jesus, they might try to dissimulate and pretend that they are not what they are in order to better hawk for Jesus.

And in a way... any Christian who holds 1 Peter 3:15 to heart and acts upon it... is in fact a PEDDLER of Jesus anyways... and thus is an apologist for his fairy tales too.

  • 1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in you hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
 
This thread has little to do with the thread title.

"Infinity!!!"

It is actually just another in a boringly redundant long line of threads by the OP ripping Christians. Is there anyone on this forum who has not yet got the message that Leumas hates Christians?

ETA: "QED!!!"
 
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GDon said:
"Fundamentalist atheist" is used in two ways:

(1) An atheist who believes that Christians must read the Bible literally and believe that the Earth is 6000 years old. Anything else is "wishy washy" Christianity and is risible. You'll find those atheists often agreeing with fundamentalist Christians on what makes good theology.
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If one is going to legislate anti-abortion and oppress gays and others for not being biblical and thwart science and regress education and undermine democracy in the name of their fairy tales... then turn around and not hold the bible to its own standards then they are either insane or turpitudinous hypocrites.

Any atheist who expects christians to be not sordid hypocrites or not raving insane is just being hopeful that the fundamentals of sanity and decency and morality and rationality be at least respected instead of being wrung and warped to alleviate the christian chronic and acute Cognitive Dissonance throbbing pangs in order to be able to carry on holding onto their BLIND FAITH in nothing they can respect... as evinced by them not respecting it.


GDon said:
(2) An atheist who views the universe through the prism of Science. Not "science", but "SCIENCE!" Everything is Science. And anything that is not Science -- i.e. religion -- is not True. In fact, being religious is a sign of a mental disorder. It's a trademarking issue.
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Religion is not true... science only helped show that FACT.

"Seeing things through science" is literally what has enabled you to write the above and disseminate it for people to see through the Screens and Networks that science enabled and to be alive and sitting in a comfortable environment healthy and well fed to be able to afford the time to read your nonsense attacks on the thing that enabled your attacks on it to be seen.

And being religious is a mental disorder... believing in things that do not exist is called schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia is a serious mental disorder in which people interpret reality abnormally.
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Steve said:
This thread has little to do with the thread title.

"Infinity!!!"

It is actually just another in a boringly redundant long line of threads by the OP ripping Christians. Is there anyone on this forum who has not yet got the message that Leumas hates Christians?

ETA: "QED!!!"
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Thanks for your consternated concerns on behalf of Christian Apologists whom you tried to assert do not deny infinity... and you are still to contribute an iota of rational discourse in this thread instead of all your numerous posts that are nothing but red herrings and other fallacies.
 
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GDon said:
"Fundamentalist atheist" is used in two ways:

(1) An atheist who believes that Christians must read the Bible literally and believe that the Earth is 6000 years old. Anything else is "wishy washy" Christianity and is risible. You'll find those atheists often agreeing with fundamentalist Christians on what makes good theology.

(2) An atheist who views the universe through the prism of Science. Not "science", but "SCIENCE!" Everything is Science. And anything that is not Science -- i.e. religion -- is not True. In fact, being religious is a sign of a mental disorder. It's a trademarking issue.
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1) Christians don't have to read the bible literally (in my view) they just have to believe in Jesus (including the superpowers, not just a Jewish preacher)



2) I don't see belief in religion as a sign of a mental disorder necessarily, usually just gullibility. There can be exceptions though.



I guess that makes me a regular atheist rather than a fundamentalist atheist.


Definitely not a so-called atheist, I have no hidden belief in Sky Daddy.
 
Marcus said:
Most Christians don't seem to do well with large numbers, much less infinity. Admitting that our planet is hopelessly insignificant in terms of both space and time goes against the dogma that humans are supremely important in the universe.
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How one deals with large numbers, and having any specific opinion or belief re 'infinity' is a rather bizarre way to differentiate people. I would say most folks like to ponder infinity as a brain teaser \ mind blower - and just about everybody has problems with very big and very small numbers.
Now, if we were to survey people - who thinks that infinity is a real thing - I'd think that believers in a God would generally think Infinity exists and is real, and atheists (who demand evidence and measurement) would suggest that infinity is a mathematical concept. Infinity is Woo
 
LarryS said:
How one deals with large numbers, and having any specific opinion or belief re 'infinity' is a rather bizarre way to differentiate people. I would say most folks like to ponder infinity as a brain teaser \ mind blower - and just about everybody has problems with very big and very small numbers.
Now, if we were to survey people - who thinks that infinity is a real thing - I'd think that believers in a God would generally think Infinity exists and is real, and atheists (who demand evidence and measurement) would suggest that infinity is a mathematical concept. Infinity is Woo
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Unfortunately for your survey there are facts that will render it useless... as evinced by

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In defense of the Kalam Cosmological Argument, apologists such as William Lane Craig, Frank Turek, and myself will argue for the second premise (i.e that the universe had a beginning to its existence) by arguing that an actually infinite number of things are impossible.
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and this

One of the common claims which is utilized in arguments for the existence of God is that actual infinities cannot exist, implying that there cannot be an infinite regress of causal events in the history of the universe. If there cannot be such an infinite regress, then there must be some First Cause. Theologians then put forth other arguments attempting to show that this First Cause must be God. Blake Giunta, a Christian apologist,
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And this

In defense of the Kalam Cosmological Argument, apologists such as William Lane Craig, Frank Turek, and myself will argue for the second premise (i.e that the universe had a beginning to its existence) by arguing that an actually infinite number of things are impossible.
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And here have a look how wrong the survey results you anticipate are...


And Temporal finitism

Temporal finitism is the doctrine that time is finite in the past. The philosophy of Aristotle, expressed in such works as his Physics, held that although space was finite, with only void existing beyond the outermost sphere of the heavens, time was infinite. This caused problems for mediaeval Islamic, Jewish, and Christian philosophers who, primarily creationist, were unable to reconcile the Aristotelian conception of the eternal with the Genesis creation narrative
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Do you know what a "potential infinity" is and what an "actual infinity" is and what is the difference if you think there is one and can define either?

Here is Craig denying the "actual infinite" exists



And here he denies it again

 
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LarryS said:
How one deals with large numbers, and having any specific opinion or belief re 'infinity' is a rather bizarre way to differentiate people. I would say most folks like to ponder infinity as a brain teaser \ mind blower - and just about everybody has problems with very big and very small numbers.
Now, if we were to survey people - who thinks that infinity is a real thing - I'd think that believers in a God would generally think Infinity exists and is real, and atheists (who demand evidence and measurement) would suggest that infinity is a mathematical concept. Infinity is Woo
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I would say that god believers have a very hard time with large numbers ( the universe is billions of years old, and billions of light years across). Even if they are prepared to accept that the 6000 year old figure for the age of the universe is false, they have a hard time wrapping their heads around the 14.5 billion years figure, the ancient goat herders who wrote the bible certainly had no room in their heads for this. As for the concept of infinity, it depends on context. If you were to say "God is infinite in his wisdom" or "God has existed for an infinite time" you would get agreement. Infinity is actually a mathematical concept though. Generally speaking, atheists are scientifically literate and understand it, theists are just confused.
 
It would seem someone who is absolutely and vehement confuses "infinity" (the mathematical construct), "the infinite" (physical distance) and "the infinite" (theological concept) needs some lessons in comprehension more than anything else. Punctuating these soapbox pronunciations with a strident "QED!!", as though that settles all arguments, indicates an ongoing failure to step back and rethink in the face of actual evidence laid at their feet.

It's either a mania, or some sort of attempt at provocation... Or is it ChatGPT?
 
Marcus said:
I guess that makes me a regular atheist rather than a fundamentalist atheist.
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I don't think anyone on this board fits the bill of "fundamentalist atheist", not even Leumas. Though posters like Leumas occupy an equivalent niche to the Christian ranting on Christian boards about who his fellow Christians who don't believe in the same things he does are actually atheists underneath it all, or worse. It's amusing, but also a little sad.
 
GDon said:
I don't think anyone on this board fits the bill of "fundamentalist atheist", not even Leumas. Though posters like Leumas occupy an equivalent niche to the Christian ranting on Christian boards about who his fellow Christians who don't believe in the same things he does are actually atheists underneath it all, or worse. It's amusing, but also a little sad.
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Tell me what kind of Christian is the equivalent for your kind of "atheist" who believes in Imbecilic Design and hopes the DiscoveryHoodwinking Institute For Peddling Jesus will one day prove Evolution to be false?
 
Norman Alexander said:
It would seem someone who is absolutely and vehement confuses "infinity" (the mathematical construct), "the infinite" (physical distance) and "the infinite" (theological concept) needs some lessons in comprehension more than anything else. Punctuating these soapbox pronunciations with a strident "QED!!", as though that settles all arguments, indicates an ongoing failure to step back and rethink in the face of actual evidence laid at their feet.

It's either a mania, or some sort of attempt at provocation... Or is it ChatGPT?
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You are back doing QUACKERY Psychoanalysis on internet forums and accusing members of the forum of your Quack psychoanalysis slander all in defense of Christian Apologists.... amazing.... but thanks for the QED!!!




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GDon said:
... an equivalent niche to the Christian ranting on Christian boards...
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Tell me are there gangs of chrsitians on christian boards who maul another christian who says atheists are nasty?

And will those gangs of Christians do anything to derail the posts of the board member of their christian board by calling him names and all sorts of nasty stuff in order to stop him from daring to say atheists are nasty?
 
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Leumas said:
Tell me are there gangs of chrsitians on christian boards who maul another christian who says atheists are nasty?

And will those gangs of Christians do anything to derail the posts of the board member of their christian board by calling him names and all sorts of nasty stuff in order to stop him from daring to say atheists are nasty?
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You forgot...QED!!
 
Norman Alexander said:
ChatGPT.
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Norman Alexander said:
You forgot...QED!!
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So you have given up on even pretending not being a defender of Christian Apologists then... huh?

Ah well thanks for admitting it.

QED!!!

ETA: I know GDon will never answer the questions below... maybe you can...

Leumas said:
GDon said:
... an equivalent niche to the Christian ranting on Christian boards...
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Tell me are there gangs of chrsitians on christian boards who maul another christian who says atheists are nasty?

And will those gangs of Christians do anything to derail the posts of the board member of their christian board by calling him names and all sorts of nasty stuff in order to stop him from daring to say atheists are nasty?
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GDon said:
I don't think anyone on this board fits the bill of "fundamentalist atheist", not even Leumas. Though posters like Leumas occupy an equivalent niche to the Christian ranting on Christian boards about who his fellow Christians who don't believe in the same things he does are actually atheists underneath it all, or worse. It's amusing, but also a little sad.
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In response to your above irrational claims in defense of Christian apologists I asked you the following questions....

Are you ever going to answer them... or are you just here to CONCERTEDLY do apologetics for Christian Apologists and express your consternated concerns regarding atheists on a forum for atheists and skeptics who disrespect your Christian apologists peers??

Leumas said:
Tell me what kind of Christian is the equivalent for your kind of "atheist" who believes in Imbecilic Design and hopes the DiscoveryHoodwinking Institute For Peddling Jesus will one day prove Evolution to be false?
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Leumas said:
Tell me are there gangs of chrsitians on christian boards who maul another christian who says atheists are nasty?

And will those gangs of Christians do anything to derail the posts of the board member of their christian board by calling him names and all sorts of nasty stuff in order to stop him from daring to say atheists are nasty?
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