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Indian astrology Birth Chart system ?

Isn't it odd how astrological charts are always vague and flattering? No astrologer has ever written ''You are a waste of space and the world would be better off without you.'' I remember seeing a documentary on the BBC about astrology. There was an America high school teacher who was appalled to find that a large percentage of his class believed in astrology. He asked them all to write down their date and time of birth. Then he told them that he had given this information to an astrologer, who had made charts for them. He distributed the charts, told his pupils not to let the person next to them see the chart. They read them, and were all amazed. ''Yeah, this me!'' ''I am sensitive'' 'Wow, it's like he knows me'' and other such comments. The chart was the usual flattering guff. The denouement came when the teacher revealed that they all got the same chart which was a genuine chart for Ted Bundy. It was an object lesson in combating woo.
 
CynicalSkeptic said:
I disapprove.

There, it's done.
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I disapprove of astrology too. The guff in the daily papers is harmless enough, but I object to astrologers charging money for this claptrap. I think that all astrologers should be made to prove that they can predict the future before being given a license to practice. This would of course mean that there would be no licensed astrologers. I also strongly object to halfwits like Ronnie Reagan who consulted an astrologer about important decisions that affected others. He should have locked up for his own good.
 
hopkinsworld said:
... I had a small business and till 2010 it was doing good but around July 2010 our partnership broke down and there was dramatic shift in my income. When my partnership broke down, the planetary period was changed to "Sun". From July 2010 to Nov 2010 was the planetary range of Sun. Other examples include the planet Sun is debilitated in my chart which means it is a weak planet. One meaning of the planet Sun is authority figures, father etc - so the relationship with my dad is bad and this is confirmed by this weak planet. Btw if other good planets influence, the results might change. ....
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To be honest, this is about the weakest reading I have ever seen. First off, the first period he describes covers more than a year. It would be difficult to find any business that failed consistently for over a year, as they would most likely be out of business long before then. You also note that your business failed "around July". Do you know the exact date? His prediction was that business would be good through July 15, 2010. If your partnership broke up on July 1, that would be a solid miss.

I count this as a miss anyway, as his report stated that your difficulties would arise towards the end of the "period of the Sun", and yet, your description puts the incident at either the end of the "period of Venus" or at best, the earliest possible part of the "period of the Sun", not the later part. You also do not mention having high expenditures, which he predicted.

You then go off on the classic method of reinterpreting the prediction to match what really happened to you. Sure, the Sun could be described as a father-figure, if you are an ancient Egyptian. It could also be said to represent a house fire (burning), a chariot (Appollo), one's offspring (sun=son), or a Japanese Emperor. The astrologer didn't mention anything about your relationship with your father, that was simply you trying to make a prediction meaningful.

Color me unimpressed.
 
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Hokulele said:
To be honest, this is about the weakest reading I have ever seen. First off, the first period he describes covers more than a year. It would be difficult to find any business that failed consistently for over a year, as they would most likely be out of business long before then. You also note that your business failed "around July". Do you know the exact date? His prediction was that business would be good through July 15, 2010. If your partnership broke up on July 1, that would be a solid miss.

I count this as a miss anyway, as his report stated that your difficulties would arise towards the end of the "period of the Sun", and yet, your description puts the incident at either the end of the "period of Venus" or at best, the earliest possible part of the "period of the Sun", not the later part. You also do not mention having high expenditures, which he predicted.

You then go off on the classic method of reinterpreting the prediction to match what really happened to you. Sure, the Sun could be described as a father-figure, if you are an ancient Egyptian. It could also be said to represent a house fire (burning), a chariot (Appollo), one's offspring (sun=son), or a Japanese Emperor. The astrologer didn't mention anything about your relationship with your father, that was simply you trying to make a prediction meaningful.

Color me unimpressed.
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Or it could be the Sun. Confirmation bias raises its head again. Good post.
 
Hokulele said:
To be honest, this is about the weakest reading I have ever seen. First off, the first period he describes covers more than a year. It would be difficult to find any business that failed consistently for over a year, as they would most likely be out of business long before then. You also note that your business failed "around July". Do you know the exact date? His prediction was that business would be good through July 15, 2010. If your partnership broke up on July 1, that would be a solid miss.

I count this as a miss anyway, as his report stated that your difficulties would arise towards the end of the "period of the Sun", and yet, your description puts the incident at either the end of the "period of Venus" or at best, the earliest possible part of the "period of the Sun", not the later part. You also do not mention having high expenditures, which he predicted.

You then go off on the classic method of reinterpreting the prediction to match what really happened to you. Sure, the Sun could be described as a father-figure, if you are an ancient Egyptian. It could also be said to represent a house fire (burning), a chariot (Appollo), one's offspring (sun=son), or a Japanese Emperor. The astrologer didn't mention anything about your relationship with your father, that was simply you trying to make a prediction meaningful.

Color me unimpressed.
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There are specific range predictions. And then there are overall chart predictions in the report. Yes there were high expenditures. I did not match anything with the prediction. I did not described Sun as father, its described like that by Indian astrology system. Read what each planet means in wikipedia. And yes the astrologer did mention relationship with my father as bad and I did not make that up. He said the same thing about my father when talked to him through the phone.

" In Indian astrology, the Sun is called Surya and represents the soul, ego, vitality kingship, highly placed persons, government and father."

en.wikipedia .org/wiki/Planets_in_astrology
 
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hopkinsworld said:
There are specific range predictions. And then there are overall chart predictions in the report. Yes there were high expenditures. I did not match anything with the prediction. I did not described Sun as father, its described like that by Indian astrology system. And yes the astrologer did mention relationship with my father as bad and I did not make that up. He said the same thing about my father when talked to him through the phone.
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Ah, he does cold (or warm) reading too. If his fishing about your father had not succeeded then he would have moved on to brother, sister, mother etc. until he achieved a hit.
 
dafydd said:
Ah, he does cold (or warm) reading too. If his fishing about your father had not succeeded then he would have moved on to brother, sister, mother etc. until he achieved a hit.
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I'm aware of cold reading. He reads the chart not my face. The reading from chart remains consistent even if you change to some other Indian astrologer. Send your details to any astrologer who follows the indian system and see if the basic planetary reading is consistent or not.
 
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hopkinsworld said:
I'm aware of cold reading. He reads the chart not my face. The reading from chart remains consistent even if you change to some other Indian astrologer. Send your details to any astrologer who follows the indian system and see if the basic planetary reading is consistent or not.
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How many have you consulted? I prefer to spend my money on something useful.
 
hopkinsworld said:
Around 4-5.
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Well, they might have a system, western astrology has its broad outlines too, but astrology has nothing to do with reality. I think you were fleeced, but if you are happy, then fair enough. It's your money. I still think that all astrologers should undergo a predicting the future test.
 
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Off topic - Taking that it takes 10,000 hour to become an expert. How many hours people put on improving their critical thinking and argumentation skills ? How do they measure their progress ?
 
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hopkinsworld said:
Off topic - Taking that it takes 10,000 hour to become an expert. How many hours people put on improving their critical thinking and argumentation skills ? How do they measure their progress ?
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By the amount of woo that they disbelieve. I have made great progress. Astrology, chi, ley lines, the Moon hoax garbage, 911 ''truth'', pyramid power, Scientology, YEC, alien abductions, the hollow Earth, dowsing, telekinesis, channeling, telepathy, homeopathy, ancient astronauts, astral bodies and Wicca are bunk. I came to this conclusion via critical thinking which showed me that there was not a shred of evidence. The list could have been much longer.
 
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dafydd said:
By the amount of woo that they disbelieve. I have made great progress. Astrology, chi, ley lines, the Moon hoax garbage, 911 ''truth'', pyramid power, Scientology, YEC, alien abductions, the hollow Earth, dowsing, telekinesis, channeling, telepathy, homeopathy, ancient astronauts, astral bodies and Wicca are bunk. I came to this conclusion via critical thinking which showed me that there was not a shred of evidence. The list could have been much longer.
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Do you practice doing a formal debate with a moderator ?
 
hopkinsworld said:
Do you practice doing a formal debate with a moderator ?
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What is that supposed to mean? A non sequitur if I ever saw one. You asked how progress in critical skills was measured and I gave you my opinion. Why are you going off on a sidetrack?
 
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hopkinsworld said:
Do you practice doing a formal debate with a moderator ?
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Skepticism is not a game that one wins or loses by debating con artists. It is a critical thinking process that, among other things, saves one money that might otherwise be handed over to charlatans.
 
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