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Ed India going down the Dictatorship road fast...

This idea that Australia is authoritarian is laughable. I hear it again and again, and somehow I still feel pretty dang free.

This shouldn't be taken as a comment on the status of Australia but:

I don't think that you'd necessarily notice from everyday experience if your freedoms were taken away. The most successful censorship happens behind the scenes. It's in things not printed, and not said. When you're not free to read a book what happens isn't that a police officer comes by and grabs the book out of your hand when you try to buy it. You just don't see it on the shelf. From the censor's point of view, ideally you don't even know it was ever written. Or better yet, they've created a chilling effect where it just isn't written. You don't know about the businesses whose services you'd like to have used or products you'd like to have bought but never hear about because they were denied a permit.

I live in China but I mostly don't notice the lack of freedom here. The main way I notice it is in the effect of the Great Firewall. But most Chinese probably don't notice that either because they just wouldn't think to open google or Facebook or YouTube or because the websites that they do go to don't have links to those places. Instead they open Baidu or Weibo or Youku or Douyin. I did notice when things became less free here starting around 10 years ago when they closed all the DVD shops that used to exist, when the small street-sellers were shut down (people selling street food, or putting out a blanket on the street selling stuff, flowers, bags, etc). But I don't notice it anymore and if you hadn't been around when it was there you wouldn't notice the lack. I'm aware that people have gotten in trouble for things they've said in WeChat groups, but I don't really participate in any big WeChat groups so that doesn't affect me. I'm aware of much more important things happening here, but only because I'm exposed to western media, the typical Chinese person has no idea. I'm reminded of a story a friend of mine told me. He was living in Shanghai during Tainanmen Square, but when he talked to people here about it they didn't even know it was happening.

When I go about my everyday life, I mostly don't really notice the fact that I live in an authoritarian country. My understanding of Australia is that it's still a highly free place, but I'm skeptical that you'd necessarily know from your daily experience if it weren't. I suppose if you engage in political activism in your daily life that may be a counterexample, though only on that particular dimension of freedom, and there are many.

Anyway, this is just thoughts triggered by your post, and shouldn't be read as commentary on Australia's freedom or lack thereof.
 
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Albanese comes off as quite the suck-up.
 
? Why Australia?

I meant YT taking the vid down, presumably because some mandarin in the government of India snapped his fingers at them. (Unless, like Orphiya Nay says, it's just some normal routine thing, putting up vids with a lag of some weeks in some geographies, a business decision nothing to do with the content per se. ...Although in that case, why first allow it to be out up, and then get it off the air, as Susheel implies.)

YT took nothing down, they just control what content can be viewed in what locations. The nations that are not India did nothing to prevent people from seeing it, the local distributers of the show just have exclusivity agreements so that you have to watch it there
 
Unless your meaning is that the premise - that India is going down the dictatorship road fast - is hyperbolic nonsense, no. I don't get your meaning.

When is it a dictatorship though? They have effectively silenced opposition in the media, they are very clear that muslims are not real indians no matter how many centuries they have lived there. Really what is the standard you use?
 
I am a firm believer in judging prophets by the outcome of their prophesies. If they make false prophesies, the thread should die, and they should be condemned. Not coddled into some weaker or less sensational claim than the one they actually made

That's the problem with prophets, the prophecy only comes true if no one listens. Looks like a lot of Indians have listened.
 
This idea that Australia is authoritarian is laughable. I hear it again and again, and somehow I still feel pretty dang free.

For what its worth, not the best metric or argument. I don't think Australia is some authoritarian dystopia but, "I fell free"? Meh.
 
Did you look at the video. Modi's fan club blames the Jews for the election results.

OK, watched the first few minutes only with its appeal to authority (OpenAI) as the basis of its conspiracy theory but didn’t get so far as to see what claim they were actually making. Unfortunately I think the Indian professional class is ripe for an argument like this. What did OpenAI actually say, and have they responded to this claim? I can’t find any relevant information.
 
The latest ABC Four Corners show “Infiltrating Australia” is about the Modi Government’s attempts to intimidate Indian Australian citizens and interfere with our security services. Australia has a large, influential and growing population of Indian origin. The behaviour of the Modi Government to interfere with citizens here looks like the act of a Dictator.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/infiltrating-australia-–-indias-secret-war/103989092

The ABC’s former South Asia correspondent Avani Dias reveals new details about the local “nest of spies” previously disrupted by ASIO and meets the Australian residents who say they have been threatened by India’s authorities.
 
That show has clips of so-called journalists telling Australians we can say what we want about the Australian Prime Ministers, but we must show respect for Modi or just “shut up”.

Sounds pretty dictatorial to me. Well **** you Mr Journalist and **** you Modi.
 
Not a lot, to be honest. Australia is not and never has been an authoritarian dystopia by any metric.

I don't think it is, I'm just saying, "I feel free" doesn't prove anything, I'm sure there were plenty of citizens all sorts of authoritarian societies that felt free, doesn't really prove anything about how free they actually are.

And of course, most authoritarian regimes have a class of folks that are basically free.
 
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I don't thin it is, I'm just saying, "I feel free" doesn't prove anything, I'm sure there were plenty of citizens all sorts of authoritarian societies that felt free, doesn't really prove anything about how free they actually are.

“Arbeit Machi Frei”?
 
"I'm free to do everything that is proper to do. Why should I be upset that I am not free to do improper things?"

It's not just dictatorships, either. Unlike in the US, in the UK your silence can be held against you in court. To me, this is a fundamental unfreedom. But I'm sure most UKians take it well in stride.
 
"I'm free to do everything that is proper to do. Why should I be upset that I am not free to do improper things?"

It's not just dictatorships, either. Unlike in the US, in the UK your silence can be held against you in court. To me, this is a fundamental unfreedom. But I'm sure most UKians take it well in stride.

One think I quite enjoy about UK copy shows. The interrogation scenes where give the suspect a little speech that's basically the opposite of the miranda rights speech and it appears that the suspect has a right to a lawyer who doesn't seem to have any right to intervene in anyway. Meanwhile in US shows, the suspect confesses because the cop insulted them then asks for their lawyer when its too late.

Also, lets be honest, I'm sure if I said the US isn't authoritarian because I feel free, there's plenty of folks who wouldn't take that as evidence of anything.
 
One think I quite enjoy about UK copy shows. The interrogation scenes where give the suspect a little speech that's basically the opposite of the miranda rights speech and it appears that the suspect has a right to a lawyer who doesn't seem to have any right to intervene in anyway. Meanwhile in US shows, the suspect confesses because the cop insulted them then asks for their lawyer when its too late.

Also, lets be honest, I'm sure if I said the US isn't authoritarian because I feel free, there's plenty of folks who wouldn't take that as evidence of anything.

It always cracks me up in US police bodycam videos, when they tell the suspect they have the right to a lawyer during any questioning. Then they ask if the suspect if they understand their rights. The suspect says yes. Then the cop says, "with these rights in mind, are you willing to answer some questions?"

And the suspect starts answering questions.

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Also, it turns out that getting arrested is a whole process that takes an hour or more, involving a bunch of paperwork and pro forma activities. The part about getting a lawyer basically only refers to any questioning about the crime in question, and about representation in court. You're not entitled to a lawyer to advise you or intervene during the arrest and booking process. Breathalyzer test? You don't get a lawyer for that. You have to decide it all on your own.
 

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