India-Bigotry in India

[Susheel]

You may be interested to know that Pakistan is a whole different country to India.

True enough...however, the populace do tend to try and out do the other in sheer dickishness. One must remember that until the mid 20th century all the countries in South Asia shared a more or less common feudal legacy.

 

[Susheel]

Ilhan Omar rips into journalist of the Times of India during congressional hearing on the Kashmir Situation. The journalist was trying to play the FOX role for the Indian government. Considering that the "newspaper" she works for preferred to carry a front page pic of the Duchess of Cambridge's skirt being blown up by the wind during her visit to India, she and her paper deserve whatever derision anyone can spare.
ilhan-omar-slams-times-of-india-journalist-during-us-congressional-hearing-on-kashmir-term-her-claims-dubious

 

[The Atheist]

And in a surprise to absolutely nobody, India's court system has exonerated a load of BJP members for their attacks on a mosque in 1993.

Corruption reigns supreme in Modi-land.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...s-all-accused-in-babri-mosque-demolition-case

 

[Darat]

And in a surprise to absolutely nobody, India's court system has exonerated a load of BJP members for their attacks on a mosque in 1993.

Corruption reigns supreme in Modi-land.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...s-all-accused-in-babri-mosque-demolition-case

It's frightening the grip he seems to have over the entire Indian state. He's the same as Erdoğan.

 

[The Atheist]

Erdogan, Bolsonaro, Putin...

I don't quite understand the attraction of autocrats, but it sure helps to be their friend.

 

[Venom]

India has periodic bouts of communal violence, such as the riots in Gujarat that left over 1000 people dead. Violence between castes also exists (10 deaths in 2018), albeit with a lower death toll. This sort of bigotry by politicians feeds into that, making such violence much more likely.

The U.S. has nothing on that scale. The worst of the riots in Furgeson were far less deadly than some of the riots in India that never even made the news over here.

The level of bigotry-related violence in India dwarfs that which the U.S. currently experiences. And their current political leadership encourages it.


The Indian Dalits attacked for wearing the wrong shoes



Caste hatred in India - what it looks like

I'm often shocked by news coming out of India with their very normalized vigilante violence, probably compounded by police corruption.

It's like the United States in the 1920s.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

There are a lot pf parallels between the right wing dominance in governments across the globe.

They all have a favorite mackerel, called "Truth", they want to slap you with. This is all part of the age-old war between the rational and irrational. Absolute truths, on human faces, wear a death mask.

 

[Susheel]

Latest from the cesspool that is UP. Currently being touted as the "best" state in India with the "best" Chief Minister (a temple priest, guess which party he belongs to.)
what-the-name-of-the-woman-raped-and-battered-in-hathras-says-about-the-crime

The police initially refused to file a First Information Report and only moved to arrest the perpetrators after public outrage. The moment the girl died after suffering in the hospital he body was siezed by the police and quickly burned. The members of the family were locked up in their houses and protestors beaten or arrested.
Hathras gang rape: India victim cremated 'without family's consent'
And no, it was not a cremation (that is not how a funeral pyer is laid out)...it was an incineration of the evidence.
There have been two other similar cases in the same state since then. In one, the perpetrators were muslims. However, the main difference is that the Muslim community did not take out processions in support of the rapists.

 

[The Atheist]

The police initially refused to file a First Information Report and only moved to arrest the perpetrators after public outrage. The moment the girl died after suffering in the hospital he body was siezed by the police and quickly burned. The members of the family were locked up in their houses and protestors beaten or arrested.

I was just reading that story at BBC.

What a sick cult you have running the place there at the moment, and I can't see any means of changing it, so it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

 

[Blue Mountain]

At the risk of turning this into yet another USA politics thread, this is what those of us on the left fear could happen to the US if it continues the course it's been on for the last few years.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Yeah, India's once much valued image as a tolerant nation is now totally gone.
The sort of people who killed Gandhi are now running the country.

India's image as a tolerant nation was flushed down the toilet when they adopted the caste system.

 

[Susheel]

India's image as a tolerant nation was flushed down the toilet when they adopted the caste system.

I am sorry...they did not adopt the caste system. It is an inherent aspect of hinduism. Reform movements of the 19th and 20th centuries resulting from a more universal access to education primarily because of missionary activities and colonialism did somehow attach shame to the practice, so it was suppressed. Casteism has always been an inherent part of Indian socio-economy. The situation now is that it is being validated and normalized by the current government.

 

[sackett]

I am sorry...they did not adopt the caste system. It is an inherent aspect of hinduism. Reform movements of the 19th and 20th centuries resulting from a more universal access to education primarily because of missionary activities and colonialism did somehow attach shame to the practice, so it was suppressed. Casteism has always been an inherent part of Indian socio-economy. The situation now is that it is being validated and normalized by the current government.

I think captainhowdy is referring to a belief that the British solidified caste as a handy way of controlling the Indian population. Unsound, of course.

 

[Susheel]

Yogi Govt Enlists PR Firm to Push ‘Hathras Girl Was Not Raped’ Story Line With Foreign Media

 

[catsmate]

India's image as a tolerant nation was flushed down the toilet when they adopted the caste system.

Oh good grief.

 

[The Atheist]

Yogi Govt Enlists PR Firm to Push ‘Hathras Girl Was Not Raped’ Story Line With Foreign Media

That's a very ugly place the country's being taken to. And probably no way to counter it.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

I am sorry...they did not adopt the caste system. It is an inherent aspect of hinduism. Reform movements of the 19th and 20th centuries resulting from a more universal access to education primarily because of missionary activities and colonialism did somehow attach shame to the practice, so it was suppressed. Casteism has always been an inherent part of Indian socio-economy. The situation now is that it is being validated and normalized by the current government.

Perhaps adopt isn't the right word. You're right that it is an inherent part of Hinduism. It's origins are murky but it is very old. It's importance varies from place to place and over time but it's always been there and will be very difficult to erase entirely. My point is that India has never been an equitable tolerant society and it never will be. It can't. The caste system makes that impossible.

 

[Susheel]

Some friends and acquaintances from the Indian diaspora released a statement in solidarity with activists and academicians incarcerated under the BJP government in India.
https://youtu.be/8AbXe7aOx8U

 

[The Atheist]

Good on them.

I find it interesting there are only two blokes in the lineup - any reason for that?

 

[Susheel]

I am not sure really. I know about 70% of them personally, I guess it is group that has been working together on various projects. The women are all primarily women's rights and health rights activists.