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Incest in a lift

RandFan said:
Sheesh. Make one little mistake. Upper class. The poor hardly needed such a reason to do anything.
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Actually, the northern part of Sweden (fittingly called Norrland), before cousin marriage was universally legal, was allowed cousin-wise incest due to the small size of villages, and the general unavailability of men and women the right age - often, I believe one village could consist solely of extended family.

This went on for some time, and the result was, as I recall, a somewhat higher prevalence of rare genetic diseases. Not unexpected, though.
 
Mark6 said:
Prostitution was ALWAYS legal in France, Italy, Spain, Belgium and Greece. (Also Germany, except in Eastern part under Communism.) Provide evidence these countries are okay with incest.
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I thought France was the one first-world country where incest was legal, because Napoleon thought those laws were some silly rest from Christian morals.


Of course, that had nothing to do with prostitution.
 
TubbaBlubba said:
I thought France was the one first-world country where incest was legal, because Napoleon thought those laws were some silly rest from Christian morals.


Of course, that had nothing to do with prostitution.
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At least not by any evidence or reasoning that Skeptic has presented. Skeptic's posts can be summarised as: "I don't approve of prostitution "therefore" if society allows what I don't approve of it will also allow incest because I also don't approve of that."
 
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Almost anyone who was of importance in the bible practiced incest

TubbaBlubba said:
I thought France was the one first-world country where incest was legal, because Napoleon thought those laws were some silly rest from Christian morals.
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I don't see how the Christians can object to incest.....

If the Adam and Eve story is true then ALL humanity must be the product of INCEST and first cousin sex and so forth.

But....something most people FORGET.....is that Abraham was the BROTHER of Sarah....it was true....not just a pretence to fleece Pharaoh (Gen 12:13).

When they repeated the pimping ruse AGAIN with Abimelech (Gen 20:2) Abraham actually affirmed that she was truly his half-sister (Gen 20:12).

Jacob...who is the son of the brother and sister Abraham and Sarah also married TWO SISTERS.

Judah contracted his Daughter-In-Law as a prostitute (Gen 38:17) and she became pregnant with twins (Gen 38:27). One of them called Pharez is the ancestor of David (Ruth 4:12-17) whose grandmother was also a Moabite (Ruth 1:4).

The Moabites if you recall are the descendents of one of the children born to one of the daughters of Lot after they had sex with their father and became pregnant (Gen 19:37).

So you see we humans are ALL the product of incest.....but even more so....god's chosen and special people who were to be the salvation of humankind (John 4:22, Acts 13:47, Romans 11:16-20) are descendents of Abraham and his half sister Sarah.

Moreover, the extra-special people among the chosen people are from the line of David who is the descendent of incest on both his mother's and also his father's side.

Solomon broke the incestual lineage a little by being from an adulteress Hittite (2 Sam 11:3). And do not forget that Jesus is supposed to be from the line of David through Solomon (Matt 1:1-7). But do not forget that Solomon’s queen was Pharaoh daughter (1 Kings 3:1)….who as we know practiced incest on regular basis and for a Pharaoh to become one he had to marry his sister.
 
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The point of course is that those who predicted what would happen with divorce or civil unions were right about their predictions, whatever else one can say of them.

The brother gave the sister money for the deed, to me this would indicate a level of control, the same kind of control one has when one gives a child a new toy for doing well in school or the like. And would indicate to me that this has been going on for quite some time.
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But I thought prostitution was just a business deal between two consenting adults?
 
Leumas said:
IBut....something most people FORGET.....is that Abraham was the BROTHER of Sarah....it was true....not just a pretence to fleece Pharaoh (Gen 12:13).
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It was? Where on earth do you get that from?

Oh, and something else: prostitution was "legal and normal" in Germany for the last 800 years? Who knew?
 
Skeptic said:
It was? Where on earth do you get that from?
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Sarah was the wife of Abraham, as well as being his half-sister, the daughter of his father Terah (Genesis 20:12). The Talmud [2] identifies Sarai with Iscah, daughter of Abraham's deceased brother Haran (Genesis 11:29), so that Sarah turns out to be the niece of Abraham and the sister of Lot and Milcah. She was considered beautiful to the point that Abraham feared that when they were near more powerful rulers she would be taken away and given to another man. Twice he purposefully identified her as being only his sister so that he would be "treated well" for her sake.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah
 
Skeptic said:
The point of course is that those who predicted what would happen with divorce or civil unions were right about their predictions, whatever else one can say of them.

...snip...
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And a broken clock can tell the correct time twice a day.
 
Skeptic said:
The point of course is that those who predicted what would happen with divorce or civil unions were right about their predictions, whatever else one can say of them.



But I thought prostitution was just a business deal between two consenting adults?
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The importance is not in whether they were right but in what their reasoning was. And that had nothing to do with incest or prostitution anyway.
 
Skeptic said:
It was? Where on earth do you get that from?

Oh, and something else: prostitution was "legal and normal" in Germany for the last 800 years? Who knew?
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Obviously you did not. Everyone else here knew that.

Prostitution was never illegal ANYWHERE until 20th century. It was often regulated and/or restricted to specific locations, but no country in the world had blanket ban on prostitution until Soviet Union came along. So yes, it was in fact "legal and normal in Germany for the last 800 years". As well as in every green or blue country on Humes_Fork's map. (Except for Poland and other countries which decriminalized prostitution after shaking off Communism.)
 
Professor Yaffle said:
Interesting that the article only says the brother was put on the sex offenders register, and not the sister.
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Why would anyone be put on the sex offenders register when no crime was committed? Last I looked, sex between two consenting adults was still legal, though it is - in certain contexts like that outlined here - somewhat icky.
 
MattusMaximus said:
Why would anyone be put on the sex offenders register when no crime was committed? Last I looked, sex between two consenting adults was still legal, though it is - in certain contexts like that outlined here - somewhat icky.
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"Incest is illegal in England and Wales. It is defined as sex, whether heterosexual or homosexual, between a person and their parent, grandparent, child, grandchild, sibling, half-sibling, uncle, aunt, nephew or niece. It is punishable with up to 14 years imprisonment."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_regarding_incest#England_and_Wales

I agree it's absurd for this to result in a sex offender registry, though technically it is an offense regarding sex. Maybe we need a new registry. An "actual rapist registry."
 
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MattusMaximus said:
Why would anyone be put on the sex offenders register when no crime was committed? Last I looked, sex between two consenting adults was still legal, though it is - in certain contexts like that outlined here - somewhat icky.
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Maybe you didn't look hard enough. Incest is not legal in Scotland, and it carries a potential life sentence if convicted by the High Court. As these two were convicted in the Sheriff's Court, they could face a maximum of two years inside.
 
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