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In Satan's Name

slingblade said:
Yeah, well, I wasn't there, so as far as I know, nothing happened to anyone.

Sorry, that's why anecdotes aren't evidence.
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You nailed it exactly. I'd go so far as to say miracles are no proof that miracles can occur.;)

I'm just trying to get my post count up.
 
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Hi JoeyDonuts --- that's a horrible situation you were in imo.

I think a key to getting through such traumatizing things like that is to have a support network of people that will understand where you are at and that you TRUST. So many times, one of the chief problems with religion is that the believers think it is their duty and right to invade a person's boundaries and violate their mind and emotions uninvited, thus stealing something that wasn't theirs for the taking ---- your dignity and trust being one of those things. When it happens to a child it's so damaging, and it violates trust in a horrific way.

So I hope you find the support you need in those you trust. I have several friends who come from strictly religious backgrounds who have "escaped", and one of them in particular needed a time to make peace with his parents as well. Unfortunately, I still need to make peace with my parents, my mother in particular. I can say that I desire to have a different relationship level with her, and I have a desire for her to put aside some of her harmful beliefs ... as I want to be able to trust her.

But I can't yet. And the reality is I might not ever be able to trust her. And the simple reality for me is that keeping a distance from her is the most peaceful way we can exist, and she can still have her opinions and belief systems for herself. I have tried to "make peace" more times than I can count.

So I hope that if you do approach your parents, and they are unreceptive or you do not see the outcome you are looking for, you will not be disheartened. I hope you do see the outcome you are hoping for, but if not ... I hope you realize that you do not have to trust your parents. There is no "law" that says you must. Knowing this logically and emotionally are not always the same thing. It may or may not be a desire you have to have a certain level of relationship with them ... I don't know ... but you do not have to trust someone who isn't worthy of your trust. It doesn't matter who, or what, it is. So even if they do not change, please seek out an environment which deserves your trust ... whatever that means to YOU.

I think a key to "getting over" people who have violated you, like that church and it's preacher and practices, or your parents ..... is taking back what was taken from you. It's not vengeance on the perpetrators that always works and restores that, because what was taken from you through bullying you with ideas and beliefs was intrinsic, not external perhaps ..... rather it's restoring to yourself the value and right to choose whom you give your trust to, and what you want to believe for your ownself. At least this has helped me somewhat, although I'm still on my "journey" concerning making peace in many ways. But maybe something I've said will help.

I hope I didn't ramble :(
 
That individual's mother & I have been good friends for 30 years; the death was not suicide but cardiac arrest due to years of drug abuse. It was not a deliberate suicide.
 
I just checked this thread after a few months.

I probably should not have mentioned the example of the family whose son's life was ended through years of drug abuse. Further information vis-a-vis the identity of the people in question doesn't need to be posted here, or anywhere. Please, no more initials or amplifying information on victims of the church.

The whole purpose of this thread was to cast light onto the practices and abuses perpetrated by Pastor Doug Riggs, who the last I heard, is somewhere in New York state with a very small group of people who follow him. I don't know if he's still pushing fraudulent and abusive SRA therapy...he seems to have dropped off the radar aside from some pictures I've found of him meeting with visiting Chinese christians.

At any rate, right now it's sitting on page two of a Google search on his name, behind a lot of sites gushing over how brilliant he is.
 
Doug Riggs

Yes Joey and sorry about the initials. I hope this man gets his just rewards which he and the others sadly still following him think will be great in heaven. He has abused all that he had under him including those that are still with him. The church had a split and most were going to leave and he spoke to several of the ones (mostly female) with his wife with no other members there and had them get to some more "memories" they needed to deal with and all of a sudden they decided to stay. Hmmmm interesting. He was great at having people cover him by coming up with some "false" memory so that way he could blame SRA on his own devious behaviors. Joey, I hope you are healing from whatever this creep did to you. Pastor isn't a title that should be on this man. Handler would be better. There are a lot of us out here that have been really messed with that were under him. Very clever disguise he has. You can find his ridiculous things on a website called The Byte Show.
 
Thanks for sharing Joey.

There are going to be crazy people in this universe, that is unavoidable. But when the mentally unbalanced start convincing others to listen to them...that's a whole new can of not good.
 
JustMe said:
Yes Joey and sorry about the initials. I hope this man gets his just rewards which he and the others sadly still following him think will be great in heaven.
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You know, I've spent a lot of time thinking about him and his whole ridiculous conspiracy theory stories about the Illuminati and "channeling power", the "Nephilim" and his whole shtick. Even applying a small amount of critical thinking towards these things reveals how ridiculous and false they are, and Riggs is by all accounts a rather intelligent individual, so I think sometimes that he must know these things aren't true and is simply using them as a manipulation - but when you listen to his discourse and his utter dedication, it's obvious that he believes its truth rather fervently. Intelligence does not save one from going down the rabbit hole of bizarre conspiracism, especially when one has a powerful motivator like people absolutely giving themselves over to you.

I don't think he's financially motivated, but ideologically and ego-based - much the same as David Koresh, Jim Jones, or Marshal Applewhite. He certainly shares quite a few attributes with them, like discouraging independent and critical thinking of his flock, and engendering absolute and complete control over nearly every aspect of their lives.

I still remember another person in the congregation who had a rather vivid tale of being an assassin in the Illuminati "royal bloodline." His story was and is, full of holes, and five minutes of objective questioning would reveal that he's an attention seeker - that found, in Doug Riggs and the Morningstar Church, an environment where his fantasy world would be unquestioningly accepted, and he'd be respected as someone who had "been there." His anecdotes would have been laughable and silly if it weren't for the fact they were used as absolute proof of a global satanic/Illuminati conspiracy that has the ability to shape world events, but is absolutely unable to silence the ravings of the man spilling the beans about their operation.

But mutally self-reinforcing fantasies are on the harmless end of the damage this man caused. There were many there that were in serious need of actual licensed psychiatric help and counseling, possibly even medication - and look at what they received instead.

In terms of legal liability, you couldn't hold Pastor Riggs responsible for the horrible things that happened under his nose any more than you could hold Doyle Davidson responsible for the horrific and sickening actions of Dena Schlosser. But that doesn't stop me from laying the blame squarely on his shoulders. He was given the trust and respect of multiple families, and he used it to fuel his sick fantasy world.
 
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Joey Donuts - My heart goes out to you after reading about your experience with D. Riggs. I'm sorry to say that I've had my own bad experience with Doug, only for me the battle is still in progress. About three years ago he moved to our town in upstate New York and invaded our church. For about six months we didn't know anything was wrong but eventually his true nature was displayed. After that he left our church (at our request) but my son and daughter-in-law went with him. Now he's got them believing that she has an SRA background and that I am an agent of Satan so they shouldn't talk with me.

One way I've been fighting this is to try and find out as much about Doug as I can. I've been able to contact some of the people that were part of the Morningstar Church in Tulsa and it has been helpful to hear their stories. That's why I was so glad you made the effort to tell your story. I only wish I had stumbled upon it alot sooner.

I'm not sure where to go from here but I want you to know I'll be praying for you. I know that this experience has really run your faith through the ringer of testing and I know that you plus alot of other victims need healing. I think talking it out is a good thing to do. I saw that a few other victims responded to you online. Maybe we could start a recovery group like Alcoholics Anonymous. We could call it, "I've been Rigged."

Seriously though, I'd like to talk to as many people as possible. I'd love to be able to hand Doug a stack of letters from people who were hurt by his (please excuse the expression) "ministry." His followers here in Syracuse actually believe that the people in Tulsa had no hard feelings toward them.

This is the first time I've ever done one of these thread things but I think they're great. There are people out there who have offered some pretty good insight. Anyway, I hope you see this and I'd love to hear how you're doing.
 
Outrigger said:
His followers here in Syracuse actually believe that the people in Tulsa had no hard feelings toward them.
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Oh really? I'm not surprised he'd only present himself in such a manner.

Personally, if I ever see him again it'll take considerable self control not to throw the son of a bitch down a flight of stairs.

There is only one person from Tulsa that followed him that I'm aware of, and the story is horrific. You probably know who he is. I won't put his name out there, but he's a good example of what Mr. Riggs does to people. Destroy families, abuse, relocate, repeat.

You have my sympathy. It is reprehensible that he conned your family into following him. There's no easy way to say this...They are going to be hurt and abused mentally, emotionally, and possibly sexually by this man. It's going to happen. Riggs will insert himself between your son and your daughter-in-law. He will fracture their marriage like he's destroyed their relationship with you, and they will believe every single last word of what he says with as much fervor as anyone can believe anything.

Prayer's all well and good if that's what you choose to do. I appreciate the thought, but what your son and daughter-in-law need is a cult deprogrammer.

What I'm thinking of doing is starting a StopDougRiggs.com website similar to what some other members of this community have done for people like Sylvia Browne.
 
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I think your idea of a website is great for two reasons. The first reason is that it will give some former victims a chance to share what's been on their minds for way too long and they will know that they have sympathetic ears. The second reason is because Doug needs a real dose of reality. I have to admit, though, that the "flight of stairs" scenario or something like that has crossed my mind from time to time.

Since I got involved in all of this my primary goal has been to get my kids out of it. The more I dig into Doug's past, though, the more I become aware that the damage goes way beyond my own two kids. It's been like walking through a battlefield the day after a battle and seeing all of the carnage.

I had thought of compiling a bunch of letters from victims that I could hand to Doug but I think a website would be even better because then people could hear each other's stories. My only problem is that my computer skills are somewhat limited. If you're serious about it, let me know and we can work out the details. I'll talk to some of the people I have been able to contact in Tulsa to get their input on the idea.
 
I'm giving it some serious thought. If I did it, it wouldn't be anonymous - I would have my name and certain details out there for all the world to see. This would...attract attention and that may have adverse affects I can't really forsee. Some of the others here that have hosted such "Stop So-And-So" sites have made themselves the targets of harassment from both the subjects of the site and their followers.

I'm asking myself if that's something I'm willing to subject myself to.

The way I see the site, if I decide to go through with it, would be a sort of sounding board or a blog with which I could relate testimonials of those that have been abused by this man and his "ministry." I'd need help getting background information on the history of his church, how it got started, where it's been, where it's going, etc. The utmost care would have to be taken in order to protect the identities of those sharing testimonials.

I do think that something like this needs to be done, I'm just not sure if I want my identity attached to it. I suppose staying anonymous would be an option, and wouldn't really hurt the mission or impact of the site.

More to come later, perhaps.
 
JoeyDonuts said:
Website is online.

http://stopdougriggs.blogspot.com/

Also, I've established and e-mail address for folks to share their testimonials and additional information about Riggs:

stopdougriggs@gmail.com

I anticipate a heavy volume of hate mail from his supporters, which I will be re-printing. Should be amusing.
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Great work, Joey. Those videos you linked to are terrifying -- classic brainwashing and exploitation of innocent followers. Doug Riggs is a lunatic. Imo, this is the perfect response, for all concerned.
 
~enigma~ said:
You do know that Lucifer is the morning star right?
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;) You're right, it does refer to Lucifer. Unfortunately, it also refers to Jesus. Doesn't really make any sense, but neither does that crazy old man.

JoeyDonuts said:
I think the best therapy would be a stiff right cross.

Of course, that would entail searching across the country so I could punch out what is now a 65+ year old man.

Actually, that doesn't bother me so much since I'd totally dropkick Andy Rooney if given the chance.
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:D :D :D :D
 
The website is going to be a little bit bare while I attempt to compile biographical information on Mr. Riggs.

I imagine some of his former victims have done this already. Hopefully they can share this information with me.
 
Things are moving fast I see.I really appreciate your dedication to the cause. I wanted to let you know that I talked to one of my contacts in Tulsa and filled him in on what's going on. He is supportive of the idea. He can also be a great resource on the history of Doug and he knows alot about how Morningstar got started.I told him to check out this website and that he might be able to figure out who you are in the real world and get in touch with you. He definatly knows who some of the people are who have been referred to in this thread.
Thanks again for getting the ball rolling.
 
There's no reason to take things beyond the internet, really.

This is to be an informational resource to serve as both a counterpoint to the man's claims and a warning to those thinking of following him, or already there.

I'm not exactly anonymous on the internet, but at the same time I don't really advertise my identity; for good reason and doubly so if this site begins getting traffic. I expect to be threatened and harassed, actually.

All contacts with me vis-a-vis Doug Riggs' background, as well as sharing your stories and experiences of involvement with Morningstar Testimonial Church or whatever he's calling his congregation can be directed to the following email address:

stopdougriggs@gmail.com

Thanks.
 
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With the website it should be easier to keep everything on the internet. I'll tell my contact in Tulsa to communicate only through the Gmail address and I will get as much current info. to you as I can the same way.
 
Sounds like you found another contact in Tulsa. I am sure I have spoken to you on the phone. I don't know how the Riggs group found out it was me but I heard from him after that. Maybe your son-in-law, daughter told him? I didn't feel quite so safe after that. Hope things are better in your church setting since they are gone but I pray that they get out. The Holy Spirit is the One that broke into my delusion. Praise God! This is reply to Outrigger's comments.
 
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I never thought of the name you chose but LOL I just got it---OUT RIGGER!!! That is great! Not to make light of your family's situation because that is not a laughing matter at all! Will pray for your children. Someone needs to get to The Byte Show lady that has all his lies on. She seems like she is totally under his control too! Go to The Byte Show. The testimony that his wife wrote about him acting as a Pastor's pastor makes me want to vomit! He isn't accountable to anyone unless they agree with him so how could he be a pastor's pastor???? Again, please no offense to my comment about the Out-rigger name.
 
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