In it till the Rapture!

I thought the rapture people have their own bible including commentary, the Scofield Reference BibleWP.

This Pompeo character struck me as a scary brute even before knowing that he is into this stuff, but the good thing is that he will be fired by Trump long before he can do any serious harm and/or Jesus comes back.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
In Rapture movies, unborn babies get raptured straight out of the womb.
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What happens to the placenta? And do the unborn babies get to grow to adulthood in the afterlife, or do they have to just flop around as fetuses forever? Or worse, do they get implanted into the wombs of heaven residents who just have to be pregnant for eternity? Or do they give birth to them, and then they age? The main problem I have with theories of the afterlife is that nobody ever seems to really sit down and think out the details. It all gets very silly very quickly when you get into the details.
 
TragicMonkey said:
The main problem I have with theories of the afterlife is that nobody ever seems to really sit down and think out the details. It all gets very silly very quickly when you get into the details.
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I like to consider advancing dementia and the after life. As I age and my cognitive abilities decline do they show up in my after life copy of me as the disappear from me? How many newcomers to heaven show up with only the ability to remember where they left their* worldly car keys but have no other recollection of who they are?

* maybe there* is a copy of me in heaven right now that gets there/their right the first time every time!

* maybe there is a copy of me in heaven right now that remembers not to repeat a joke they just told.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Probably because I haven't encountered many Protestant denominations who don't draw anything from Martin Luther or John Calvin. Salvation through grace alone and predestination are two theological beliefs invented outside the Bible, although they based their theories on selected quotations from the Bible. That doesn't make them purely Biblical.It's outside extrapolation.
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What aspects of either doctrine are extra-biblical?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Since when does the Bible say on the Day of Judgement believers will be raptured and the rest of us not?

Hint: The Rapture is not in the Bible.

I'm pretty sure there is something in Revelations about Jesus returning and ruling over the Earth for a 1,000 years or something, but the details in my memory are fuzzy.
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It doesn't. It is a 19th century apocalyptic fantasy that repeatedly fails. Our own member Elwin Garland just failed since his three days of darkness failed to happen yesterday.
 
sphenisc said:
What aspects of either doctrine are extra-biblical?
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They are based on subjective interpretation of particular verses which can be interpreted in a contradictory manner by others without either necessarily contradicting the verses themselves.

The final doctrines are not strictly biblical.
 
autumn1971 said:
They are based on subjective interpretation of particular verses which can be interpreted in a contradictory manner by others without either necessarily contradicting the verses themselves.

The final doctrines are not strictly biblical.
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Great. Now answer the question.
 
sphenisc said:
Great. Now answer the question.
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They did. There's no "this is what predestination is and how it works" section in the Bible. There's no bit that says "the Catholics are wrong, and Martin Luther is right". It's outside the text itself. The only way a religion could be solely based on a single book is if every adherent reads the book separately and they never talk about it, sharing their own interpretations.
 
TragicMonkey said:
The main problem I have with theories of the afterlife is that nobody ever seems to really sit down and think out the details. It all gets very silly very quickly when you get into the details.
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I sometimes think of a young woman with a six month old baby changing nappies forever. Or does one not eat or crap in Heaven?



Not eat? No bacon? Let me outta here.


Norm
 
fromdownunder said:
I sometimes think of a young woman with a six month old baby changing nappies forever. Or does one not eat or crap in Heaven?
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Digestion would be a big question. We need intestinal bacteria to have functioning digestion. So either they come to the afterlife with us, or else God has to re-engineer human bodies to either not need to eat, or be able to digest without flora. I can't see him going to the trouble to invent us in his own image with all that fiddly work only to stick our brains into robot bodies for 99.99999999999999999999999% of our existence instead. But on the other hand, I can't see the point of even having an afterlife if it has to so completely replicate original life that it becomes indistinguishable. If I were God I'd set everyone to reincarnation just to buy myself enough time to think what to do next.
 
TragicMonkey said:
What happens to the placenta? And do the unborn babies get to grow to adulthood in the afterlife, or do they have to just flop around as fetuses forever? Or worse, do they get implanted into the wombs of heaven residents who just have to be pregnant for eternity? Or do they give birth to them, and then they age? The main problem I have with theories of the afterlife is that nobody ever seems to really sit down and think out the details. It all gets very silly very quickly when you get into the details.
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I can answer all these questions in a perfectly logical and straightforward... oh look!
There's a squirrel over there!
 
TragicMonkey said:
What happens to the placenta? And do the unborn babies get to grow to adulthood in the afterlife, or do they have to just flop around as fetuses forever? Or worse, do they get implanted into the wombs of heaven residents who just have to be pregnant for eternity? Or do they give birth to them, and then they age? The main problem I have with theories of the afterlife is that nobody ever seems to really sit down and think out the details. It all gets very silly very quickly when you get into the details.
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The Medieval answer was that apparently one was given the age of 30.


I can't remember where I saw this.
 
Darat said:
What's it got to do about it being in the bible or not?
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Because the Evangelicals are into the literal Bible translation. At least that's why they are such evolution theory deniers. They're very big on Jesus' sacrifice and all that.

I'm surprised they would latch onto something not in the Bible.
 
sphenisc said:
It is.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
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Guess I haven't been keeping up.
Bible Gateway
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 New International Version (NIV)
15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
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King James Version:
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 King James Version (KJV)
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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Religion. Weird. I'm OK not having "the answers"...or making them up to fit my emotional needs. I guess I just don't need it emotionally.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Because the Evangelicals are into the literal Bible translation. At least that's why they are such evolution theory deniers. They're very big on Jesus' sacrifice and all that.



I'm surprised they would latch onto something not in the Bible.
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But they are not, they are into their interpretation of whichever version of the bible they subscribe to.
 
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