I'm a traitor

[Mycroft]

That is precisely my point , the link is a detailed description of...bites tounge...your views. I did not state them, You did, in Your own words , dated signed and concrete. Let all who view this access of your past performance in posts as a position where you define yourself.

I've looked at the link again and tried to see in it what you see. I'm afraid I don't. It's just the story of one man, who's story illustrates one part of this conflict that doesn't get much attention.

What do you see that I don't?

 

[TillEulenspiegel]

I've looked at the link again and tried to see in it what you see. I'm afraid I don't. It's just the story of one man, who's story illustrates one part of this conflict that doesn't get much attention.

What do you see that I don't?

I'm sorry that I disagree with your view but the link shows a consistent history of the man's scope which is 99% of the time spent on 1 issue with a consistent viewpoint that is anything other then open-minded ( skeptical).

Hence the term monomania def: Derangement of the mind in regard of a single subject only; also, such a concentration of interest upon one particular subject or train of ideas to show mental derangement
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If you traverse his bile I believe any reasonable person would find him obsessed with one subject and one view of that subject.

If he were a proponent of Homeopathy or occult for example people would tear him a new one. For some reason tho (except for the man's polar opposites on the political spectrum. who are just as un-reasonable) no one seems to take exception. Well I do. I dare say there are others on the board who's opinions are worthy of consideration who would agree with me.

Prehaps You should read the content of his posts rather then give them a topical perusal.

 

[zenith-nadir]

I'm sorry that I disagree with your view but the link shows a consistent history of the man's scope which is 99% of the time spent on 1 issue with a consistent viewpoint that is anything other then open-minded ( skeptical).

Hence the term monomania def: Derangement of the mind in regard of a single subject only; also, such a concentration of interest upon one particular subject or train of ideas to show mental derangement
.
If you traverse his bile I believe any reasonable person would find him obsessed with one subject and one view of that subject.

If he were a proponent of Homeopathy or occult for example people would tear him a new one. For some reason tho (except for the man's polar opposites on the political spectrum. who are just as un-reasonable) no one seems to take exception. Well I do. I dare say there are others on the board who's opinions are worthy of consideration who would agree with me.

Prehaps You should read the content of his posts rather then give them a topical perusal.

In other words....."I TillEulenspiegel will decide what is normal at JREF and I TillEulenspiegel will censor what I do not like".

 

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by TillEulenspiegel
I'm sorry that I disagree with your view but the link shows a consistent history of the man's scope which is 99% of the time spent on 1 issue with a consistent viewpoint that is anything other then open-minded ( skeptical).

The link relates to the Israeli/Palestinian-Arab conflict, yes.

Originally posted by TillEulenspiegel
If you traverse his bile I believe any reasonable person would find him obsessed with one subject and one view of that subject.

His favorite topic is the Israeli/Palestinian-Arab conflict. Yes, his views are consistent.

Originally posted by TillEulenspiegel
If he were a proponent of Homeopathy or occult for example people would tear him a new one.

I don't think the comparison of topics is fair.

Originally posted by TillEulenspiegel
Prehaps You should read the content of his posts rather then give them a topical perusal.

I do. I can't fault the factual content.

 

[zenith-nadir]

When I see something I don't want to read I don't read it. When there is a poster I am not fond of I will still read their posts for their posts can't hurt me. Threats of "Putting on ignore" is for people who lack maturity.

The one thing I do not do is what TillEulenspiegel did, try to censor what people can post or derail peoples threads because I don't like it or because I don't think it is "normal". There is no greater insult.

So here's more for TillEulenspiegel to censor for everyone....

8/28/2004

RAMALLAH, West Bank, Aug 28 (AFP) - A suspected Palestinian collaborator with Israel was executed by the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades late Saturday outside a mosque in the West Bank city of Ramallah, the militant group and Palestinian security sources said.

source

JERUSALEM (IslamOnline & News Agencies) - Two Palestinians convicted of collaborating with Israel were executed Saturday in the Occupied Territories. Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat ratified the death sentences...

2004-08-02

Five masked men broke into a hospital Monday and shot dead a convicted Palestinian collaborator who had been wounded in a grenade attack in his prison cell just hours earlier.

TIME.com

The Palestinian Authority on Thursday sentenced four men to death after they were convicted of collaborating with Israel in the killing of Palestnian militants. A further 60 were rounded up today.

13/01/2004

JERUSALEM - A Palestinian man killed his brother and his father on Tuesday in a family feud over the brother's suspected role as a collaborator for Israel, an Israeli police spokesman said.

22 October 2002

After a one-day trial, Walid Hamdiya was sentenced to death by firing squad by the State Security Court in Gaza on 17 October. Two days later, Amin Khalafallah received the same sentence. Both men were found guilty of treason, communicating with the enemy (Israeli intelligence) and weakening the morale of the Palestinian people.

hrw.org

As of early September 2001, the PA had sentenced twelve people to death since the Intifada began...two death sentences of alleged collaborators were ratified by President Arafat and carried out: ‛Alam Bani ‛Odeh (see above) was executed on January 13, 2001 in Nablus. The cruelty of the punishment was aggravated by being carried out publicly in front of a crowd of hundreds in the courtyard of the main administration building in Nablus.

 

[TillEulenspiegel]

The link relates to the Israeli/Palestinian-Arab conflict, yes.



His favorite topic is the Israeli/Palestinian-Arab conflict. Yes, his views are consistent.



I don't think the comparison of topics is fair.



I do. I can't fault the factual content.

Sorry in being tardy as I've been out of power at home and at work for a week..I never want to hear the word hurricane again!

Mycroft apparently somehow the link I posted was the JREF search engine ...That's not what I cut - n - pasted , rather it was a link to the members list that shows all posts of that person.

I don't think tho You missed my point: there may have been a jack-up in the link but I deem you make allowance for voice I find monotonously one sided and bigoted. That's your prerogative , even facts, as any statistician will you may be manipulated and twisted in a way that represents the case from the editorializer's point of view not any concrete summation of the trvth.

Old stuff , the horse is dead,but I felt I had to clear up the link thing as that seemed to be the Gibraltar of my assessment. Thnx for Your input.

 

[Mycroft]

I don't think tho You missed my point: there may have been a jack-up in the link but I deem you make allowance for voice I find monotonously one sided and bigoted.

I did assume the link was supposed to be a search of his posts and made allowances.

 

[a_unique_person]

Finially. A palestinian who doesn't put his stupid religion over his humanity.

Hardly finally.

 

[zenith-nadir]

You missed my point: there may have been a jack-up in the link but I deem you make allowance for voice I find monotonously one sided and bigoted.

So what I, TillEulenspiegel, did is derailed his, Zenith-Nadir's, thread because I, TillEulenspiegel, want him, Zenith-Nadir, to go away so nobody else has to read his "bigoted posts" for I, TillEulenspiegel, get to decide for everyone at JREF what people can post ....and if I find another thread that I, TillEulenspiegel, do not like I, TillEulenspiegel, shall derail that thread too until every thread conforms to what I, TillEulenspiegel, wishes to read.

 

[a_unique_person]

When I see something I don't want to read I don't read it. When there is a poster I am not fond of I will still read their posts for their posts can't hurt me. Threats of "Putting on ignore" is for people who lack maturity.

The one thing I do not do is what TillEulenspiegel did, try to censor what people can post or derail peoples threads because I don't like it or because I don't think it is "normal". There is no greater insult.

So here's more for TillEulenspiegel to censor for everyone....

8/28/2004 source
2004-08-02
TIME.com
13/01/2004
22 October 2002
hrw.org

If you wanted to show that there are Israelis who want an end to the war and justice, you may have a point. I have already posted a link about Israelis concerned about the effect the war is having on them and the Palestinians.

Now, if only the extremists on both sides were more concerned with what is actually a just a fair outcome for all concerned, there may be peace.

 

[zenith-nadir]

If you wanted to show that there are Israelis who want an end to the war and justice, you may have a point.

99.9% of Israelis do not want to be attacked by Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades, Fateh, The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the PLO or The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine. 99.9% of Israelis didn't want a war with Syria and Egypt in 1973 or 1967 or 1956 or 1948. 99.9% of Israelis wish olympic athletes, restaurant patrons and people riding the bus didn't have to die "for the cause". 99.9% of Israelis wish Iran, Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia would stop supporting terror groups who want to destroy Israel. 99.9% of Israelis wish Arafat and the Palestinian Authority would stop terror as is their obligation under several peace treaties. 99.9% of Israelis wish islamofascist groups wouldn't exploit young Arabs males and females and groom them for a life of terror.

Now, if only the extremists on both sides were more concerned with what is actually a just a fair outcome for all concerned, there may be peace.

Seems the millions of extremists on one side outweight the few thousand extremists on the other side, and until the millions of extremists on one side stand up to their corrupt theocracies, accept other faiths, democracy for all, the people living in the decadent West and especially reject suicide as the "path to glory" then I am afraid there will be no peace.

 

[a_unique_person]

99.9% of Israelis do not want to be attacked by Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades, Fateh, The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the PLO or The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine. 99.9% of Israelis didn't want a war with Syria and Egypt in 1973 or 1967 or 1956 or 1948. 99.9% of Israelis wish olympic athletes, restaurant patrons and people riding the bus didn't have to die "for the cause". 99.9% of Israelis wish Iran, Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia would stop supporting terror groups who want to destroy Israel. 99.9% of Israelis wish Arafat and the Palestinian Authority would stop terror as is their obligation under several peace treaties. 99.9% of Israelis wish islamofascist groups wouldn't exploit young Arabs males and females and groom them for a life of terror. Seems the millions of extremists on one side outweight the few thousand extremists on the other side, and until the millions of extremists on one side stand up to their corrupt theocracies, accept other faiths, democracy for all, the people living in the decadent West and especially reject suicide as the "path to glory" then I am afraid there will be no peace.

And 99% of Palestinians don't want to be attacked and displaced by the IDF and settlers. Tell me something I don't already know.

 

[a_unique_person]

99.9% of Israelis do not want to be attacked by Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades, Fateh, The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the PLO or The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine. 99.9% of Israelis didn't want a war with Syria and Egypt in 1973 or 1967 or 1956 or 1948. 99.9% of Israelis wish olympic athletes, restaurant patrons and people riding the bus didn't have to die "for the cause". 99.9% of Israelis wish Iran, Syria, Egypt and Saudi Arabia would stop supporting terror groups who want to destroy Israel. 99.9% of Israelis wish Arafat and the Palestinian Authority would stop terror as is their obligation under several peace treaties. 99.9% of Israelis wish islamofascist groups wouldn't exploit young Arabs males and females and groom them for a life of terror. Seems the millions of extremists on one side outweight the few thousand extremists on the other side, and until the millions of extremists on one side stand up to their corrupt theocracies, accept other faiths, democracy for all, the people living in the decadent West and especially reject suicide as the "path to glory" then I am afraid there will be no peace.

You have to wonder then, why found Israel on Arab land?

 

[zenith-nadir]

You have to wonder then, why found Israel on Arab land?

It was British land, prior to that it was Turkish land, prior to that it was Seljuk, Fatimid, European Crusader and Byzantine land. And before all those "owners" of Palestine it was jewish land. In 638 A.D. Arabs showed up in Palestine but never formed a government or a country there. They neglected Palestine which stagnated and declined falling far behind the renaissance occuring in Europe.

Hell, Jordan didn't even control the West Bank until 1949. The only Arab land in ancient Palestine is Gaza which is Egyptian, not Palestinian. Maybe you would be more effective in your debates a_u_p if you actually knew the history of your subject.


By the way...how's living on Aboriginie land treating you? Are you ready to move and give it back to it's rightful owners yet? Put your money where your mouth is a_u_p.

 

[a_unique_person]

It was British land, prior to that it was Turkish land, prior to that it was Seljuk, Fatimid, European Crusader and Byzantine land. And before all those "owners" of Palestine it was jewish land. In 638 A.D. Arabs showed up in Palestine but never formed a government or a country there. They neglected Palestine which stagnated and declined falling far behind the renaissance occuring in Europe.

Hell, Jordan didn't even control the West Bank until 1949. The only Arab land in ancient Palestine is Gaza which is Egyptian, not Palestinian. Maybe you would be more effective in your debates a_u_p if you actually knew the history of your subject.


By the way...how's living on Aboriginie land treating you? Are you ready to move and give it back to it's rightful owners yet? Put your money where your mouth is a_u_p.

It was no more British land than India was British Land or the Philipines was Spanish or American land.

As to the aboriginies, I have already answered that. It was a shameful part of Australia's past, and I am fully in favour of giving back meaningful chunks of Australia as some form of restitution, as well as medical care, etc, to compensate for their poor health conditions, etc.

The actual act of creating a 'white' Australia was a violent and bloody time, one that would not be tolerated in a 'modern' world, I would hope. The act of creating such 'facts on the ground' is still a bloody and violent process in Palestine. The effect on the Palestinians is already apparent, with the breakdown in their society being applauded by scum like you.

 

[Mycroft]

You have to wonder then, why found Israel on Arab land?

It's no mystery. When you're getting killed by the millions in Europe, arguments like Oh, the local xenophobic racists might not like us moving in next to them don't carry a lot of weight.

 

[a_unique_person]

It's no mystery. When you're getting killed by the millions in Europe, arguments like Oh, the local xenophobic racists might not like us moving in next to them don't carry a lot of weight.

Who were the Xenophobic racists? I agree, the Jews of Europe had a reason for seeking a solution to their problem, only, I don't see why the Arabs had to pay for the sins of the Europeans. Also, the Zionist movement predated the Holocaust by many years.

 

[zenith-nadir]

As to the aboriginies, I have already answered that. It was a shameful part of Australia's past, and I am fully in favour of giving back meaningful chunks of Australia as some form of restitution, as well as medical care, etc, to compensate for their poor health conditions, etc.

But all of Australia is Aboriginie land, not just meaningful chunks of it. Isn't it interesting that when the shoe is on the other foot....

 

[a_unique_person]

But all of Australia is Aboriginie land, not just meaningful chunks of it. Isn't it interesting that when the shoe is on the other foot....

Facts on the ground. The past is done, and we should make restitution. In Israel, the facts on the ground are in the bloody process of being created. Perhaps our notions of civilisation have improved since the days of empire building.