Illinois Nazi Wins GOP Nomination...

[Darat]

Janice Schakowsky (D) ran unopposed in the Democratic primary for the 9th Congressional District. She got over 60,000 votes. Were the people who voted for her also morons?


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Had a quick check on her Wikipage and it doesn't mention any links to, never mind promoting Nazism?

 

[Fizil]

Yea it isn't like he received any press about being a nazi. Who could possibly have known he was a nazi when they were voting for him?

At the moment I have no idea who is running for the Michigan 11th Congressional District seat. Whatever "press" any of the candidates in my district have made would be news to me.

I am moderately politically active, which means I will find stuff out about the candidates before the August primary, and vote in it. However I know most voters won't, and most will not be well informed about the candidates even going into the November election. Most people will do no research.

My point is really that as far as Congressional Representatives go, I cannot recall ever hearing news coverage of any sort about them, and I would never know anything about them if I didn't seek out the information myself. There might have been some news coverage about this guy, I don't know. However I wouldn't place money on many voters knowing who the hell he was before going into that ballot booth.

 

[fuelair]

That doesn't surprise me but an actual Illinois Nazi? What were the chances of that happening?

Very good actually. This is not the first time they have had them as I recall.

 

[Fizil]

Had a quick check on her Wikipage and it doesn't mention any links to, never mind promoting Nazism?

Your point being? Foolmewunz said we all know where his votes came from "deplorables and morons". My point was, does he think the same thing about the many thousands of people who voted for her when she was unopposed.

His Nazism, versus her non-Nazism would only be relevant if most voters were actually well-informed about who they were voting for. The fact of the matter though is that they generally aren't, and it is quite likely she got 60,000 votes for the same reason he got 20,000.

 

[fuelair]

It's not the first time Jones tried to run in this district. Two years ago, the local GOP was "saved" by the fact that Jones' signatures partly were out of district and thus void (he also tried to run for Senate and used signatures collected for that for his House bid). So the local GOP was forewarned.

The GOP doesn't stand a chance to win that district anyway, so how hard would it have been to get someone to nominally run for a position they wouldn't get anyway? Cue scene from the AGM:
"Next item on the agenda. Nominate a non-Nazi House candidate. As you all know, Nazi Arthur Jones has been trying to run in the GOP primaries for the last five House elections, and he'll undoubtedly try to run again. So we need a warm body on the ballot who will run against him to save us from the disgrace of having a Nazi on the ballot come November. In the board, we've been drawing straws and our beloved treasurer, mr. X. Torter, has drawn the short straw. We need 603 signatures to get him on the ballot, so we're now passing the paperwork around for his support signatures. Please all sign."

Really, how hard is it?

Besides, Nazis and current republickers are pretty much the same thing anyway.

 

[ponderingturtle]

At the moment I have no idea who is running for the Michigan 11th Congressional District seat. Whatever "press" any of the candidates in my district have made would be news to me.

I am moderately politically active, which means I will find stuff out about the candidates before the August primary, and vote in it. However I know most voters won't, and most will not be well informed about the candidates even going into the November election. Most people will do no research.

My point is really that as far as Congressional Representatives go, I cannot recall ever hearing news coverage of any sort about them, and I would never know anything about them if I didn't seek out the information myself. There might have been some news coverage about this guy, I don't know. However I wouldn't place money on many voters knowing who the hell he was before going into that ballot booth.

So your district might have a nazi running for it that has received national press and you wouldn't know? How does that fit with being even moderately politically active?

If he hadn't received national press for being a nazi you would have a point, but he did, and no comparisons to other candidates who did not receive national press for being a nazi is remotely relevant.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Your point being? Foolmewunz said we all know where his votes came from "deplorables and morons". My point was, does he think the same thing about the many thousands of people who voted for her when she was unopposed.

His Nazism, versus her non-Nazism would only be relevant if most voters were actually well-informed about who they were voting for. The fact of the matter though is that they generally aren't, and it is quite likely she got 60,000 votes for the same reason he got 20,000.

Except as I have said repeatedly he received a lot of political news on a national level for being a nazi. How many threads on here has their been about these other candidates? This is at least his second.

 

[Fizil]

So your district might have a nazi running for it that has received national press and you wouldn't know? How does that fit with being even moderately politically active?

If he hadn't received national press for being a nazi you would have a point, but he did, and no comparisons to other candidates who did not receive national press for being a nazi is remotely relevant.

Fine, you are right, over the past couple years 20,000 Nazi sympathizers have emerged in Cook County, IL. You have convinced me that is actually the most reasonable explanation for the primary results.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Your point being?

*Very slowly* That 20,000 people voting for a Nazi is bad.

*Even slower* That 60,000 people voting for an unopposed candidate that isn't a Nazi is not a logical "Whataboutism" counter to 20,000 people voting for a Nazi.

*Yet slower* That "Oh well it's okay because most people don't know who they are voting for" doesn't make it better.

 

[logger]

*Very slowly* That 20,000 people voting for a Nazi is bad.

*Even slower* That 60,000 people voting for an unopposed candidate that isn't a Nazi is not a logical "Whataboutism" counter to 20,000 people voting for a Nazi.

*Yet slower* That "Oh well it's okay because most people don't know who they are voting for" doesn't make it better.

Don’t think he’s trying to make it better, he’s just applying reason which gives him reality.

 

[Fizil]

*Very slowly* That 20,000 people voting for a Nazi is bad.

*Even slower* That 60,000 people voting for an unopposed candidate that isn't a Nazi is not a logical "Whataboutism" counter to 20,000 people voting for a Nazi.

*Yet slower* That "Oh well it's okay because most people don't know who they are voting for" doesn't make it better.

Jesus Christ, the sheer irrationality of this is bewildering. This isn't "whataboutism". I was replying to a specific poster, who made specific claims about the nature of the people who voted for this Nazi. That poster certainly wasn't implying that 20,000 people voted for him because he was a Nazi, just that it was a stupid Pavlovian response to vote for the unopposed Republican candidate. My post was questioning that poster as to whether they considered similar behavior toward a Democrat moronic and Pavlovian.

Do I agree that it is stupid that anyone would go into a ballot booth and vote for someone without thinking about whether they support that particular person? Yes.

Am I realistic in thinking that people behave that way anyways, regardless of party affiliation? Yes.

The whole point is that there wasn't some groundswell of support for Nazism in Cook County. It is simply a matter of normal voter behavior when given only one name to choose. Everyone pointing to the press coverage this guy received is giving the average voter way too much credit on how informed they are. The point about the unopposed Democrat is that this isn't a partisan thing: this is a voter thing. If you don't realize this is the way voters behave, you are going to make poor decisions like the Illinois GOP made here, of not running anyone to oppose this idiot.

 

[fuelair]

Jesus Christ, the sheer irrationality of this is bewildering. This isn't "whataboutism". I was replying to a specific poster, who made specific claims about the nature of the people who voted for this Nazi. That poster certainly wasn't implying that 20,000 people voted for him because he was a Nazi, just that it was a stupid Pavlovian response to vote for the unopposed Republican candidate. My post was questioning that poster as to whether they considered similar behavior toward a Democrat moronic and Pavlovian.

Do I agree that it is stupid that anyone would go into a ballot booth and vote for someone without thinking about whether they support that particular person? Yes.

Am I realistic in thinking that people behave that way anyways, regardless of party affiliation? Yes.

The whole point is that there wasn't some groundswell of support for Nazism in Cook County. It is simply a matter of normal voter behavior when given only one name to choose. Everyone pointing to the press coverage this guy received is giving the average voter way too much credit on how informed they are. The point about the unopposed Democrat is that this isn't a partisan thing: this is a voter thing. If you don't realize this is the way voters behave, you are going to make poor decisions like the Illinois GOP made here, of not running anyone to oppose this idiot.

I check. If it is a republicker only I do not vote for the candidate. If it is a Democrat only or a Democrat with opposition I vote Democrat. I limit myself that way because voting for a third party is pointless as even if they are better people they will not be part of a large voting block in government and unfortunately power and getting things right (NOT right wing) is the most important thing.

 

[JoeMorgue]

My post was questioning that poster as to whether they considered similar behavior toward a Democrat moronic and Pavlovian.

Well I tell you what when the Democrats run a Nazi candidate we can test that theory.

The whole point is that there wasn't some groundswell of support for Nazism in Cook County.

20,000 people voted for him. In a democracy "voting" is the only source of support that matters.

20,000 people threw their hat in the ring for a Nazi. You can't make that not true.

 

[Fudbucker]

Well I tell you what when the Democrats run a Nazi candidate we can test that theory.



20,000 people voted for him. In a democracy "voting" is the only source of support that matters.

20,000 people threw their hat in the ring for a Nazi. You can't make that not true.

That does seem to be the salient fact.

 

[theprestige]

I'll say what I said last time this came up - it seems very, very strange to me that a political party doesn't have the right to say "no, this person doesn't represent our values and, as such, cannot represent us".

Good point. How would you solve this problem?

Here's the kind of solution I'm considering. Perhaps you could look it over:

First, the national party cannot dictate to local parties who they can and cannot consider as candidates for local office.

Second, the national party cannot override the decision of a local party, over their choice of candidate for their local office.

Third, the local party will decide, by a free and fair vote by their membership, who will represent them as a candidate for local office.

I admit it has some flaws, but the perfect is the enemy of the good, as they say. What do you think?

 

[LTC8K6]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/h...es-got-on-ballot-illinois-gop-let-guard-down/

How Holocaust denier Jones got on ballot: Illinois GOP let guard down

 

[LTC8K6]

Still seems like there might be something wrong with assuming that 20K people intentionally voted for him, given his past vote totals.

 

[LTC8K6]

Looks like the GOP will run someone against him in November.

NYT:

A spokesman for the Illinois Republican Party said those dollars would be used to support an independent candidate in the November general election. Party leaders are in talks with several potential candidates, the spokesman said, but have not yet decided which one to endorse.

 

[LTC8K6]

It was an open primary, meaning any party members could vote for Jones.

 

[aleCcowaN]

20,000 people threw their hat in the ring for a Nazi. You can't make that not true.

Can them?

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