Illegal Israeli Settlements Rapidly Growing.

Does that make you a Jew or not? I am of the understanding that the descriptive is used two ways: one purely religious, one of blood and geneology. How do you apply that to yourself? What convention do you use?

According to mainstream Jewish tradition, one's status as a Jew is based strictly on heritage (with some allowance made for sincere conversion to Judaism). There is a saying that one can never stop being a Jew, one can only be a bad Jew.
 
It's even more confusing. I'm an atheist, born and raised Christian, who married a Jewish woman and is now a member of a Jewish temple, and who lights Shabbat candles every Friday night and occasionally goes to Torah study. Am I Jewish? I don't even know. Usually, these days, I say yes, unless the context is very specifically about belief in God.

According to Orthodox law (and most other sects have similar laws), you would not be considered a Jew unless you make a sincere conversion. However, as the spouse of a Jew, you do qualify for the Right of Return.
 
According to Orthodox law (and most other sects have similar laws), you would not be considered a Jew unless you make a sincere conversion. However, as the spouse of a Jew, you do qualify for the Right of Return.

Right. You need to actually convert. Of course, once you do, you don't have to light candles or anything.;)
 
Just wanted to plug a documentary.

It can be watched here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696

It's obviously a pro-Palestinian piece, so if you're the type that only wants to wrap their mind in safe comfortable views that bolster their preconceived biases, then by all means ignore it, but I do think it makes a pretty good case that the overwhelming majority of American mainstream media coverage of this conflict is pretty shamefully just propaganda right from the mouths of the Israeli government.

edit: why is my post in italics?
 
Does that make you a Jew or not? I am of the understanding that the descriptive is used two ways: one purely religious, one of blood and geneology. How do you apply that to yourself? What convention do you use?

DR
most Israelis are not orthodox Jews, neither am I. Most are no different than non religious Christans in this respect. VIolence against Muslims by the Israeli military are political as oppossed to being "Jewish"
 
most Israelis are not orthodox Jews, neither am I. Most are no different than non religious Christans in this respect. VIolence against Muslims by the Israeli military are political as oppossed to being "Jewish"
Israeli versus Jewish I get, and always have.

DR
 
Mycroft said:
So if a man attacks you swinging a baseball bat and in self-defense you accidentally knock him down a flight of stairs where he hits his head and dies, that is morally the same as if you had purposefully murdered him?

Nope, What I am saying is that both sides suffer casualties. We need to see both sides and try to avoid our bias from making us blind to that fact. All men has the right to defend their home but nobody has the right to get a gun and enter their's neighbor's home.

Mycroft said:
That may be funny in a dark-humor sort of way. You are on medication, I hope?

You also understand that whatever you’re told by an auditory/visual hallucination, you can’t pass it off as evidence of any kind, right?

Yes, I am on medication. What I am trying to say is that I learned to look for the truth based on reason.

I know that this is not a thread for the paranormal nor conspiracy theory but I will give you a couple of samples.

When the attack on 9/11 happened, I was watching the television. What I heard is that "Any military man would tell you that it is stupid to execute a mission without any military value".

In short, when doing an investigation, you must look at the forensic evidence and the motive. I do not have an answer but I am preety sure that the perpetuators would know that they would be just be hunted like dogs by the mightiest military in the world.

The first statement that I heard way back 1988 said "This is the most important period in man's history, this is the time he is learning about information. Information that will shape the mind and character of his children". We now have this tool that is not hamperred by the boundaries of nations. We can influence our children to use reason in their lives.

The best one is "If there is a God, then the miracle is the power of reasoning that he gave us. Because of this miracle, we can create drugs, go to the moon, etc. But since we cannot see his fingerprint, it would be safe to assume that he expect us to use that power of reasoning. That is why after 16 years of search, I am now an agnostic.

There are a lot of other things that happened to me but instead, just lead me to agnotism.

With regards to "illegal settlement", the international community uses those words because that is what they are, "illegal". Why would Sharon say that he would dismantle some of the settlements, it is because this is where the main problem is.

Why is it called "occupied territories". Because that is what they are, occupied".

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Fix reason in her seat. Call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existance of God for if he exists, he must more approve of homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. _Thomas Jefferson
 
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Your anaolgy just doesn't work.

Hong Kong was British now it is Chinese, Scottish, Irish & Welsh people campaign to get rid of the UK and so on. Being against a nation as it is currently defined is not necessarily advocating genocide or anything like that.

Necessarily, no.

But, when you read the Palestinian covenant (etc., etc., etc.) it is quite clear that the Palestinian (and Arab) attempt to "oppose the existence" of israel is one of genocide or at the very least total expulsion of the jews.
 
It's obviously a pro-Palestinian piece, so if you're the type that only wants to wrap their mind in safe comfortable views that bolster their preconceived biases, then by all means ignore it,

"I know it's totally biased, but I'll call you names if you won't accept what it says as gospel truth".
 
The problem I see is not that Jews are moving into west bank areas. The problem I have is that Jews are erecting "Jews only" housing. I don't think that's a good idea. If they want to build apartment blocks in Bethlehem, and rent them to anyone, including Jews, who wants them, I think that's fine. If they want to do the same thing except have a "No Arabs Allowed" policy, I'm not so keen on that.

Many jews support your view. In fact, at least in the larger settlements, there are some Arabs, though a small number, who at the very least have their day jobs there.
 
Just wanted to plug a documentary.

It can be watched here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696

It's obviously a pro-Palestinian piece, so if you're the type that only wants to wrap their mind in safe comfortable views that bolster their preconceived biases, then by all means ignore it, but I do think it makes a pretty good case that the overwhelming majority of American mainstream media coverage of this conflict is pretty shamefully just propaganda right from the mouths of the Israeli government.

edit: why is my post in italics?

And here is a critique of that "documentary." It's kinda long, but reading through it will give you an idea of the falsehoods and omissions that typify pro-Palestinian propaganda.

http://www.jcrc.org/israel/p3l/P3L-Review.pdf
 
And here is a critique of that "documentary." It's kinda long, but reading through it will give you an idea of the falsehoods and omissions that typify pro-Palestinian propaganda.

http://www.jcrc.org/israel/p3l/P3L-Review.pdf

But, but, but... "Christianity = Crap!" said your two options are to either ignore it and be branded a brainswashed conservartive, or agree with it and be an enlightened liberal. What the hell are you doing, criticizing it? Are you part of the zionist conspiracy, or something?
 
And here is a critique of that "documentary." It's kinda long, but reading through it will give you an idea of the falsehoods and omissions that typify pro-Palestinian propaganda.

"Kinda long" ??? It's 23 pages long. No way am I gonna read all that! Too complicated. Can you please condense it to three sentences? Thanks.


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It's 23 pages long. No way am I gonna read all that! Too complicated. Can you please condense it to three sentences? Thanks.
It's a quick read, and a well organized discussion of how a piece of propaganda is crafted. I'd like to see a similar paper done on Michael Moore's work.

DR
 
DR --"It's a quick read"

OK, then summarize it -- I don't have the time to engage in a quick read of 23 pages.
Is Israel occupying palestinian land or not? Are the illegal settlements growing or not?
 

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