Illegal Israeli Settlements Rapidly Growing.

[Q-Source]

in part, however Jews tend not to hate Muslims for being Muslim, just hate those who opose the existance of Israel. .

Oh, how nice they are. I suppose then that they hate me because I oppose to the existence of Israel.

I know. I am from a Jewish backround. I am an atheist now.

So you are not Jew anymore.

 

[webfusion]

BREAKING NEWS:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/779335.html
Brawl between Arabs and Jews at 'Havat Gilad.'

The Gilad Farm outpost was built in 2003 on a land the occupants say is legally owned by lands dealer Moshe Zar, whose son, Gilad, was killed by Palestinians. The outpost comprises of ten constructions and a shed.

 

[Mycroft]

How about the civilians that perished because of Isralie missiles.

You would find this funny. You would probably know that I suffer from schiz. I suffer from auditory/visual hallucination. The fact is that the voice I "heard" thought me a lot. One of which is how to question things.

That may be funny in a dark-humor sort of way. You are on medication, I hope?

You also understand that whatever you’re told by an auditory/visual hallucination, you can’t pass it off as evidence of any kind, right?

I grew up in a rural place in Asia. I did not know anything about the Isralie/Palestinian problem until Israel attacked Betlehem and cornered some civilians in the Church of Nativity.

The voice I heard said "Even if the lot adjuscent to your home is empty, you still have no right to claim it".

The real issue, however, is if you have the right to buy it if the owner is willing to sell it to you.

Israel was born 1948. The land was given to them by the British and it has fixed boundaries. If the British gave them Tasmania, then that would be their home. They will have no right to build settlements in NSW.

Your history is lacking.

To take the argument that they were there 2000 years ago, then Americans might as well surrender all thier lands to the original occupants which are the Native Americans.

Do you also understand this argument cuts both ways?

 

[Meadmaker]

Does that make you a Jew or not? I am of the understanding that the descriptive is used two ways: one purely religious, one of blood and geneology. How do you apply that to yourself? What convention do you use?

DR

It's even more confusing. I'm an atheist, born and raised Christian, who married a Jewish woman and is now a member of a Jewish temple, and who lights Shabbat candles every Friday night and occasionally goes to Torah study. Am I Jewish? I don't even know. Usually, these days, I say yes, unless the context is very specifically about belief in God.

But, I'm confident that anti-Jewish Arabs would figure I'm the enemy, so I guess that makes me Jewish.

 

[Mycroft]

Death is death, suffering is suffering. It does not matter what method you use, the result is the same. When it comes to human suffering, no man can claim to be in a moral high horse if the result of their action is the same.

Really?

So if a man attacks you swinging a baseball bat and in self-defense you accidentally knock him down a flight of stairs where he hits his head and dies, that is morally the same as if you had purposefully murdered him?

 

[Solitaire]

The idea that israel has no claim to land it won in wars of annihilation against it, apart from not being followed by any other nation in the world, means in practice that the Arabs can continue to fight and have no reason to make peace: if they win, they kill all the jews; if they lose, they lose nothing because any territoriy israel gains is "occupied territory".

Actually it doesn't matter. For religious reasons the Arabs cannot stop fighting for the land regardless of who leads them. In the long run military superiority decides the boundaries.

Not a single inch of land was taken from the Arabs before 1948. ALL of it was bought, freely, by jews who came to Palestine and who bought it from Arabs willing to sell. They no more "took" somebody's home than the person who bought your house "took" your home.

Are you saying that the Israeli are the true libertarians? Wow.
If true then the Arabs should buy the Israeli out with a smidgen of their oil cash.

 

[Darth Rotor]

It's even more confusing. I'm an atheist, born and raised Christian, who married a Jewish woman and is now a member of a Jewish temple, and who lights Shabbat candles every Friday night and occasionally goes to Torah study. Am I Jewish? I don't even know. Usually, these days, I say yes, unless the context is very specifically about belief in God.

But, I'm confident that anti-Jewish Arabs would figure I'm the enemy, so I guess that makes me Jewish.

So the old metric of "you Mom was a Jew, so you are a Jew" still doesn't fit? I am glad I am not in the confusing situation you are in. I expect you have gotten more than a few laughs out of the deal.

DR

 

[Mycroft]

Actually it doesn't matter. For religious reasons the Arabs cannot stop fighting for the land regardless of who leads them. In the long run military superiority decides the boundaries.

Let's hope that's not true. Historically, when a religious belief causes great suffering among those that believe it, they find ways to modify their belief.

Are you saying that the Israeli are the true libertarians? Wow.
If true then the Arabs should buy the Israeli out with a smidgen of their oil cash.

That’s not what he said, and Palestinians don’t get to share in that oil wealth.

 

[Skeptic]

Skeptic,

Are you Jew?

Yes.

Do you believe in God?

No.

 

[Skeptic]

'm an atheist, born and raised Christian, who married a Jewish woman and is now a member of a Jewish temple, and who lights Shabbat candles every Friday night and occasionally goes to Torah study. Am I Jewish? I don't even know.

According to jewish religious law (the Halacha), you are not a jew, since you were (a) not born jewish (i.e., to a jewish mother) and (b) not officially converted to judaism.

However, as you surely noticed from experience , this is a formal definition that does not stop anybody from joining the service or Temple or studying the Torah with others. And nobody has any problems with you "impersonating" a "real" jew...

There is a saying in the Talmud: "Goy ve'oseh et ha'torah ca'mohu ke'kohen gadol": "A gentile who obeys the laws of the Torah is equal [in piety] to the great priest"--that is, the priest in the temple of Jerusalem.

 

[Skeptic]

I have a few Isralie friends and a few Palestinian friends. They all agree that the violence must end. There is no mention of "pushing the jews to the sea".

But that's not the point--as I said repeatedly on this forum, the issue is not that every single Palestinian wants to destroy israel. That, for the record, is not true. The point is that the Palestinians are ruled by those who do, that Palestinian children are educated for that, do everything in their power to do so, and so on.

Consider, as an analogy, Nazi Germany. Not every German--not even every member of the Nazi party--wanted to kill all the jews. But it's still true that the Nazis did and that the Germans did. For this is what the political party and the nation set out to do.

Similarly, say, Communism. Did every Russian want to liquidate the party's enemies? Did every member of the Communist party? Of course not. And yet, it's quite accurate to say that the USSR had, as one of its goals, killing its political enemies.

 

[steverino]

Oh, how nice they are. I suppose then that they hate me because I oppose to the existence of Israel.

Whether I hate you or not all depends on your wishes. You say you oppose Israel's "existence."

If your hope is that Israel becomes non-existent by nuclear attack, killing millions of Jews (and Palestinians there) as proposed by the Iranian leadership, then yes, I hate you. If you have some other vision of Jews and Arabs peacefully sharing what is currently Israel then I might not agree with your nuance, but I wouldn't hate you.

So, what IS your vision of rendering Israel "non-existent?"

 

[steverino]

Does that make you a Jew or not? I am of the understanding that the descriptive is used two ways: one purely religious, one of blood and geneology. How do you apply that to yourself? What convention do you use? DR

http://cghs.dadeschools.net/holocaust/enabling.htm

"A Jew was anyone with at least three full Jewish grandparents. Also legally to be regarded as a Jew was someone who had two full Jewish grandparents and who belonged to the Jewish religious community when the law was promulgated September 15, 1935, or who joined later, or who was married to a Jew then or later, or (looking to the future) who was the offspring of a marriage contracted with a Jew after September 15, 1935, or who was born out of wedlock after July 31, 1936, the offspring of extramarital relations with a Jew. Anyone who was one-eighth or one-sixteenth Jewish-with one Jewish great-grandparent or great-great-grandparent-would be considered as of German blood."

 

[Skeptic]

I suppose then that they hate me because I oppose to the existence of Israel.

And I was kicked out of the NAACP meeting just because I told them I oppose the existence of black people. What's worse, I was actually in jail just because I opposed the existence of Mr. Smith, whom I disliked, so I shot him dead.

 

[Darth Rotor]

And I was kicked out of the NAACP meeting just because I told them I oppose the existence of black people. What's worse, I was actually in jail just because I opposed the existence of Mr. Smith, whom I disliked, so I shot him dead.

So, how was jail, if you don't mind my asking? How did you get out?

DR

 

[Darat]

And I was kicked out of the NAACP meeting just because I told them I oppose the existence of black people. What's worse, I was actually in jail just because I opposed the existence of Mr. Smith, whom I disliked, so I shot him dead.

Your anaolgy just doesn't work.

Hong Kong was British now it is Chinese, Scottish, Irish & Welsh people campaign to get rid of the UK and so on. Being against a nation as it is currently defined is not necessarily advocating genocide or anything like that.

 

[steverino]

Being against a nation as it is currently defined is not necessarily advocating genocide or anything like that.

Very cute, Darat. Tell it to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Very cute, Darat. Tell it to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

*dons silly hat*

I am against Canada, but I don't want all them Canadians dead. I want Canada to become the 51st-62th states. The fact that I own a flag making business has nothing to do with this visionary position. Wait a minute, if Canada's on top, are we dealing with the visionary position?

*scratches head*

I'll get back to you later with more details.

DR

 

[Meadmaker]

I generally support Israel. I think they are better than any of their neighbors. However, the settlement issue is one where I have a real problem.

The problem I see is not that Jews are moving into west bank areas. The problem I have is that Jews are erecting "Jews only" housing. I don't think that's a good idea. If they want to build apartment blocks in Bethlehem, and rent them to anyone, including Jews, who wants them, I think that's fine. If they want to do the same thing except have a "No Arabs Allowed" policy, I'm not so keen on that.

 

[steverino]

*dons silly hat*

I am against Canada, but I don't want all them Canadians dead. I want Canada to become the 51st-62th states. The fact that I own a flag making business has nothing to do with this visionary position. Wait a minute, if Canada's on top, are we dealing with the visionary position?

*scratches head*

I'll get back to you later with more details.

DR

Darth- You are SUCH a Jew!