If Al Qaeda Planned 9/11...

BigAl said:
Methinks you underestimate foreign universities, not that they are all MIT with an accent.
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I think, rather I know because you make it obvious that you didn't read what I posted. Now can you tell me Atta didn't get a degree from Cairo university? If not, I suggest you get back on the topic of 9/11 and stop making yourself look like a fool that can only parrot Paul Thompson and his idiot line.
 
RedIbis said:
This is staggeringly incorrect. First, this unnamed reporter must be some kind of an idiot because nearly everyone had the same "a ha" moment when the second plane hit that this was no accident, this was a terrorist attack.
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Back in September the History Channel re-aired the program "9/11 as it Happened" which showed uncut news footage from the morning of the attacks. After the first tower was hit, one of the morning news shows was talking by phone with a woman who had witnessed the attack. As she was talking, the second plane hit. The woman said, "Is there something wrong with the air traffic controllers?" She didn't have a clue it was a terrorist attack.


The thing that is so ridiculous about the CT in the OP is that even if the gubmint did orchestrate the attacks, how would they keep people from taking those morning flights? Did they issue a statement "Hey everybody, don't take this flight because we're gonna crash into the WTC?" Troofers are idiots.

Steve S.
 
steve s said:
Back in September the History Channel re-aired the program "9/11 as it Happened" which showed uncut news footage from the morning of the attacks. After the first tower was hit, one of the morning news shows was talking by phone with a woman who had witnessed the attack. As she was talking, the second plane hit. The woman said, "Is there something wrong with the air traffic controllers?" She didn't have a clue it was a terrorist attack.


The thing that is so ridiculous about the CT in the OP is that even if the gubmint did orchestrate the attacks, how would they keep people from taking those morning flights? Did they issue a statement "Hey everybody, don't take this flight because we're gonna crash into the WTC?" Troofers are idiots.

Steve S.
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Didn't you get the memo Steve? NWO directive 666 was to close all airports and ground all flights prior to the first hijacking on 9/11.
 
~enigma~ said:
Didn't you get the memo Steve? NWO directive 666 was to close all airports and ground all flights prior to the first hijacking on 9/11.
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I'm too far down the totem pole. By the time I hear about something, it's already happened.

ETA: I forgot that anyone who isn't a troofer is part of the massive conspiracy. So all the passengers were NWO agents who were in on it.


Steve S.
 
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~enigma~ said:
Atta's degree was from Cairo university and under no circumstances can that be called western and neither can german education. So what exactly was western regarding their education? True that lots of sub-human truthers think that anything muslim is inferior but some others go a little too far in reaction and think everything western is superior.
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I'm rather waiting for some sort of justification for that slur on the German higher education system, which I think you'll find is on a par with your own and - the last time I looked - the country was still in Western Europe.

But hell, what do I know, what with me having picked up that BSc(Hons) and BArch from a non-western Scottish university..............

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Architect said:
I'm rather waiting for some sort of justification for that slur on the German higher education system, which I think you'll find is on a par with your own
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You misread me because I made no slur on any education system. What exactly did I say that spoke bad about it?
 
~enigma~ said:
Atta's degree was from Cairo university and under no circumstances can that be called western and neither can german education.
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1. The German education system is amongst the best.

2. It's in Western Europe.

So, like, which bit of your statement - whether implicit or explicit - was right?

:p
 
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Architect said:
1. The German education system is amongst the best.

2. It's in Western Europe.

So, like, which bit of your statement - whether implicit or explicit - was right?

:p
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German education is not western. That is not saying anything about the quality. Take a deep breath and relax :)
 
So, like Germany - a Western European country - does not have a Western educational system? Please explain!
 
Architect said:
So, like Germany - a Western European country - does not have a Western educational system? Please explain!
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by western if you really couldn't figure out I was referring to hemisphere. Or considering your reluctance to understand, maybe you think Germany is in the western hemisphere?
 
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~enigma~ said:
Are you seriously going to tell me I didn't mean hemisphere. I am well aware that Germany is considered western (or westernized).
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Perhaps the confusion arises because there are few cases where one would actually refer to the western hemisphere of the Earth, since unlike the Northern and Southern hemisphere there is no objective metric by which you would divide the Earth in that direction.

On this basis I doubt that Big Al's original comment about the education of Atta in western colleges was intended to be geographical in nature, instead referring to the cultural status Germany has as being part of 'the West'. I would humbly suggest that if you thought Big Al was making a geographical comment, then you have likely misinterpreted his intention.

Kind Regards

Tickers the Lurker
 
Hokulele said:
No, prior to 9/11, the idea of deliberately flying jets into large buildings would have been unthinkable.
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I really hate the word "unthinkable" I perfer unbelievable. It's obvious that plenty of people thought of the idea, KSM and Yousef being the main two on the extremists side, but people in the States thought of the idea too. The major issue was its belivablity, and the fact that most of those that could likely have done something to stop 9/11, simply didn't believe in what they considered a whacky idea. This is where the "Failure of imagination" come in. Controllers in the US Govt, FBI and CIA simply weren't interested in investigating what they considered to be fantasy idea of some of the lower downs. They weren't willing to hear out a what if, and deal with it as a serious option, or threat.

Take this for example. How many people here today would take the idea of Al Qaeda hijacking a Soviet Missile Sub and launching a nuclear strike on the US seriously?

On the face would seem pretty ridiculous and unlikely. In the same way the idea of them hijacking planes and ramming them into buildings was considered pretty ridiculous and unlikely by those at the top prior to 9/11. Whether or not they should have been thinking that way is a whole other story. There was certainly enough information on the table to have seen it wasn't silly, but the problem was that it's only easy to connect those dots after the fact. Before 9/11 they were looking at a lot of information pointing in a lot of very different directions. Playing 20/20 hindsight is rather unfair on those that were dealing with a lot of puzzle pieces that didn't fit. I always think of it as trying to figure out the picture of a 500 peice puzzle when you only have 250 of them and they are mixed up with ten other 5,000 pieces puzzles. Sure you might be able to do it and say why couldn't you see that before once someone finds the box, but not so easy before that.

I personally think that what 9/11 really did was give the Intelligence group a swift kick in the backside to the point where hopefully they are now willing to not only consider the outlying case senarios that sound wacky and out there, but made them realise that when attacks come, they are most likely going to come from out of left field because that's where the defences are generally weakest, so when someone starts suggesting there is an issue, I'd like to think today they'd be listened to and not written off as a kook.
 
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Alt+F4 said:
Very true. Anyone remember what the big news story was in the summer of 2001? I do. Shark attacks in Florida!
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Another big story from late that summer was about congressman Gary Condit and the suspicion he was somehow involved in the disapperance of Chandra Levy. A lot of news time was devoted to that in the weeks prior to 9/11...
 
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Corsair 115 said:
Another big story from late that summer was about congressman Gary Condit and the suspicion he was somehow involved in the disapperance of Chandra Levy. A lot of news time was devoted to that in the weeks prior to 9/11...
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Somehow, those of us Americans that paid attention to international news were aware that bin Laden was out there and was pissed at us. The Cole bombing was recent and the FBI gave it's official report in the spring of 2001 making bin Laden's role official. Maybe being a New Yorker that followed the trials for the1993 bombing closely. had something to do with it.

I remember distinctly hearing on the radio (probably BBC on NPR) the evening of 10 Sept 2001 (Eastern time) of the assasination of Ahmad Shah Massoud by someone working for bin Laden working for the Taliban. I recall commenting to a friend that this might turn out to be a big deal.

Maybe having tossed the TV set out 20 years ago had something to do with knowing world events.
 
HereticHulk said:
A suitcase nuke in NYC would have been a lot worse.


..just sayin'.
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Lucky for us, Al Queda doesn't have fancy toys like nuclear weapons. However, the US and Isreali governments do have them.
Like I said in response to the OP, you guys need to start applying your own logic to your "woulda coulda shoulda" arguments....
 
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if al qeada had fired a death ray on nyc..and incinerated all of its inhabitants..that would have been much worse then 9-11.
 
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