Yes, as I said, Genoa in a different country, on a different continent in a different hemisphere but all sub-human truthers are unable to differentiate between the USA and Italy.
If Al Qaeda Planned 9/11...
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I have a better idea, instead of spoonfeeding you the info, actually read the 9/11 Commission Report, specifically Chapter 11.
That will be a start, there are many other instances where this pernicious myth (that no one in the gov't could have imagined hijacked planes being used as missiles) is completely destroyed.
I read the 9/11 Commission Report as soon as it came out and a few times since. It's true that there were theories that terrorist might use planes as weapons although it was one of many scenarios and thought highly unlikely. I never said there wasn't. But there were no specific plans and exercises regarding hijacked domestic airliners crashing into buildings which is what I asked for. Prove me wrong.
You fail. But you are a twoofer, so you should be used to it.
ETA: Do you even believe that terrorists hijacked planes and crashed them on 9/11? I know you said something to the effect of that there is a lack of evidence for the UA93 and AA77 crashes. You can't be arguing, "well they did know that this could have happened," when you don't even believe that it did.
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The Bojinka plot included plans to crash planes into buildings.
Various details here, with sources:
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=operation_bojinka
-January 20, 1995: ‘First Hints of Bojinka Second Wave Revealed’
-May 11, 1995: ‘FBI Memo Fails to Mention Operation Bojinka Second Wave’
-June 3, 1995:'Plot to Crash Plane in CIA Headquarters First Mentioned in Media'
The June 3 entry includes the following:
"...in 2002 CNN correspondent David Ensor will comment about CNN coverage, “[E]veryone, all your viewers who wanted to, could have known that at one point Ramzi Yousef and some others were allegedly plotting to fly an airliner into the CIA headquarters in the United States, that, in fact, the idea of using an airliner as a weapon, that idea at least, had already been aired.…. We talked about it. We’ve done stories about it for years, frankly.” [CNN, 6/5/2002]
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=operation_bojinka
I guess you got me for once, I didn't know that.
That was a dumb statement. There is an airport right next to the Pentagon, the Pentagon safety office had to plan on an aircraft accident so they would drill for an aircraft crash to be prepared. So you are wrong about this except for people with no clue about the Pentagon and our civilian airspace rules. If only you researched this stuff first, you would not look so ill informed.
The rest of the NY stuff, you just don’t understand UBL. And your "if" is bogus.
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Back to this "caveman" racism, eh?
No Red, they said they could not imagine, so you are wrong. You don't understand meaning of what they said.
"they could not have imagined" means they could not have imagined. No matter how many book of fiction you present, and plots uncovered, does not remove the fact many people could not imagine it. Even if they would told about it once, or read a book etc. They said it, they mean it, you are unable to understand what people say and comprehend it; exactly like your ability with all of 9/11. No clue.
Too bad you failed to warn us; it is your fault for not warning us. Learn to understand.
What is the big deal?Care to explain the significance of it being ALLEGEDLY thought up in "a cave"?
TAM
Plan: Kill 8 pilots, take four planes, and hit four targets.
Prep: Train 4 pilots, train throat cutters, and check out if you can do it by flying in USA.
Not much planning, and I can think of no better place to plan a mass murder than your spare time for 7 or 8 years in caves and anywhere you can.
The simplicity of the terrorist attack is a one-time deal. A few people have a tough time knowing many people in the rest of the world from all nations are much more imaginative and smarter than we are so they make fun of them and dismiss them as incapable of a simple act of mass murder.
This is a plot that could have been completed by most American kids old enough to cut throats, and most of them can fly jets without training, flying right into buildings as well as the terrorists. So relax, we can do it ourselves, look at Tim McVeigh, he was an American with nut case ideas like 9/11 truth. So relax, not only college educated terrorist in caves can do 9/11, neo-NAZI idiots just like 9/11 truth could do it too. Except for p4t pilots and Balsamo, they were unable to hit building in safety of simulators; who would know experts at woo can't fly as well as the terrorist they apologize for?
What is his problem?
Care to explain the significance of it being ALLEGEDLY thought up in "a cave"?
TAM
I never alleged anything, I'm repeating the general consensus, aren't I? For all I know it could have been a boardroom in Saudi Arabia. But I did wonder if a cave would be more or less conducive to such a malevolent plan.
Ignore Enigma, who appears to be arguing that US military officials couldn't, in their wildest imaginations, believe that something that could happen in Italy could also happen in the USA.
Is the reason for the hypothetical crash specified?
- In the notorious August 6th, 2001, Presidential Daily Briefing, ‘Bin Laden determined to strike in US’ it says:
“.....FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.
The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full-field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group or bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives.”
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/10/august6.memo/
- The following is attributed to 911 Commissioner, Richard Ben-Veniste in ‘ The Commission’, by Philip Shenon (p238):
“..in the Moussaoui case, an FBI agent had warned specifically in August 2001 that he might be involved in a plot to ‘crash a plane into the World Trade Centre’.”
Ben-Veniste is also said to refer to the Pentagon drills as “for the possibility of a plane-as-missile attack on the Pentagon.” (ibid)
- In August 2001, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered Russian intelligence to warn the U.S. government "in the strongest possible terms" of imminent attacks on airports and government buildings. (Source: MSNBC interview with Putin, Sept. 15, 2001)
- ‘Echelon Gave Authorities Warning Of Attacks’:
“U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals at least three months ago [from 9/13/01] that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture, according to a story in Germany’s daily Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung .”
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/f_a_zeitung_story.html
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1. There is no proof the plan was thought up etc... in a Cave. That "consensus" you speak of, is a derogatory term, more recently used by truthers, but used by near everyone right after 9/11. I think the real consensus is that AFTER 9/11, OBL and his posse headed for said caves...
2. As has been repeated many times over, the people who thought up the plan, and discussed it, KSM, OBL, Zwaheri, were all college educated, as were most of the pilots in the attacks.
3. There was nothing overly sophisticated about the plan itself (get a group of operatives to hijack 4 planes then fly them into buildings), but the logistics to carry it out certainly required a fair bit of planning and co-ordination. The commission report, and evidence from the Moussaoui Trial bare this out.
TAM
2. As has been repeated many times over, the people who thought up the plan, and discussed it, KSM, OBL, Zwaheri, were all college educated, as were most of the pilots in the attacks.
3. There was nothing overly sophisticated about the plan itself (get a group of operatives to hijack 4 planes then fly them into buildings), but the logistics to carry it out certainly required a fair bit of planning and co-ordination. The commission report, and evidence from the Moussaoui Trial bare this out.
TAM
While I agree (see above) that the plan, the idea, was nothing complex or sophisticated, I think the co-ordination of such a 4 pronged attack, and to keep it under the radar of intelligence officials, was what made the CO-ORDINATION of it impressive.
TAM
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The details were worked out by Muslims educated in Western colleges and living in the US, educated mostly in Germany, I think. The hijacker pilots were sufficiently westernized to work with American flight instructors (one, I recall, had marginal use of English.)
All that came from "a cave" was permission to execute the plan and the money.
bin Laden, himself is no dummy. He has lots of experience running his family's large civil engineering company.
Atta's degree was from Cairo university and under no circumstances can that be called western and neither can german education. So what exactly was western regarding their education? True that lots of sub-human truthers think that anything muslim is inferior but some others go a little too far in reaction and think everything western is superior.
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Methinks you underestimate foreign universities, not that they are all MIT with an accent.
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Pernicious myth or not, what's the relevance to what you believed happened on 9/11? You don't think 9/11 was solely the work of foreign terrorists, and you certainly don't believe the 9/11 Commission Report is anything less than a whitewash.
So why would the U.S. government go to all the trouble of staging at least certain elements of 9/11 (i.e. the collapse of WTC7), blame it on the terrorists, and then in the single major public document they release to "sell" their story, paint themselves as incompetents who should have seen the attacks coming?
Or is just that you're more interested in juvenile games of "gotcha" than you are in having even an iota of internal logical consistency in the nonsense you spew?
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