IDF now Killing Jews

[am7a]

originally posted by Mycroft:
Military capacity is a pretty normal thing to keep secret..

does this rule apply to Syria and Iran or those terrorist evil countries should not be allowed to develop there owen military secrets

originally posted by zenith nadir:
. Here's a straight fact, Israel has nuclear weapons.
Now if only Israel would give up it's nuclear deterent to make it easier for those countries trying to annihilate it, and while were at it lets stop the wall to make it easier for suicide bombers to enter Israel, and lets stop aid to Israel so that it can't buy American military equipment. How dare those jews to try and protect themselves from Hamas, Al Aqsa, Islamic Jihad, Al Queda, Fateh, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Sudan, Iran....

too bad israel needs walls nuclear weapons and us military equipment and aid to protect its existance and survive, thats what israel is all about.
when the walls are built israelis are gonna live in peace cuz hamas can't get through the walls and neighbores fear the nuclear weapons. such a bright peaceful future

 

[Mycroft]

does this rule apply to Syria and Iran or those terrorist evil countries should not be allowed to develop there owen military secrets

If they should have the weapons or not is a completely different debate. The issue here is secrecy. Syria and Iran both take pains to keep their capacity secret, as is to be expected.

 

[zenith-nadir]

...too bad israel needs walls nuclear weapons and us military equipment and aid to protect its existance and survive, thats what israel is all about.

Yes, too bad every nutball from Cairo to Tehran wants to blow themselves up in Tel Aviv.

 

[demon]

am7a:
"too bad israel needs walls nuclear weapons and us military equipment and aid to protect its existance and survive, thats what israel is all about."

True.
The USA's huge financial and strategic investment in Israel since 1967 lies at the root of the problem.
If the USA had recognised that Israel was a racial integration issue when Mississippi, Alabama and other southern states were presenting themselves in much the same way, and insisted on a one-state solution as they did in their own southen states, Israel wouldn`t be the fascist mutant state it is and the USA would be one of the most popular regimes on earth.

 

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by demon
If the USA had recognised that Israel was a racial integration issue when Mississippi, Alabama and other southern states were presenting themselves in much the same way, and insisted on a one-state solution as they did in their own southen states, Israel wouldn`t be the fascist mutant state it is and the USA would be one of the most popular regimes on earth.

How very interesting. Previously you were a harsh critic of Israeli expansionism, now you’re suggesting they should have done just that.

 

[demon]

"How very interesting. Previously you were a harsh critic of Israeli expansionism, now you’re suggesting they should have done just that."

Hardly Mycroft.
How is a one state solution with equal rights for Israeli`s and Palestinians (with their right of return) an argument for Israeli expansionism? I don`t see how you arrived at that conclusion.

 

[Mycroft]

Originally posted by demon
Hardly Mycroft.
How is a one state solution with equal rights for Israeli`s and Palestinians (with their right of return) an argument for Israeli expansionism? I don`t see how you arrived at that conclusion.

You said:

Originally posted by demon
If the USA had recognised that Israel was a racial integration issue when Mississippi, Alabama and other southern states were presenting themselves in much the same way, and insisted on a one-state solution as they did in their own southen states, Israel wouldn`t be the fascist mutant state it is and the USA would be one of the most popular regimes on earth.

So what time period was Mississippi, Alabama and other southern states having integration issues? Late 60’s early 70’s? Long before Israel concluded its peace treaties with Jordan and Egypt.

So if it had gone the way you said it should, Israel would have captured the territory in the ’67 war, and then just annexed it while granting all the inhabitants citizenship. Screw Jordan and Egypt, they don’t matter.

If that’s not expansionism, what is?

 

[Ziggurat]

really..!!, why all this secrecy then about the nuclear program. who can force israel to reveal the truth about its nuclear weapons to the international community and the UN if the US doesn't want to.

Israel has no legal obligations to reveal anything about any nuclear weapons programs they have, because they did not sign the NPT. Iran and Syria did sign the treaty, and so they have to abide by that treaty. Unlike Israel, they have already promised to be open about their nuclear programs, and they cannot go back on their word without breaking the treaty. It's really quite simple, the only double standard here is in your own imagination. Pakistan is in the same boat as Israel: it never signed the NPT, so it was never under any obligation to reveal details of its nuclear program either. So this isn't some conspiracy to arm the Jews and keep the Arabs disarmed, it's simply the reality of the treaty.

 

[am7a]

originallyposted by ziggurat:
Israel has no legal obligations to reveal anything about any nuclear weapons programs they have, because they did not sign the NPT. Iran and Syria did sign the treaty, and so they have to abide by that treaty. Unlike Israel, they have already promised to be open about their nuclear programs, and they cannot go back on their word without breaking the treaty. It's really quite simple, the only double standard here is in your own imagination. Pakistan is in the same boat as Israel: it never signed the NPT, so it was never under any obligation to reveal details of its nuclear program either. So this isn't some conspiracy to arm the Jews and keep the Arabs disarmed, it's simply the reality of the treaty.

what other options do iran or syria have instead of signing the treaty, iraq as an example was invaded because of its nuclear program and the suspicions of WMD.
what if israel developed such weapons, will it be excused because is has the right to defend itself whil others don't? or will america invade israel cuz it will be considered a threat to the national security of the US?

israel is open about its nuclear program baecause it promises that, they are realy known for keeping promises. i think the BBC report prooves how open it is.

 

[Ziggurat]

what other options do iran or syria have instead of signing the treaty, iraq as an example was invaded because of its nuclear program and the suspicions of WMD.

If Iran or Syria are intent on developing nuclear weapons, then they are legally obliged to declare that they will withdraw from the treaty. It's really as simple as that. And Iraq was bound by not only the NPT, but it agreed to further restrictions as terms of the cease fire ending the first Gulf War. You can whine all you want to about the fairness of this, but that's never going to change the legal obligations of the countries involved.

As for other options, there's plenty Syria and Iran could do besides make WMD's. For starters, they could recognize Israel's right to exist. That would make it a lot less likely that they'd end up at war with Israel again. Egypt doesn't feel threatened by Israel, because Egypt was willig to make peace with them. I'm sure you'll have reasons for why Syria and Iran don't make peace with Israel, and frankly I don't care. Because that's still a choice they're making, and I'm sick of people complaining about the unfairness of the known consequences of the choices they make. That's reality, it may suck but tough luck.