IDF now Killing Jews

source A Hamas suicide bomber blew up two armed Palestinians who tried to rob him at gun point in the Gaza Strip. Rather than give up his explosives, the bomber detonated them, killing himself and the two robbers near the border fence between Gaza and Israel.
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zenith-nadir said:
Now that is a pleasing, yet ironic story Scott. :D
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a_unique_person said:
No, it was ZN, with the usual smiley, at Palestinians killing each other.
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...and your seek-medication-now "problem" is? My war-crime smiley? Perhaps a UN resolution or two, maybe the Hague can become involved...Hitler, Sharon, the Apartheid Wall and now Zenith Nadir!

Meanwhile back on earth, a Hamas suicide bomber blew up two armed robbers who were oppressing him for his suicide belt...hehehe
 
a_unique_person said:


No, it was ZN, with the usual smiley, at Palestinians killing each other.
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Your words were false. I don't see any lies by ZN in the thread you linked to.

What you write simply can't be trusted to be faithful to the sources you link to.

MattJ
 
aerocontrols said:


Your words were false. I don't see any lies by ZN in the thread you linked to.

What you write simply can't be trusted to be faithful to the sources you link to.

MattJ
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??? It was only a comment on a smiley that one Palestinian attacked another. This was an occaison of great happiness for him. I was just juxtaposed that with an Israeli shooting an Israeli. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
any jew in israel who decides to reveal a dirty secret about israel or decide to go for a peace protest against the wall or photographing a palestinian kid used to shield vihicles should be added to the list of traitores (not real jews list). this is another story of a jew who was considered to be a traitor after revieling the dirty nuclear program of israel.

Mordechai Vanunu, Israel's nuclear whistle-blower
He also called on Dr Williams to put pressure on the Israeli government to lift the restrictions imposed on Mordechai, who was released after serving 17 years and eight months in prison for revealing details of Israel's secret atomic weapons programme.

There are extremist lunatics out there who want to do things to Mordechai," Meir said.

While peace activists regard him as a hero, many Israelis see Mr Vanunu as a traitor. An Israeli peace group has petitioned Israel's attorney general to investigate the editor of the newspaper Ma'ariv over "suspicion of incitement to murder" after it posed the question, "What to do with Vanunu?" and gave readers the option of "killing him".
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am7a said:
this is another story of a jew who was considered to be a traitor after revieling the dirty nuclear program of israel.
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Under what definition of 'treason' would Vanunu's actions not apply?

What does the word 'traitor' mean to you?
 
a_unique_person said:


??? It was only a comment on a smiley that one Palestinian attacked another. This was an occaison of great happiness for him. I was just juxtaposed that with an Israeli shooting an Israeli. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Why shouldn't one be pleased that a suicide bomber killed criminals instead of his intended targets?

Criminals who were preying on Palestinians, no less.
 
Under what definition of 'treason' would Vanunu's actions not apply?

What does the word 'traitor' mean to you?


he is being threatened to be killed although he has already payed for revealing a secret that might concern a violation of the international law concerning nuclear weapons.
so he is a traitor in the eyes of those extremist who want to kill him but a hero for peace activists.
what made him reveal such a secret despite all the consequences of it unless he wants to put an end to such program and give peace the chance.
my point was to note how the israeli peace activists who are willing to put their lives on the edge are being treated, simply they are considered traitors and they deserve the consiquences of their actions. similar to the story of this thread.
 
am7a said:

he is being threatened to be killed although he has already payed for revealing a secret that might concern a violation of the international law concerning nuclear weapons.
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Israel isn't party to the nonproliferation treaty (along with Pakistan and India), so its development of nuclear weapons is not against ANY international laws. Really, am7a, you're not even getting your facts straight.
 
aerocontrols said:


Why shouldn't one be pleased that a suicide bomber killed criminals instead of his intended targets?

Criminals who were preying on Palestinians, no less.
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Then why shouldn't I be pleased that a criminal protestor was shot by a legal representative of the State of Israel. Except that the guy who shot him was upset. IIRC, "If I had known he was a Jew, I wouldn't have shot at him".

Maybe he should have had ZNs list of who are real and not real Jews on him.
 
a_unique_person said:
Maybe he should have had ZNs list of who are real and not real Jews on him.
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Sorry I do not debate with known liars.

This is what makes me laugh at a_u_p. His agenda is painfully clear. He starts a thread saying the IDF is now killing jews. His source from the electronic intifada, (a dead giveaway that his evidence is 'slightly' skewed), has no jews being killed by the IDF. So when he is called on that fact by aerocontrols 16 posts into the thread he backpedals and says this thread is actually "parody" of another thread inwhich the story was;
A Hamas suicide bomber blew up two armed Palestinians who tried to rob him at gun point
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a_u_p can't even say suicide bomber OR armed robbers, he can only say;
"Palestinians killing each other", "that one Palestinian attacked another"
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Palestinians running around with suicide belts is not a crime, palestinians running around robbing other palestinians at gunpoint for suicide belts is not a crime, the real "crime" is my smiley in another thread and the IDF who shot a protestor, (in the legs), 5 month ago.

:dl:
 
Lets do an experiment. Here's a story:

Large Bomb Damages House in Gaza Strip - Wed Apr 28, 9:19 PM ET
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - A large bomb went off early Thursday at the house of Gaza police chief Ghazi Jabali shortly after he left the site, witnesses said. The Israeli military said it had no role in the blast, and Palestinian police investigators did not name Israel among the possible suspects. On Feb. 5, a gunfight broke out at Jabali's headquarters in Gaza City between his police and backers of rival Gaza strongman Mohammed Dahlan. One police officer was killed and 10 wounded.
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a_unique_person said:


I was doing a parody of this http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39404.
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This is your response to aerocontrols asking what, exactly, you are claiming to be true in the article you posted.

So now you are NOT claiming what "electronic intifada" published is actually true? You intended it as a parody?

In that case, why did you reply to me and said "it happened, Skeptic"?

As usual, what you actually claims are maddenigly vague and impossible to pin down.
 
Skeptic said:


This is your response to aerocontrols asking what, exactly, you are claiming to be true in the article you posted.

So now you are NOT claiming what "electronic intifada" published is actually true? You intended it as a parody?

In that case, why did you reply to me and said "it happened, Skeptic"?

As usual, what you actually claims are maddenigly vague and impossible to pin down.
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A protestor who happened to be a Jew was shot, by a member of the IDF. That is not in doubt.

Last Update: 21/03/2004 13:50






More than 25 hurt during anti-fence protest near Dir Kadis




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More than 25 people were wounded, one of them an Israeli protester hit in the eye, when IDF troops fired rubber bullets at Israelis and Palestinians demonstrating on Sunday against the West Bank separation fence near the village of Dir Kadis close to Modi'in, Israel Radio reported. An IDF soldier was also said to have been injured in the scuffle.

Many of the injured were wounded in the upper body and face, it said. Regulations require security forces firing rubber bullets to aim only at the legs of demonstrators.

Raz Avni, an Israeli demonstrator who witnessed the incident, said "the soldiers were firing rubber bullets at people who were lying on the ground, who had come unarmed, who weren't doing anything, who had come to protect their land."

Military commanders in the area said that the troops had "exercised all possible restraint," making extensive use of tear gas and percussion grenades, and only when protesters began throwing stones in great numbers after about an hour did the soldiers resort to rubber bullets.

Anvi told Israel Radio that the soldiers fired indiscriminately at the upper bodies of demonstrators. "They aimed at us. They pointed us out, even thought we shouted at them with a megaphone in Hebrew. About a half hour after we arrived, as we were lying on the ground because they were shooting rubber bullets, the fellow was wounded in the eye."

Anti-fence protests in the area began two weeks ago. On Thursday a 10-year-old boy was injured in clashes between protesters and security forces guarding the fence construction site.

Last week, in response to a petition filed on the villagers' behalf by the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, the army told the High Court of Justice that it would halt work in the Dir Kadis area temporarily and reconsider the fence's route in that area. Nevertheless, the bulldozers began work Thursday morning as usual - and the matter is expected to go back to the High Court .
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http://stopthewall.org.il/mashacamp/NewsAndUpdates.html

I can find any number of sources for this story because it is true.

But that is not the point. I can't believe that something so simple is so hard to get through.
 
originally posted by ziggurat:
Israel isn't party to the nonproliferation treaty (along with Pakistan and India), so its development of nuclear weapons is not against ANY international laws. Really, am7a, you're not even getting your facts straight.
really..!!, why all this secrecy then about the nuclear program. who can force israel to reveal the truth about its nuclear weapons to the international community and the UN if the US doesn't want to.
how about this straight fact
Israel 'may have 200 nuclear weapons', BBC NEWS, Wednesday, 23 August, 2000
Israel is now the only state with nuclear weapons that does not admit to having such weapons. It has always refused to allow international inspection of the Dimona facility, and is among the few states that have refused to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

Israel maintains what is known as a policy of 'nuclear ambiguity', saying that it will not be the first country to introduce them to the Middle East.
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Originally posted by am7a
really..!!, why all this secrecy then about the nuclear program. who can force israel to reveal the truth about its nuclear weapons to the international community and the UN if the US doesn't want to.
how about this straight fact
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Military capacity is a pretty normal thing to keep secret.
 
am7a said:
really..!!, why all this secrecy then about the nuclear program. who can force israel to reveal the truth about its nuclear weapons to the international community and the UN if the US doesn't want to.how about this straight fact
Israel 'may have 200 nuclear weapons', BBC NEWS, Wednesday, 23 August, 2000
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Here's a straight fact, Israel has nuclear weapons.

Now if only Israel would give up it's nuclear deterent to make it easier for those countries trying to annihilate it, and while were at it lets stop the wall to make it easier for suicide bombers to enter Israel, and lets stop aid to Israel so that it can't buy American military equipment. How dare those jews to try and protect themselves from Hamas, Al Aqsa, Islamic Jihad, Al Queda, Fateh, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Sudan, Iran.... ;)
 
a_unique_person said:
A protestor who happened to be a Jew was shot, by a member of the IDF. That is not in doubt.
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But it's not what you said.

That's not in doubt either.

You said "IDF now Killing Jews On Purpose", then linked to an aritcle that demonstrated no such thing.


Skeptic was foolish for not doubting your every sentence.

MattJ
 
aerocontrols said:


But it's not what you said.

That's not in doubt either.

You said "IDF now Killing Jews On Purpose", then linked to an aritcle that demonstrated no such thing.


Skeptic was foolish for not doubting your every sentence.

MattJ
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Matt

can you think a little more abstractly for a second.
 
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