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IDF now Killing Jews

Well, since Z-N has called Cleo a "token Jew" and Chomsky (some other demeaning comment) Jew, I don't think he'll have any problem with this...;)

On the other hand, AUP, one possibly biased source does not a story make. Anyone reading it can see the slant of the writer....so I'd like to see if it is picked up and/or more info provided before I comment any more.

And Mycroft, if you are reading this, remember our non-violence discussion last week? it seems, my friend, that if this story is true (and I reserve doubt), then it bolsters my thesis somewhat. But what happens next (probably violence from Hamas or others) will probably cancel out any good that non-violent protest may do. We shall see.
 
I'm sure "electronic intifada" is a completely reliable, accurate, and trustworthy source.
 
Now that is a pleasing...

Of course it is. Shooting jews always pleases you.
 
It happened, Skeptic. EI was just the first source in the list.

...or, more precisely, the FAVORITE source on your list.

If it's the first, presumably most reliable source, what are the others? www.killthejews.org? www.israelmustbedestroyed.com?

Of course, the whole point is that him being killed was NOT on purpose: he was killed in a demonstration that got out of hand, not as the intended target of an IDF attack.

Which is a bit different than Hamas claiming he will exterminate thousands of Palestinian "traitors", don't you think?
 
a_unique_person said:
It happened, Skeptic. EI was just the first source in the list. If you want to waste my time, I can find the same story from other sources.
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Your choice of mailing lists speaks volumes, AUP, as does your sweaty-palmed glee at the very thought of Israeli-on-Israeli violence.

So naturally I assume that you consider any outside source of information - like from a less blatantly propagandistic source - would be a "waste of time" on your part... which explains why I consider you a "waste of time" on my part.
 
...as does your sweaty-palmed glee at the very thought of Israeli-on-Israeli violence.

Calling it "pleasing news" and adding a smiley at the end, to make sure we all know he savors the news, tells one a lot more about "A Unique Person" than he probably intended.
 
Skeptic said:
...as does your sweaty-palmed glee at the very thought of Israeli-on-Israeli violence.

Calling it "pleasing news" and adding a smiley at the end, to make sure we all know he savors the news, tells one a lot more about "A Unique Person" than he probably intended.
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Perhaps if you look here http://host.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39404, you will see what I am getting at.
 
Originally posted by Hutch
And Mycroft, if you are reading this, remember our non-violence discussion last week? it seems, my friend, that if this story is true (and I reserve doubt), then it bolsters my thesis somewhat. But what happens next (probably violence from Hamas or others) will probably cancel out any good that non-violent protest may do. We shall see.
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I think my only objection to your thesis was the idea that a non-violent protest must draw a violent response in order to be effective.

That's different from saying that non-violent protest will draw a violent response. Certainly it won't every time, but if the conflict is large enough and volitile enough, I think it can be taken as a given that eventually there will be violence.

I think you're quite correct is saying that violence from Hamas or some other group would cancel out, or at least make much harder, the good that non-violent protest would do, so a real effort at non-violence in the disputed territories in Israel would have to address that.
 
a_unique_person said:
Do I have to spell it out for you?
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Please do.


Your original post had but one factual assertion.

Does your article show that assertion to be true?

Let me change my question:

Does your article even claim that your assertion is true?

MattJ
 
1) The story a_u_p "strawmans", ( a verb ;) ), off electronic intifada is from the International Solidarity Movement, a pro-palestinian activist organization.

2) Electronic "intifada" is just that, another pro-palestinian organization.

3) The cough..."report"...cough...says;
At one PM in the afternoon the group of approximately two-hundred non- violent protestors marched through the streets of Mas-Ha and approached the gate in the security fence which borders the village.
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Yet the image accompanying the story says;
"Israeli soldiers aim at Israeli, Palestinian and foreign peace activists during a demonstration against the security fence Israel is building along the West Bank and its limits with Israel Friday Dec. 26, 2003 near the West Bank town of Qalqiliya. Shortly after, Israeli troops fired rubber bullets and live rounds as peace activists tried to break through the barrier.
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Qalqiliya is several miles north west of Mas Ha, it does not border Mas Ha, nor does Mas Ha border Qalqiliya.

So where did this alledged shooting take place electronic intifada and a_u_p? Mas Ha? or Qalqiliya?



sidebar: a_u_p named the thread "IDF now Killing Jews", yet the story clearly states no one died. Another lie made up by a_u_p.
 
I did a Google on the "victim" Gil Na'amati. I found he belongs to the "Anarchists Against the Wall" group and the story is true.

Debate on barrier flares after Israeli in protest is shot - Monday, December 29, 2003
At first glance, the confrontation along Israel's separation barrier seemed unremarkable. About 20 protesters shook the chain-link fence on Friday and some then took out pliers to cut it. After calling out warnings and firing shots into the air, Israeli troops shot at the legs of the protesters with live ammunition, the military acknowledged.One man was hit in both legs and seriously wounded. The surprise was that the wounded man, Gil Naamati, is a 22-year-old Israeli who had just completed three years of military service as a combat soldier.

In addition, a woman was lightly wounded. She is a 26-year-old American, Anne Farina.

The soldiers apparently did not realize that Israelis were among the demonstrators. In a statement, the military said soldiers shot at the man "who led the rioters."

The episode happened Friday afternoon 40 kilomters, or 25 miles, from Jerusalem, on the edge of a Palestinian village, Masha, in the West Bank. By Sunday, almost everyone in Israel, from the president, Moshe Katsav, on down had joined a national debate on why soldiers had used live ammunition to shoot the unarmed Israeli demonstrator.

"I am in favor of building the fence," Katsav told the Israeli radio. "Israeli citizens are allowed to protest against the fence. But the reaction to this cannot be live fire." Lieutenant General Moshe Yaalon, the army's chief of staff, visited Naamati in the hospital on Sunday and promised a full investigation.
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