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"Ich bin ein Berliner"

I know. There is also an odd, rather (i.e. very) racist quote attributed to Lizst, but I´m certainly not going to try and find it. He didn´t mean it.

It reminds me of a farmer I once knew, called "Sheep shagger" Tom. He said

"I have 200 cows, 50 pigs, and 500 chickens. Do they call me chicken Tom? No. Pig Tom? No. Cow tom? No. It´s all because of that one time when I got drunk."

I do believe she was referring to Wagner, a considerably better-documented case.

Don't mess with LL or Nick The Budgie will do unspeakable things to your macaroni. (How's that for a setup line, LL? "Subtlety" is not my middle name.)
 
You're not the one living in a country whose neighbors have vowed to wipe of the face of the earth. To those who are, having such a deterrant probably offers quite a bit of comfort. You think it's coincidence that Israel's neighbors haven't launched an attack against them ever since their nuclear capability went live?
*sigh*

I grew up in the nuclear era, such whinging does not impress me. Any day, some idiots in Moscow and Washington could have, if they really had their neurons misfiring, melted me down to zilch. I am glad we've backed away from the edge of MAD.

I am massively unimpressed with Israel not being in the NPT, though if I were in the shoes of an Israeli government, I'd probably have sought and built an independent nuclear deterrent. DeGaulle went for it, why should Israel not? And why should Iran not also seek an independent nuclear deterrent?

DR
 
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From what I've read of Godsend's posts, this time around it will be Jesus himself returned to Earth out front of His righteous army slaughtering all the Zionists. This is due to begin some time in December 2012.

All seems pretty plausible to me. Jesus hates Jews.
Is that why He (God/Jesus) killed himself (a Jew) on the cross? Deity level self loathing? :jaw-dropp

There was a wisp of perverse logic in that thought, but it slipped away.

DR
 
I do believe she was referring to Wagner, a considerably better-documented case.

Don't mess with LL or Nick The Budgie will do unspeakable things to your macaroni. (How's that for a setup line, LL? "Subtlety" is not my middle name.)

As far as I know, your middle name is "me." I'm at work and can't look for the link to the macaroni picture. If you could please link to it, I'd appreciate it.
 
Darth Roto Rooter:

I have news for you! Jesus does not hate Jews. Now, it may be that some Jews hate Jesus - but that's a whole different story :eek:
 
...The question is: Does Israel have a right to exist?

Yes. If only because the Jews as a people, with the rare exceptions of their time in Islamic Spain and modern America, have been persecuted everywhere in the world they've settled. Sadly, the creation of Israel hasn't freed them from the tyranny of hatred and violence against them but at least they now have some means of defending themselves while they had none when they were third-class citizens in other people's countries.


You know what? If this answer isn't good enough for some pugnacious people here, let's ask the Neturei Karta Jews about Israel's right to exist!

For starters the Neturei Karta Jews are a very small segment of the Haredi, a conservative religious sect. To say that you're not anti-Semitic simply because you agree with the opinion of an incredibly small minority of religious extremists who routinely support other religious extremists, some of whom sponsor and condone terrorism against Jews, is ridiculous.

Secondly, the Neturei Karta Jews are opposed to the state of Israel because they believe that the true Israel can only be created by the coming of the Messiah and thus the "man-made" Israel must be a tool of the devil since they believe that the Messiah can't return while the Jews have a Middle Eastern state.

Thirdly, the vast majority of Neturei Karta Jews do not protest the state of Israel, they simply refuse to acknowledge it because they feel that it is an illegimate creation of man. It appears that there are a few thousand of them worldwide with only about a hundred of them functioning as full-time anti-Zionist activists.

After all, Israel was created for them, right?!

No, Israel was not created for the Haredi, who already opposed it. Israel was originally created as a secular homeland for relatively non-religious Jews seeking refuge from the virulent and violent anti-Semitism spreading across Europe.
 
Yes. If only because the Jews as a people, with the rare exceptions of their time in Islamic Spain and modern America, have been persecuted everywhere in the world they've settled. Sadly, the creation of Israel hasn't freed them from the tyranny of hatred and violence against them but at least they now have some means of defending themselves while they had none when they were third-class citizens in other people's countries.




For starters the Neturei Karta Jews are a very small segment of the Haredi, a conservative religious sect. To say that you're not anti-Semitic simply because you agree with the opinion of an incredibly small minority of religious extremists who routinely support other religious extremists, some of whom sponsor and condone terrorism against Jews, is ridiculous.

Secondly, the Neturei Karta Jews are opposed to the state of Israel because they believe that the true Israel can only be created by the coming of the Messiah and thus the "man-made" Israel must be a tool of the devil since they believe that the Messiah can't return while the Jews have a Middle Eastern state.

Thirdly, the vast majority of Neturei Karta Jews do not protest the state of Israel, they simply refuse to acknowledge it because they feel that it is an illegimate creation of man. It appears that there are a few thousand of them worldwide with only about a hundred of them functioning as full-time anti-Zionist activists.



No, Israel was not created for the Haredi, who already opposed it. Israel was originally created as a secular homeland for relatively non-religious Jews seeking refuge from the virulent and violent anti-Semitism spreading across Europe.
Now THAT is shining light on the darkness.

:bigclap

I hope you're taking notes, Peter.
 
yodaluver28:

It seems a serious student has arrived :) Might be studying at Yeshiva ;)

What are those Neturei Karta Jews doing on streets with posters (repeatedly), proclaiming that "Zionism is Nazism", "Israel does not speak for Jews", "Judaism rejects Zionism", etc, etc., etc.?

Well, the Neturei Karta Jews are totally right about Israel being a "tool of the Devil" :eek: BUT, you don't have to be a Neturei Karta Jew to be convinced that Israel is a tool of the Devil! You just have to be able to SEE the Signs - in the Jerusalem Supreme Court building, for example. In their wanton murder of Palestinian children, women, old men, old women, fathers, mothers, etc. In their dropping of cluster-bombs on Lebanese civilians while a cease-fire is in effect. Need I go on about Israel being 'a tool of the Devil'? I thought not! The list of crimes against humanity is VERY long, indeed!
 
yodaluver28:

Not all Jews who oppose Zionism and the State of Israel are vocal opponents like Neturei Karta and 'Jews against Zionism' (and other organizations). Besides that, they have to make a living - like most people who can't take time off work to protest. It takes courage, especially for Jews, to openly oppose the Zionists who wield tremendous economic, political and social power. They intimidate even Jews, and they have no qualms about 'silencing' any opposition. If they can make powerful goyim 'toe the line' (like the preznit and the political leaders of both parties), they can certainly put mighty pressure on Jews! You SEE, yodaluver, the Devil is a murderous Beast and his Zionist worshipers are just like their "Great Deceiver" boss :eek: Yahweh hates the wanton shedding of innocent blood and their worship of the Golden Calf (they just can't seem to get over that one!). He will once again, for the umpteenth time, render judgment against His (former) Chosen People, according to His Word, and "MELT THEM" (except for the remnant who will accept Jesus as their Messiah). It is written and it WILL be so :)

But what the heck, you're only 28, right? You have a lot to learn but not much time left to learn it ;)

Go back to school and wise up!
 
As far as I know, your middle name is "me." I'm at work and can't look for the link to the macaroni picture. If you could please link to it, I'd appreciate it.

Sorry, LL.... Now I'm at work, and just being stubborn I decided to use "Search" and "Tags".... But neither yielded any results.

What we need 'round these parts is a good Dewey Decimal System! I'd only have to look through the 500's or 800's instead of trying to guess which troll you let Nick walk on...
 
Is that why He (God/Jesus) killed himself (a Jew) on the cross? Deity level self loathing? :jaw-dropp

There was a wisp of perverse logic in that thought, but it slipped away.



Jesus didn't kill himself. That would be a sin. His father killed him, which, as we know from the Bible, is perfectly fine. Especially if God tells you to...

...

...or if you are, infact, God.

-Gumboot
 
Darat is such a killjoy. Now that Godsend's suspended, who are we going to harrass?

:eusa_boohoo:

Oh, fine, I'll take his place.

The Zionists blew up the Twin Towers. Proof? Because I have dirty socks.

Totally unassailable argument.

Also, Kennedy at one time claimed he was a donut, which is even more proof!
 
Jesus didn't kill himself. That would be a sin. His father killed him, which, as we know from the Bible, is perfectly fine. Especially if God tells you to...

...

...or if you are, infact, God.

-Gumboot
i think jesus's life was one big suicide-by-cop thing, theres a dozen different ways he could have gotten out of it (not th eleast of which being calling a army of angels to save him) but he totally let it all happen
 
i think jesus's life was one big suicide-by-cop thing, theres a dozen different ways he could have gotten out of it (not th eleast of which being calling a army of angels to save him) but he totally let it all happen

And, if you accept Christianity as true, his sacrifice made him a martyr, which secured him in the minds of the people. Plus, if Christianity is true, that brings about more good than bad supposedly.
 
Not only that, but that whole betrayal-by-Judas thing was apparently a set up. Someone had to turn him in, because the whole crucifixion/resurrection/ascension thing, the whole sine qua non of Christianity, couldn't have happened without it. Judas, being Jesus's favorite disciple, was picked for this essential role.
 
Not only that, but that whole betrayal-by-Judas thing was apparently a set up. Someone had to turn him in, because the whole crucifixion/resurrection/ascension thing, the whole sine qua non of Christianity, couldn't have happened without it. Judas, being Jesus's favorite disciple, was picked for this essential role.
 
Not only that, but that whole betrayal-by-Judas thing was apparently a set up. Someone had to turn him in, because the whole crucifixion/resurrection/ascension thing, the whole sine qua non of Christianity, couldn't have happened without it. Judas, being Jesus's favorite disciple, was picked for this essential role.
 
Not only that, but that whole betrayal-by-Judas thing was apparently a set up. Someone had to turn him in, because the whole crucifixion/resurrection/ascension thing, the whole sine qua non of Christianity, couldn't have happened without it. Judas, being Jesus's favorite disciple, was picked for this essential role.
didnt jesus say to judas "friend, go do now what you must" or something along those lines right before he was arrested?
 
i think jesus's life was one big suicide-by-cop thing, theres a dozen different ways he could have gotten out of it (not th eleast of which being calling a army of angels to save him) but he totally let it all happen


Way too Hollywood...

The whole "death of the hero" thing turns a rather standard epic genre film into a really meaningful and powerful drama...

Still, a plot twist late in the third act would have been nice...

-Gumboot
 

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