ICE to Catholics: Go to Hell

[Myriad]

The Brothers of Charity, an international Catholic service order, at the group home where my brother lives have been waiting nearly a year for a Brother who was assigned to a stay at the home. That's the delay from the normally expected time for the visa to be issued. It might be significant to note the newly assigned Brother is African.

(Yes, this is about my brother's brother Brother, but if I say that you'll think I made the whole story up just to make that joke. I didn't.)

 

[Sherkeu]

I can say, as someone with family in Australia and an ex who came to live here for a time that it is difficult for Australians to get a green card (unless they meet work/education requirements and are lucky to be chosen in the diversity visa lottery of 1000 per year). They all happen to be very white. My cousin spent 2 years at University here in Nebraska. That didn't help him at all. My cousins girlfriend came out on a tourist visa and tried to switch to a student one. Nope! Go back and try again!!

I wondered if it is still that way (a few years later now) and found a story of an Australian woman, legally working in Colorado, who lost her work sponsor of many years and opened her own business. She was given 'intent to deny' renewal of her visa and had to go back after waiting and waiting. She had given all the info they requested at that point and it would cost too much to fight it ($20k or so).

Colorado Springs immigration attorney Jeff Joseph said he’s seeing the effects of the increased scrutiny, with clients who have been approved for visas multiple times getting denied as well as longer wait times because cases are so backlogged.

 

[catsmate]

I'm not taking a position on whether Trump is racist or not, but most of those "examples" were pretty tenuous and not proof of racism, and the website is obviously pushing an agenda of its own so is hardly an objective source.

Far out

If you want to show a point, that site is the worst way to do it.

So no actual response? No contradictory evidence? Just wallpaper words.
How pathetic.

 

[Craig4]

I'm not taking a position on whether Trump is racist or not, but most of those "examples" were pretty tenuous and not proof of racism, and the website is obviously pushing an agenda of its own so is hardly an objective source.

"Very Fine People".

 

[TofuFighter]

I'm not taking a position on whether Trump is racist or not, but most of those "examples" were pretty tenuous and not proof of racism, and the website is obviously pushing an agenda of its own so is hardly an objective source.

Did you think any of the examples were legitimate?
Do all 200 examples have to be legitimate in order to maybe move you to the position of deciding about whether you think trump is racist or not?

I'll say that the subject header is hyperbolic and that on the face of it this case doesn't appear to be much more than a late application for a permanent visa. This may not be a good example of the racism inherent in the trump administration.

 

[Butter!]

Trump can't be called a Racist unless he is walking around publicly in Klan-robes, we understand.

Even then, he might just be dressing up as a ghost! Why do you hate America?

 

[plague311]

OP, here's an anecdote about a priest having trouble with immigration, it must be because ICE is racist because the priest is black.
A chorus of aggreement.
A few folks asking, so how do we know?
Answer, because trump is a racist and ICE is bad.

Why not look for actual evidence instead of assertion and anecdote. Meh, why, this isn't a forum of skeptics or anything.

If you ask me, I don't just take issue with them denying him. As has been pointed out, there is a method to follow. The part that sucks is they just don't have anything to say to him at all. That's the worst part and I think anyone can agree with that. Being in a state of limbo, knowing your time is coming, and you can't get any guidance while several people are trying to help is just a straight up ******* thing to do.

So personally, it sucks what's happening to someone that seems to be a good individual.

 

[ahhell]

If you ask me, I don't just take issue with them denying him. As has been pointed out, there is a method to follow. The part that sucks is they just don't have anything to say to him at all. That's the worst part and I think anyone can agree with that. Being in a state of limbo, knowing your time is coming, and you can't get any guidance while several people are trying to help is just a straight up ******* thing to do.

So personally, it sucks what's happening to someone that seems to be a good individual.

I don't disagree, I just dislike the framing of the issue in this thread.
Its entirely possible that this sort of thing is pretty common place for clergy of all faiths and ethnicities and its entirely possible its been that way for 150 years or 70 years or 30 years. We don't know but the op seems to.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I don't disagree, I just dislike the framing of the issue in this thread.
Its entirely possible that this sort of thing is pretty common place for clergy of all faiths and ethnicities and its entirely possible its been that way for 150 years or 70 years or 30 years. We don't know but the op seems to.

Not at all. Catholics have been having trouble recruiting western priests for a while and so they have to move priests from countries that meet demand like day Ghana to countries that don't like the US. Other religions either meet demand locally better or just lack the international organization to import clergy from other countries.

This really is a uniquely catholic issue.

 

[ahhell]

Not at all. Catholics have been having trouble recruiting western priests for a while and so they have to move priests from countries that meet demand like day Ghana to countries that don't like the US. Other religions either meet demand locally better or just lack the international organization to import clergy from other countries.

This really is a uniquely catholic issue.

Kind of missed the point there but sure, its primarily a Catholic issue. Still, the story is only evidence of one priest having an issue it shows no larger pattern than that, so why is most of the discussion regarding Trump's racism?

 

[Ziggurat]

why is most of the discussion regarding Trump's racism?

That's a rhetorical question, right?

 

[ahhell]

That's a rhetorical question, right?

Yes.

 

[Ziggurat]

Yes.

Mine was too.

 

[Puppycow]

Because Trump and the subhuman goods he's installed at DHS are a bunch of filthy bigots.

While I understand the frustration with this farce of a president and an administration, I think that throwing around words like "subhuman" is counterproductive.

 

[Ziggurat]

While I understand the frustration with this farce of a president and an administration, I think that throwing around words like "subhuman" is counterproductive.

That depends on what you are trying to produce. It’s possible Craig4 is being totally productive for his goals.

 

[Trebuchet]

While I understand the frustration with this farce of a president and an administration, I think that throwing around words like "subhuman" is counterproductive.

I agree. Although "inhuman" would be not far off the mark.

 

[Giz]

I agree. Although "inhuman" would be not far off the mark.

Isn't dehumanizing people a bad thing?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Trump supporters are humans, too.

Plenty of right-wing religious nuts are convinced that Schiff, Pelosi and others are Demons in human form, though.

 

[Trebuchet]

Trump supporters are humans, too.

Plenty of right-wing religious nuts are convinced that Schiff, Pelosi and others are Demons in human form, though.

They also thought that of Obama, when he wasn't actually the anti-christ.

 

[Craig4]

While I understand the frustration with this farce of a president and an administration, I think that throwing around words like "subhuman" is counterproductive.

If you can think of a better way to dehumanize a group of people, I'd be delighted to hear it. I want Trump supporters to be the hated other.