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Split Thread ICE arrests mayor

JayUtah said:
No, you cherry-picked a few of my posts, put your spin on them, and ignored everything else. I'm finished discussing this topic with you. You are not serious.
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That is simply false.

You kept coming up with a purpose for the mayor's visit, and I pointed out how absurd your suggestion was.

Mayors of big cities do not decide one day to engage in permit inspections. They have workers who do this. People who are experts in the permit process.

This mayor clearly went to score political points for his losing campaign for governor.
 
Hercules56 said:
That is simply false.

You kept coming up with a purpose for the mayor's visit, and I pointed out how absurd your suggestion was.

Mayors of big cities do not decide one day to engage in permit inspections. They have workers who do this. People who are experts in the permit process.

This mayor clearly went to score political points for his losing campaign for governor.
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Right? We still don't know if the mayor showed the gate keeper a photo of the gate keeper's family tied up in a basement with a gun to their head or not. . .
 
thaiboxerken said:
The mayor was not trespassing. He was invited in, as was pointed out before. Stop with the lies, Hercules.
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Aw heck, I see I'm not keeping up. I thought the mayor really was trespassing. Hoped he was.

Oh well, the ICEboys came through, heroically arresting the mayor with as much prejudice as they dared. The vid I saw seemed to show the congressmen getting pushed around too, but maybe that was me being overoptimistic.

I hope I can be excused; good news is so damn hard to come by nowadays.
 
Mojo said:
When you said that the fact that he was arrested for trespassing means that he was trespassing. It was in the post I quoted.
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The mayor is guilty of trespassing based on speculative evidence that Hercules pulled from between the cheeks.
 
Hercules56 said:
They have no authority to actually engage in building inspection. This is a absurd argument you are making.

Not sure why you persist with it.
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Mmm. By the look of things, this is about as absurd as demanding that office workers wear hard hats, gloves, and safety glasses any time that they work with paper documents, which seems to be in line with what your argument against JayUtah involves. Unless I'm missing something, the permit inspection in question would normally be, in short, inspecting that they have the necessary permit and that the permits are valid. That's well within the authority of a relevant city official, which the mayor certainly would be. That's different than doing the inspection that would grant the permit in the first place, which is what you seem to be trying to argue that the mayor cannot possibly be qualified to do.
 
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Another factor, perhaps less relevant than it used to be, but:

If you're a black city politician in the USA, you damn well better get yourself arrested -- as publically and theatrically as you can -- protesting something. That's part of your bona fides with POC voters.

And with me, by god.
 
Mojo said:
When you said that the fact that he was arrested for trespassing means that he was trespassing. It was in the post I quoted.
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No, but there is clearly probable cause that he committed the crime of trespassing. Otherwise he would not have pleaded Not Guilty.
 
sackett said:
Another factor, perhaps less relevant than it used to be, but:

If you're a black city politician in the USA, you damn well better get yourself arrested -- as publically and theatrically as you can -- protesting something. That's part of your bona fides with POC voters.

And with me, by god.
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That is what Hercules56 is trying to say was the mayor's plan here. His arguments rather seem to lack depth, though. It would be surprising if the mayor didn't use the event to his advantage, of course.
 
Aridas said:
That is what Hercules56 is trying to say was the mayor's plan here. His arguments rather seem to lack depth, though. It would be surprising if the mayor didn't use the event to his advantage, of course.
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Oohoo, didnt he just, and won't he plenty more! He stood at Armageddon and did battle for the Lord!

Here's material for spread-eagle oratory into the next decade.

If necessary, although we all hope it won't take that long.
 
Hercules56 said:
Ok, he has no authority to inspect a building period. He's not an inspector. He's not, Trump is not, most municipal officers are not.
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Are you speaking here from authority, as in municipal experience, or are you guessing? I suspect the latter. I rather suspect that if the mayor thinks the inspectors are not doing their job sufficiently he might very well have the authority to inspect their work.
 
Hercules56 said:
No, but there is clearly probable cause that he committed the crime of trespassing. Otherwise he would not have pleaded Not Guilty.
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So you're saying that if there was NOT clear probable cause, he would have pleaded GUILTY? If I read this correctly, it's the stupidest ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ thing you've ever posted! And that's saying a lot!
 
bruto said:
Are you speaking here from authority, as in municipal experience, or are you guessing? I suspect the latter. I rather suspect that if the mayor thinks the inspectors are not doing their job sufficiently he might very well have the authority to inspect their work.
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Mayors do not do that, especially in big cities like Newark. They do not suddenly take over the work that has been regularly delegated to lower level employees. Unless you think President Biden or Obama or Bush sometimes did the work of regular old workers at one of their many executive agencies. Its simply not done.
 
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