I Won The Challenge And Randi Refused To Pay

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Nine pages in less than four days. I've never seen anything like it at JREF Forum.

Other than being colorful in more ways than one, why is this thread getting so much attention?

I don't get it...

Are skeptics this insecure?

Or does everyone like playing whack-a-troll so much? :troll:
 
That Was Not Me

Why don't you scan those documents where the procedure was agreed upon and post them here? A copy of your application and the receipt showing where it was received by JREF would also lend support to your claim.

Frankly, your credulity is a bit suspect.

ETA:

I see where you did indeed submit an application. Someone already linked the thread where you discussed your application with Kramer. There was obviously never an agreement, Dr. Ward. Your claim that there was one is merely another of your flawed interpretations.

And to answer your question, a simple definition is "an occurrance that is contrary to the known laws of science". Forcing interpretations cannot in any way be said to be paranormal.

For the record - never heard of Alan Ward - that was NOT me....

The level of detail provided in PROVING that The Supernatural Creator of The Universe, Wrote THE BEST SELLING BOOK in the entire History of mankind, was unprecedented...

The Prophecies of JESUS CHRIST alone are SPECTACULAR and His Life fulfilled them...

In any event, my Claim was in Three Parts...you have only seen a tiny snippet of the First Part...the Second Part is scheduled to be posted when "The Prophetic Second" has Ticked...

Enough to say it drawing very close...

Also, for the Record, i cannot PREDICT when The Lord is going to Reveal a Future Event - it just HAPPENS...and then, it's only AFTER the historical event has transpired that the prophecy can then be scrutinised.

True Prophecy has a deeper purpose than just the revealing of a future event.

All that "modern science" can ever do is dismally lag behind in the slipstream of The LORD God, barely scraping the surface of the currently known Creation.

Everything that "scientists" think they know today, will become Obselete when JESUS Returns for the Second Time.

Remember He was Seen and Recorded by Faithful Witnesses WALKING ON WATER, Changing Water to Wine, Raising The Dead, Healing The Sick by TOUCH, and transmuting small quantites of food matter into a fast feast with a large surplus, Recovering Control and Complete Possession AGAIN of His mutilated and murdered Physical Body, and was LAST SEEN, by over 500 Faithful Witnesses, with TWO ANGELS IN WHITE (Real Physical beings) ASCENDING BACK TO HEAVEN on board a "cloud"...

If you doubt this, what year is this NOW?

Who is the MOST famous Name in all of History?

What is THE MOST PUBLISHED AND TRANSLATED Book of ALL TIME?

Seek and ye shall surely Find?

Disbelieve and your search is futile...

JESUS is God - and so he CAN and DID Do All and More than The Most Holy Bible Truly Records...The Most Holy Bible is The Tip of The Vast Mountain of Church History..

Open your eyes....

This Supernatural Revelation is PRECISELY what the incredulous Randi is seeking....It's been in front of his glazed eyes ALL HIS LIFE....Amen

Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing:
but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
 
Nine pages in less than four days. I've never seen anything like it at JREF Forum.

Other than being colorful in more ways than one, why is this thread getting so much attention?

I don't get it...

Are skeptics this insecure?

Or does everyone like playing whack-a-troll so much? :troll:

Because Elijah777 is basically the same troll type as 1inChrist (look at how big some of his threads got) and somewhat similar to kilik and mayday.

One reason these threads get so big is that they usually break down into mini TRSOTTTWND's with conversations between posters that have little to do with the thread title (and recipies/ pictures of cats.)
Another is that their highly provocative while lacking in arguments.
 
For the record - never heard of Alan Ward - that was NOT me....

The level of detail provided in PROVING that The Supernatural Creator of The Universe, Wrote THE BEST SELLING BOOK in the entire History of mankind, was unprecedented...

The Prophecies of JESUS CHRIST alone are SPECTACULAR and His Life fulfilled them...

In any event, my Claim was in Three Parts...you have only seen a tiny snippet of the First Part...the Second Part is scheduled to be posted when "The Prophetic Second" has Ticked...

Enough to say it drawing very close...

Also, for the Record, i cannot PREDICT when The Lord is going to Reveal a Future Event - it just HAPPENS...and then, it's only AFTER the historical event has transpired that the prophecy can then be scrutinised.

True Prophecy has a deeper purpose than just the revealing of a future event.

All that "modern science" can ever do is dismally lag behind in the slipstream of The LORD God, barely scraping the surface of the currently known Creation.

Everything that "scientists" think they know today, will become Obselete when JESUS Returns for the Second Time.

Remember He was Seen and Recorded by Faithful Witnesses WALKING ON WATER, Changing Water to Wine, Raising The Dead, Healing The Sick by TOUCH, and transmuting small quantites of food matter into a fast feast with a large surplus, Recovering Control and Complete Possession AGAIN of His mutilated and murdered Physical Body, and was LAST SEEN, by over 500 Faithful Witnesses, with TWO ANGELS IN WHITE (Real Physical beings) ASCENDING BACK TO HEAVEN on board a "cloud"...

If you doubt this, what year is this NOW?

Who is the MOST famous Name in all of History?

What is THE MOST PUBLISHED AND TRANSLATED Book of ALL TIME?

Seek and ye shall surely Find?

Disbelieve and your search is futile...

JESUS is God - and so he CAN and DID Do All and More than The Most Holy Bible Truly Records...The Most Holy Bible is The Tip of The Vast Mountain of Church History..

Open your eyes....

This Supernatural Revelation is PRECISELY what the incredulous Randi is seeking....It's been in front of his glazed eyes ALL HIS LIFE....Amen
Proverbs 25:2
It is the glory of God to conceal a thing:
but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.


More bla-bla-bla.

Fame etc. don't evidence make.

 
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Also, for the Record, i cannot PREDICT when The Lord is going to Reveal a Future Event - it just HAPPENS...and then, it's only AFTER the historical event has transpired that the prophecy can then be scrutinised.
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Thank you, Elijah777, for proving again your complete misunderstanding of the Challenge.

Thank you, Elijah777, for showing that you have no intent - or ability - to predict anything.

Thank you, Elijah777, for honouring the First Commandment Of Forum Interaction:
"Thouth shalth noth wasteth bandwidth."
(Ok, I predict this will not happen. You will post until getting banned for repeated breaches of your Membership Agreement. Hihi, I said "member".)
 
I never made it through "Meaning Of Life" - if you refer to the Monty Python movie. "Family Guy" makes lots of cultural references. It forms an integral part of the show.

Critics may call this technique "stealing" or not very creative. (I wonder what Jay Sherman thinks.)
I consider it a bow before the creations of other artists. It shows respect for your fellow men - when applied tastefully. Like a rusty trombone.

One more quote from Stewie Griffin, the baby boy on "Family Guy":

"Stewie (to one of the prostitutes at Cleveland's house):
So, is there any tread left on the tires? Or at this point would it be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?"

Yep Python, I am a diehard fan. The movie is quite difficult to get through, going from hilarious (every sperm is sacred/the Galaxy Song)to absolutlely weird (I have never understood the "find the fish" scene). I have no problem with cultural references, heck Dennis Miller's career is founded on them, as long as they are clever. The greatest comedy of all time is dotted with references of the pop culture of the appropriate era (Rowan Atkinson's Black Adder, in my less than humble opinion). Atkinson's "welcoming new arrivals to hell" is also brilliant, and a speech that all of us are going to hear, including Elijah ("Christians, are you here? Ah yes, well I'm sorry but the Jews were right.").
 
Yep Python, I am a diehard fan. The movie is quite difficult to get through, going from hilarious (every sperm is sacred/the Galaxy Song)to absolutlely weird (I have never understood the "find the fish" scene). I have no problem with cultural references, heck Dennis Miller's career is founded on them, as long as they are clever. The greatest comedy of all time is dotted with references of the pop culture of the appropriate era (Rowan Atkinson's Black Adder, in my less than humble opinion). Atkinson's "welcoming new arrivals to hell" is also brilliant, and a speech that all of us are going to hear, including Elijah ("Christians, are you here? Ah yes, well I'm sorry but the Jews were right.").

To get Monty Python's or Mr. Bean's humour it seems helpful to possess a bunch of british/anglo-saxon genes, let's say, at least three pounds.

I like Monty Python's originality and their sense for hiding pearls of wisdom under piles of absurdity. But I find their work not asthetically pleasing enough - nevertheless I assume it's not meant to be.

Perhaps I was raised with different influences. More Lö-Bräu. (If you can tell me where I took that last reference from, you da man.)
 
"Good evening. As I'm sure the brighter of you have realised, this is Hell, and I am the Devil. Now we have- will you stop screaming???

Thank you."

I love that sketch. And it makes sense that if the devil exists, he'll have English manners. :p
 
Elijah777 said:
Recovering Control and Complete Possession AGAIN of His mutilated and murdered Physical Body, and was LAST SEEN, by over 500 Faithful Witnesses, with TWO ANGELS IN WHITE (Real Physical beings) ASCENDING BACK TO HEAVEN on board a "cloud"...

Do you have the names of these 500 witnesses? Surely a percentage of them were literate and passed on this "truth" to the ages, right? . . . no? . . .
 
Another Section Of The Claim Revelation

For the growing Record, below is another small section from the Filed Claim Document that will be cited in court as meeting and fulfilling the Accepted Challenge Criteria, in my particluar case.

Also, for the Record, as a Confirmed prophet of The Lord, not only do i include the Claim material below for public viewing now, it is hereby IRREVOCABLY stated for the Record, that the below snippet is NOT an "interpretation" open to ridicule and conjecture, it is a CONFIRMED PROPHETIC TRANSLATION REVELATION, of a piece of Powerful Recent History, Prophesied around AD 96 and mostly fulfilled during the 20th Century.

In fact, the main foundation of this entire Treatise Reveals that vast amounts of hitherto, unexplainable Prophetic Writings in the Old and New Testament, Saw their Major Fulfillment DURING The Twentieth Century.

Now, in the 21st Century, the focus is becoming SHARPER - Amen



Revelation, Chapter 8, Vs.7, 8 & 9

7. The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of the trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

8. And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of sea became blood;

9. And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.


Since this Treatise deals with Prophecies that have been recently fulfilled, we nearly always look at this century for indicators of prophetic fulfillment. Let's see what St.John is saying here. It is very important not to conclude that each process he describes actually brings about the the next result; rather, we conclude that he is chronicling a list of subjects, some related and some not, that occur within the proposed time frame.

"and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood," This first prophetic statement, covers the massive aerial bombing campaigns of all recent. modern wars. The hail is the rain of bombs dropping on people, hence the "fire, mingled with blood", "and they were cast upon the earth". The hail is the bombs and the cast is the dropping of the bombs. (plus also the bombs were "cast" upon the earth, using an alternative definition of "cast" as in moulded from metal: This is the prophetic beauty of the English language and its many intricate meanings)

Now look at these words: "and the third part of trees was burnt up". This century has experienced the worst non stop cases of global deforestation ever witnessed in the history of mankind. Most of these trees were burnt up, although "burnt up" can also be understood as a metaphor for the general destruction of trees, by cutting down, etc. It may well be that nearly a third of the world's trees have already been destroyed, but who can count them? The Lord of course - and we therefore conclude that nearly a third have been destroyed, for one reason or another, hence this prophetic section being all but fulfilled.

"and all green grass was burnt up". Well, it is clear that all green grass has not been burnt up, and, hopefully, never will be. When we come across an anomaly like this we must look deeper for the meaning. Since, in the first section of the prophecy "hail, fire blood", are clearly a reference to bombing campaigns, we have war as an introductory theme. In the esoteric world of prophetic wording, it is not uncommon for certain words to be used as similes and metaphors. We contend that "green" here means young, fresh, new, naive, ignorant, even innocent to some extent.

We further reveal, as is not uncommon in scripture, that "grass" refers to people. Hence we have a certain kind of ignorant, young group of people being burnt up.

Our Revelation in this context is simply that St.John refers to all the soldiers that were killed in so many wars gone by, although it was a certain kind of soldier "green" that died, hence, all of them, in that "green" category were destined for death, by virtue of this Prophecy; this brings us to a more spiritual point that perhaps, a large number of "green" souls have been sent to earth specially to die in wars. A metaphysical viewpoint to explain how so many millions of young men and women, unquestioning in their choices, just went straight to their deaths in battle for Freedom. Almost as if they were brainwashed and ignored the fact they were going to die. This understanding would fully translate the use of the word "green grass" and we therefore reveal this as what is actually meant in this section of the Prophecy.

Alternatively, this translation, in the face of no other plausible alternative, is, by virtue of itself, a prophecy in its own right!

"And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea:" As stated at the beginning of this Treatise, this author feels a certain authority in exposing the hidden meanings of certain prophecies, based on numerous past experiences, with "visions and dreams coming to pass already". In this regard, as the reader can discover in Author's Personal Testimonies, this author is what the secular world would describe as a natural clairvoyant, or psychic, with the gifts of divination and prophecy emerging at an early age. NB : However, due to the fact that most clairvoyants and psychics are antichrist, this "definition" of this author's gift is refuted, as this author Loves and Serves The Lord JESUS Christ, annulling the secular definition ENTIRELY.

Now, because of the time frame we study in, (late 1990s), the author has the benefit of modern pictorial technology to refer to, plus a very rich recent litany of events in modern history to draw from as references.

When looking at St.John's wording at the start of this paragraph, only one event appears in sharp focus: The American underwater nuclear explosion test in the south pacific around Bikini Atoll, when that literal "mountain" of water exploded and was photographed and replayed thousands of times since the early fifties. It is this that St.John also "saw". The great mountain being the nuclear bomb, burning with fire in the sea, casting high into the air "craggy peaks" of exploding white water. This image is crystal clear to this author!

http://www.CONSTELLATION7.ORG/SeaMountains/SeaMountain.jpg

"and the third part of the sea became blood". In understanding what is meant here, we turn to another famous 20th century phenomena, that of "oil slicks" and oil pollution in general.

When Saddam Hussein turned on the oil taps from Kuwait into the Persian Gulf, and the oil lapped at the beaches of that area, it became clear what St.John was seeing. The thick oil on water looks like blood. When blood has been released and congeals it turns almost black, not bright red. A perfect description of oil slicks that have plagued our seas worldwide ever since we first started drawing the oil from the earth. Additionally, the marine phenomena known as "red tides", also only recently understood, further fulfills this Prophecy and again pinpoints our current time frame!

"and the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died;" This reference is very clear when we look at the near extinction of some species of whales and dolphins, and is made all the more obvious when that understanding is correlated to the massive overfishing mankind has exercised this century and last century. Again, no one but the Lord has counted all the creatures in the sea, but we Reveal that a good third have been destroyed by whaling and fishing industries. Just recently, the cod disappeared from the North West Atlantic. They used to visit the coasts of Canada in that region in such abundance, the ships came back daily weighed down with colossal catches; then, early in the 1990s, they literally vanished, causing the collapse of local towns and villages, that were supported by that fishing industry, so much so, that all fishing in that region has been banned for at least 10 years to try and stimulate the recovery of the once abundant shoals. A very clear fulfillment of prophecy indeed. Japanese drift net fishing is but one of many other examples of this Prophecy undergoing fulfillment.

"and the third part of the ships were destroyed"; Now, since we are always building and launching ships, this is a difficult prophecy to assess, therefore, we look back at the original theme of WW1 & WW2, and that particular period of modern history. It is clear that massive destruction of ships was a large feature of these wars, and, again, we reveal that certainly, at its peak, a third of the total number of ships (including submarines) in that era were definitely destroyed in the Great Wars, and it was this event that St.John is referring to.
 
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For the growing Record, below is another small section from the Filed Claim Document that will be cited in court as meeting and fulfilling the Accepted Challenge Criteria, in my particluar case.

Also, for the Record, as a Confirmed prophet of The Lord, not only do i include the Claim material below for public viewing now, it is hereby IRREVOCABLY stated for the Record, that the below snippet is NOT an "interpretation" open to ridicule and conjecture, it is a CONFIRMED PROPHETIC TRANSLATION REVELATION, of a piece of Powerful Recent History, Prophesied around AD 96 and mostly fulfilled during the 20th Century.

In fact, the main foundation of this entire Treatise Reveals that vast amounts of hitherto, unexplainable Prophetic Writings in the Old and New Testament, Saw their Major Fulfillment DURING The Twentieth Century.

Now, in the 21st Century, the focus is becoming SHARPER - Amen
Revelation, Chapter 8, Vs.7, 8 & 9

7. The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of the trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

8. And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of sea became blood;

9. And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.


Since this Treatise deals with Prophecies that have been recently fulfilled, we nearly always look at this century for indicators of prophetic fulfillment. Let's see what St.John is saying here. It is very important not to conclude that each process he describes actually brings about the the next result; rather, we conclude that he is chronicling a list of subjects, some related and some not, that occur within the proposed time frame.

"and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood," This first prophetic statement, covers the massive aerial bombing campaigns of all recent. modern wars. The hail is the rain of bombs dropping on people, hence the "fire, mingled with blood", "and they were cast upon the earth". The hail is the bombs and the cast is the dropping of the bombs. (plus also the bombs were "cast" upon the earth, using an alternative definition of "cast" as in moulded from metal: This is the prophetic beauty of the English language and its many intricate meanings)

Now look at these words: "and the third part of trees was burnt up". This century has experienced the worst non stop cases of global deforestation ever witnessed in the history of mankind. Most of these trees were burnt up, although "burnt up" can also be understood as a metaphor for the general destruction of trees, by cutting down, etc. It may well be that nearly a third of the world's trees have already been destroyed, but who can count them? The Lord of course - and we therefore conclude that nearly a third have been destroyed, for one reason or another, hence this prophetic section being all but fulfilled.

"and all green grass was burnt up". Well, it is clear that all green grass has not been burnt up, and, hopefully, never will be. When we come across an anomaly like this we must look deeper for the meaning. Since, in the first section of the prophecy "hail, fire blood", are clearly a reference to bombing campaigns, we have war as an introductory theme. In the esoteric world of prophetic wording, it is not uncommon for certain words to be used as similes and metaphors. We contend that "green" here means young, fresh, new, naive, ignorant, even innocent to some extent.

We further reveal, as is not uncommon in scripture, that "grass" refers to people. Hence we have a certain kind of ignorant, young group of people being burnt up.

Our Revelation in this context is simply that St.John refers to all the soldiers that were killed in so many wars gone by, although it was a certain kind of soldier "green" that died, hence, all of them, in that "green" category were destined for death, by virtue of this Prophecy; this brings us to a more spiritual point that perhaps, a large number of "green" souls have been sent to earth specially to die in wars. A metaphysical viewpoint to explain how so many millions of young men and women, unquestioning in their choices, just went straight to their deaths in battle for Freedom. Almost as if they were brainwashed and ignored the fact they were going to die. This understanding would fully translate the use of the word "green grass" and we therefore reveal this as what is actually meant in this section of the Prophecy.

Alternatively, this translation, in the face of no other plausible alternative, is, by virtue of itself, a prophecy in its own right!

"And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea:" As stated at the beginning of this Treatise, this author feels a certain authority in exposing the hidden meanings of certain prophecies, based on numerous past experiences, with "visions and dreams coming to pass already".
In this regard, as the reader can discover in Author's Personal Testimonies, this author is what the secular world would describe as a natural clairvoyant, or psychic, with the gifts of divination and prophecy emerging at an early age. NB : However, due to the fact that most clairvoyants and psychics are antichrist, this "definition" of this author's gift is refuted, as this author Loves and Serves The Lord JESUS Christ, annulling the secular definition ENTIRELY.

Now, because of the time frame we study in, (late 1990s), the author has the benefit of modern pictorial technology to refer to, plus a very rich recent litany of events in modern history to draw from as references.

When looking at St.John's wording at the start of this paragraph, only one event appears in sharp focus: The American underwater nuclear explosion test in the south pacific around Bikini Atoll, when that literal "mountain" of water exploded and was photographed and replayed thousands of times since the early fifties. It is this that St.John also "saw". The great mountain being the nuclear bomb, burning with fire in the sea, casting high into the air "craggy peaks" of exploding white water. This image is crystal clear to this author!

http://www.CONSTELLATION7.ORG/SeaMountains/SeaMountain.jpg

"and the third part of the sea became blood". In understanding what is meant here, we turn to another famous 20th century phenomena, that of "oil slicks" and oil pollution in general.

When Saddam Hussein turned on the oil taps from Kuwait into the Persian Gulf, and the oil lapped at the beaches of that area, it became clear what St.John was seeing. The thick oil on water looks like blood. When blood has been released and congeals it turns almost black, not bright red. A perfect description of oil slicks that have plagued our seas worldwide ever since we first started drawing the oil from the earth. Additionally, the marine phenomena known as "red tides", also only recently understood, further fulfills this Prophecy and again pinpoints our current time frame!

"and the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died;" This reference is very clear when we look at the near extinction of some species of whales and dolphins, and is made all the more obvious when that understanding is correlated to the massive overfishing mankind has exercised this century and last century. Again, no one but the Lord has counted all the creatures in the sea, but we Reveal that a good third have been destroyed by whaling and fishing industries. Just recently, the cod disappeared from the North West Atlantic. They used to visit the coasts of Canada in that region in such abundance, the ships came back daily weighed down with colossal catches; then, early in the 1990s, they literally vanished, causing the collapse of local towns and villages, that were supported by that fishing industry, so much so, that all fishing in that region has been banned for at least 10 years to try and stimulate the recovery of the once abundant shoals. A very clear fulfillment of prophecy indeed. Japanese drift net fishing is but one of many other examples of this Prophecy undergoing fulfillment.

"and the third part of the ships were destroyed"; Now, since we are always building and launching ships, this is a difficult prophecy to assess, therefore, we look back at the original theme of WW1 & WW2, and that particular period of modern history. It is clear that massive destruction of ships was a large feature of these wars, and, again, we reveal that certainly, at its peak, a third of the total number of ships (including submarines) in that era were definitely destroyed in the Great Wars, and it was this event that St.John is referring to.


Still not evidence of a paranormal event. My prediction? You'll get laughed out of court.
 
Wow, ten pages in this thread, and all because of one hopelessly deluded, mentally unstable troll.

One can't help but think there are worthy threads out there getting ignored and falling off the front page, while this one draws so much attention.

But, here I am, falling for it as well!
 
To quote another favorite English film of mine "He's makin' it up as he goes along!".

The cod did not disappear, they were overfished into "threatened" status, as was tracked for several decades. All fishing is not, and never has been banned. Only cod fishing and the taking of porpoises are restricted on the Grand Banks, and the only complete ban is on recreational cod fishing, not commercial. The greatest problem continues to be overfishing in areas beyond Canada's control. "Lord dyin' jesus by, don't mess with a maritimer!"

Then again, as people have so frequently pointed out to you, none of this is prophecy. This is taking an event and then going hunting for some verse that fits it, putting the chicken before the egg (you see lad, you have to say it BEFORE the event to be prophetic, similar to a premonotion, it doesn't work well after the fact). The Nostradamus true believers do the exact same thing, with about the exact same accuracy, none.

I'll say this, this prophecy is worth just as much as the Hitler one. Another 4 or 5 million like these and you'll have a good dollar's worth.
 
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