I will abandon CD hypothesis if...

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Sunder addressed it in the Q&A part of the presentation:



See the transcript for any further thermite discussion (if there is any).

Because what thermite does is actually it melts the steel. So somebody has to keep pushing it so that the thermite continues to be sticking to the steel, this vertical column, until it actually collapses.

To bad that NIST has no Idea how thermite powered oxygen cutters work, and prove it in that sentence.

What a freaking Joke that is, it is because I understand Dr. Joneses work so well that I was able to point out so many flaws in it.

I agree with much that NIST states however that is a joke on them and CTers are going to jump all over it!

If you asked me thermite powered oxygen cutters are not involved because simply there is no credible evidence of their usage, none, Nada, zipola.

Thermal expansion is a recognized force, it can cause a bridge to collapse and it is one of the results that I expected from NIST because of Mark Ferran's work as he points it out.

NIST seems to be more debunking than Science, I feel revisions might be helpful, in some aspects.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

What?

Lets just say that personally a couple of people have expressed reservations over the fact that I did not leave when Apollo20 was banned and leave it at that.

 

[mrbaracuda]

To bad that NIST has no Idea how thermite powered oxygen cutters work, and prove it in that sentence.

Oh I wouldn't be surprised if they did, but can you show us what thermite powered oxygen cutters look like and how they work or link to a thread where you have shown this?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Oh I wouldn't be surprised if they did, but can you show us what thermite powered oxygen cutters look like and how they work or link to a thread where you have shown this?

Yes I could, however since I am filing a patent on my own device, at this time I am reluctant to do so.

The basic technology is similar to a cutting torch or lance, using oxygen to heat steel then applying a burst of high pressure oxygen to combust the steel.

The critical temperature is the temperature at which the protective oxide melts and the steel, Fe and CO, reacts with the oxygen stream.

The Key to building such a device is to minimize the thermite charge to only that necessary to start the oxidation process and use the steel as the fuel to continue the heating of said steel to the combustion-Oxidation temperature.

I have built three working devices so far, two have to have the oxidant remain frozen before usage and one based on an Idea I received from R. Mackey, does not but is less efficient.
I am working on refining the Idea so a successful patent can be derived for a non intelligent remote cutting device.

 

[DC]

Yes I could, however since I am filing a patent on my own device, at this time I am reluctant to do so.

The basic technology is similar to a cutting torch or lance, using oxygen to heat steel then applying a burst of high pressure oxygen to combust the steel.

The critical temperature is the temperature at which the protective oxide melts and the steel, Fe and CO, reacts with the oxygen stream.

The Key to building such a device is to minimize the thermite charge to only that necessary to start the oxidation process and use the steel as the fuel to continue the heating of said steel to the combustion-Oxidation temperature.

I have built three working devices so far, two have to have the oxidant remain frozen before usage and one based on an Idea I received from R. Mackey, does not but is less efficient.
I am working on refining the Idea so a successful patent can be derived for a non intelligent remote cutting device.

sounds interesting.
good luck and alot lot succes with it

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

sounds interesting.
good luck and alot lot succes with it

Thank you, your comments are appreciated.

One thing I should mention and forgot to mention is the devices have to be strongly bolted or clamped to the steel to be cut, your talking about a very fast and strong process, so marks are left by the clamps or bolts as well as distortions, from the cutting oxygen jets.

With bottled oxygen the device has to be segmented into chambers and charged as well as sealed to with a gasket at the metal interface prior to ignition, all this leaves physical evidence that should be apparent in photos.
Yet none is shown, that is a contradiction with the physical laws that govern the universe, there should be bolt holes, or clamp marks on the surface of the steel columns, however there is none.

Controlled demolition is impossible because the physical evidence does not support it in this universe.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

I believe, CC, that if thermite were used, you'd also not see so many beams show failure at their connection points, but rather show cuts at areas corresponding to wherever such supposed devices would have been installed. I'd think incendiaries arguments would be contradicted by that old "30 foot segments" argument, wouldn't you?

 

[BenBurch]

I believe, CC, that if thermite were used, you'd also not see so many beams show failure at their connection points, but rather show cuts at areas corresponding to wherever such supposed devices would have been installed. I'd think incendiaries arguments would be contradicted by that old "30 foot segments" argument, wouldn't you?

Correct. What we see are the bolts, seats and welds that have failed, no mid-beam failures that look like a thermite burn.

 

[mrbaracuda]

Okay CC, after reading this, I think it's highly improbable that method was used either.
And, well, even if NIST had addressed the therm*te crap, the truthers would have cried foul anyway.

If in the US troofer it's anything like the German troofer forum I was in trying to discuss forums the report a little, they're insane anyway.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I believe, CC, that if thermite were used, you'd also not see so many beams show failure at their connection points, but rather show cuts at areas corresponding to wherever such supposed devices would have been installed. I'd think incendiaries arguments would be contradicted by that old "30 foot segments" argument, wouldn't you?

If thermite powered oxygen cutters were used you would know it in an instant from just one photo of one Column, the distortion and effect is that pronounced the Column would look like it had been heated and hammered on the end toward the hollow interior side squashed inward so to speak.

The reaction has to be quick and violent not intelligent and controlled, Attachment marks have to exist, the device has to have had a physical presence in the physical universe just as explosives, do.

In one of my devices using hydrogen peroxide as the oxidant, which by the way I am abandoning do to the danger involved in using concentrated hydrogen peroxide, the entire surface of the cut area was literally fused solid into a lump of mostly Fe3O4 in a mushroom shape. The heat produced was such that a six foot section of I beam was melted and deformed.

Your basically talking attaching a rocket like device on a piece of metal the attachment points have to be strong enough to resist the force of the Jet produced by the reactants in the length of time the device operates.

Heating the of the metal the device is attached to causes clamp marks to be left in the metal cut, the device is destroyed eventually but the used of an oxygen jet prolongs the device by producing the heat directly at the steels surface if the oxygen supply is fast and powerful enough in theory any thickness of steel can be cut.

The oxygen helps to cool the device and absorb the heat, as well as a large portion of it being conducted away by the steel itself.

Sorry I can not say much more without jeopardizing the patentability of my Idea.

 

[Horatius]

Also I believe my presence on JERF is no longer welcomed by some.

But it is welcomed by others. I'm glad to see that this 9/11 nonsense has inspired you go go out and learn about these sorts of devices you're now looking to patent. So even out of something as pointless as 9/11 CTs, a creative individual can produce something valuable.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

But it is welcomed by others. I'm glad to see that this 9/11 nonsense has inspired you go go out and learn about these sorts of devices you're now looking to patent. So even out of something as pointless as 9/11 CTs, a creative individual can produce something valuable.

I would already have it patented, but the patent to produce oil from old oil leases is more valuable, and interesting development from my 9/11 research was a way to produce up to between 20-30 percent more oil from worn out oil fields, it was just an accidental discovery in my back yard.
That is possibly my trillion dollar Idea, I owe it all to Dr. Joneses not understanding his own theories as well as he should have.

 

[Hokulele]

I would already have it patented, but the patent to produce oil from old oil leases is more valuable, and interesting development from my 9/11 research was a way to produce up to between 20-30 percent more oil from worn out oil fields, it was just an accidental discovery in my back yard.

That is possibly my trillion dollar Idea, I owe it all to Dr. Joneses not understanding his own theories as well as he should have.

Good luck!

Maybe it is possible to make a silk purse from a sow's ear. Hopefully, a very full silk purse.

 

[Myriad]

I would already have it patented, but the patent to produce oil from old oil leases is more valuable, and interesting development from my 9/11 research was a way to produce up to between 20-30 percent more oil from worn out oil fields, it was just an accidental discovery in my back yard.
That is possibly my trillion dollar Idea, I owe it all to Dr. Joneses not understanding his own theories as well as he should have.

Making money on patents is tough, but if you have a way to make additional oil extraction from tapped-out fields economical, you deserve to make a fortune!

Maybe with your second billion, you can set up that full-scale model test of a plane crashing into a wtc tower the truthers have been clamoring for. Invite any truthers who are certain that collapse from collision damage and fire isn't possible to monitor the test from the model tower's observation deck.

And by the way, I'm offended by the idea of people engaging in covert "unwelcoming" of members who follow the MA. If this is just people being a little too zealous in disagreeing with your point of view, then ignore it, but if it reaches the level of abuse please take it to the moderators or admins. If it's happening to you it's probably happening to others, and it should be stopped.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[beachnut]

Because what thermite does is actually it melts the steel. So somebody has to keep pushing it so that the thermite continues to be sticking to the steel, this vertical column, until it actually collapses.

To bad that NIST has no Idea how thermite powered oxygen cutters work, and prove it in that sentence.

What a freaking Joke that is, it is because I understand Dr. Joneses work so well that I was able to point out so many flaws in it.

I agree with much that NIST states however that is a joke on them and CTers are going to jump all over it!

If you asked me thermite powered oxygen cutters are not involved because simply there is no credible evidence of their usage, none, Nada, zipola.

Thermal expansion is a recognized force, it can cause a bridge to collapse and it is one of the results that I expected from NIST because of Mark Ferran's work as he points it out.

NIST seems to be more debunking than Science, I feel revisions might be helpful, in some aspects.

NIST is correct, a pile of thermite, standard thermite would have to be pushed against the column to remain in contact and transfer heat. You can make fun of them but your ideas are at a different level of abstraction.

 

[beachnut]

he adresse Thermite but not "themite induced oxygen cutting devices" or the Thermite Linear Cuting device.

Because they are not viable ideas. Notice they left out DEW, and nukes, and other insane ideas. Insane because there is no evidence, not because they are not possible means to destroy stuff.

But CC has explained why they are not viable.

 

[LashL]

Lets just say that personally a couple of people have expressed reservations over the fact that I did not leave when Apollo20 was banned and leave it at that.

Don't you dare leave! Many of us worry, when you take extended breaks from posting, that you've blown yourself up or otherwise injured yourself so it is always a relief to see you posting again. It is always interesting - nigh fascinating - to read your posts, too. Why anyone would think you should "leave" the forum because of what Apollo20 did to get himself banned is beyond me and, frankly, it sounds juvenile on the part of whoever thought you should leave.

Yes I could, however since I am filing a patent on my own device, at this time I am reluctant to do so.

See? Like I said, your posts are always interesting. Good luck with your patent.

Controlled demolition is impossible because the physical evidence does not support it in this universe.

Indeed.

 

[Drs_Res]

Ditto LashL's post.

 

[pomeroo]

I would already have it patented, but the patent to produce oil from old oil leases is more valuable, and interesting development from my 9/11 research was a way to produce up to between 20-30 percent more oil from worn out oil fields, it was just an accidental discovery in my back yard.
That is possibly my trillion dollar Idea, I owe it all to Dr. Joneses not understanding his own theories as well as he should have.

CC, why would anyone want you to leave? Don't even think of it!

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

NIST is correct, a pile of thermite, standard thermite would have to be pushed against the column to remain in contact and transfer heat. You can make fun of them but your ideas are at a different level of abstraction.

I laugh at them because they could have done a much better job, of explaining why thermite oxygen cutting would not work, I even emailed NIST about it, Before the report came out.
They probably never read the Email, truthers will jump all over this, it will look like NIST is trying to cover things up.
Dr. Jones and his group will now put out a reply to NIST stating that NIST is either lying or covering up for the CD, because they did not test Thermite powered oxygen cutters, I expect Dr. Jones now to come up with a crude working device and demonstrate it on tour, and in an INTERNET videos.

If such happens as I expect it will we will have a new round of trutherism inflicted on us.

This is not the end of the truth movement only the begining of a new wave of stupid.