I will abandon CD hypothesis if...

[applecorped]

When the truth is found
to be lies
and all the joy
within you dies

don't you want some body to love?

 

[SDC]

Excuse me, gotta run, quick load Jefferson Airplane Takes Off on the iPod (added Jimi Hendrix, Paul Butterfield, and Blood Sweat and Tears last week), thanks for the reminder, Applecorped...

 

[DavidJames]

Excuse me, gotta run, quick load Jefferson Airplane Takes Off on the iPod (added Jimi Hendrix, Paul Butterfield, and Blood Sweat and Tears last week), thanks for the reminder, Applecorped...

Got to Revolution

 

[applecorped]

Love is but a song we sing,
Hear a way we die.
You can make the mountains ring,
Hear the angels cry.
Tho' the dove is on the wing
You need not know why.

Hey, people now,
Smile on your brother.
Let me see you get together,
Love one another right now.

 

[Sizzler]

There is a reason why a rational person should care if an agenda-driven ignoramus abandons an absurd, thoroughly discredited fantasy? What might that reason be?

Reverse the order of those words oh rational one. But I suppose you didn't poop in my thread for grammar lessons. So why don't you tell me why you gave up a few moments of your rational life to poop in an ignoramuses irrational thread?

 

[applecorped]

Reverse the order of those words oh rational one. But I suppose you didn't poop in my thread for grammar lessons. So why don't you tell me why you gave up a few moments of your rational life to poop in an ignoramuses irrational thread?

Your rationale is your own. It is valid for you. It is not valid for others. Do you wish to prove the others wrong or yours right?

 

[SDC]

I had the Youngbloods already, but thanks for the thought. Say, I'm off topic, aren't I?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Anyone who buys into these conspiracy theories is not simply going to stop believing them because some logical or technical requirement has been met. The whole concept is that a conspiracy theorist holds a faith based belief which is completely contradictory to science. It's like a creationist saying "Well i you can just show this one thing, I will drop my religious beliefs".

One does not believe conspiracy theories because they are big on logical thinking and scientific studies or peer approval, etc etc.

 

[Elizabeth I]

Stop!
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look
What's goin' down.

(Just thought I'd throw one more into the mix...)

 

[pomeroo]

Reverse the order of those words oh rational one. But I suppose you didn't poop in my thread for grammar lessons. So why don't you tell me why you gave up a few moments of your rational life to poop in an ignoramuses irrational thread?

Ah, yes, you are going to give me grammar lessons!! When you're finished, perhaps you can give me a few chess lessons.

My point, obviously, is that nothing can shake your irrational, unfalsifiable beliefs. You remain as dishonest as when you first showed up pretending to be an "agnostic."

 

[Slayhamlet]

Reverse the order of those words oh rational one. But I suppose you didn't poop in my thread for grammar lessons. So why don't you tell me why you gave up a few moments of your rational life to poop in an ignoramuses irrational thread?

There's nothing at all grammatically incorrect about Pomeroo's post. On the other hand, there are several such errors in your post.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

,somewhere to start and expose their ignorance on thermite and fantasy ideas on 9/11.

Thermite, made up by Jones 4 years after 9/11. He made it up out of the blue. He never produced a logical scenario, or presented evidence to support his idea. He presents photos of column cuts made after 9/11 as his proof for thermite, he is a liar.

NIST explained exactly what you would have to do to damage a column with thermite; you had to take the required amount and make sure it "sticks" to the steel column, thermite must be "pushed" against the steel column to work. Thermite is used to disable military equipment by placing the thermite so it burns down and disables the equipment, the stuff to be rendered useless must be under the thermite.

Not a single person has produced the thermite devices to keep the thermite in contact with the steel. Not a single device was found at the WTC debris used to hold thermite next to the steel column. Not anyone was seen placing thermite and fusing thermite in the WTC complex.

I know Jones made up thermite, and I know not a single piece of WTC 1 or 2 steel had damage from thermite. Jones has no evidence to prove his idea.

If truther persist at defending thermite, it is easy to identify them as fantasy believers. Thermite is the smoking gun to identify people who lack knowledge on 9/11.

Actually Nist never addressed themite induced oxygen cutting devices, that have the potential to work, and do work on columns by using the thermite only as the catalyst and allowing the oxygen to burn though the beams.

Thermite grenades simply flow downward and are thermal not chemical Oxidation devices, they could not have cut a column however I have not seen NIST address oxygen cutters at this time.

It does not take much thermite to catalyze the oxidation reaction of steel with a powerful oxidant, the steel actually becomes the fuel source.
However I must note that I have not seen in any photo the caricteristics cut pattern left by such devices.

Sorry just trying to be honest and tell the truth.

 

[mrbaracuda]

Actually Nist never addressed themite induced oxygen cutting devices, that have the potential to work, and do work on columns by using the thermite only as the catalyst and allowing the oxygen to burn though the beams.

Thermite grenades simply flow downward and are thermal not chemical Oxidation devices, they could not have cut a column however I have not seen NIST address oxygen cutters at this time.

It does not take much thermite to catalyze the oxidation reaction of steel with a powerful oxidant, the steel actually becomes the fuel source.
However I must note that I have not seen in any photo the caricteristics cut pattern left by such devices.

Sorry just trying to be honest and tell the truth.

(ETA) Broadly speaking, (haha, Cheney! )Sunder addressed it in the Q&A part of the presentation:

Mike: And did you look at Steven Jones’ work?
SUNDER: Well, that -- the issue of thermate did not even reach, in our judgment, a level of importance sufficient to, in fact, do a detailed analysis. We could rule it out fairly easily for several reasons. One, in order for thermate reaction to take place, there has to be materials, and of course building materials have all of the things that are required for thermite or thermate. And if you looked at the amount of thermite or thermate that would be needed to build this bring -- this building down, you would have had to have placed about 100 pounds of thermite or -- right in proximity to the column, and it had to have always adhered to the column. Because what thermite does is actually it melts the steel. So somebody has to keep pushing it so that the thermite continues to be sticking to the steel, this vertical column, until it actually collapses. And in order to get that kind of amount of materials into the building, and to actually place it, and for this reaction to take place, is unlikely to have actually happened.

See the transcript for any further thermite discussion (if there is any).

 

[DC]

Sunder addressed it in the Q&A part of the presentation:



See the transcript for any further thermite discussion (if there is any).

he adresse Thermite but not "themite induced oxygen cutting devices" or the Thermite Linear Cuting device.

 

[e^n]

he adresse Thermite but not "themite induced oxygen cutting devices" or the Thermite Linear Cuting device.

He didn't address beams from space either, nor did he address Max Photon's thermite weakening theories. Do you know why? Because they don't actually have any evidence for them, just rampant speculation.

 

[DC]

He didn't address beams from space either, nor did he address Max Photon's thermite weakening theories. Do you know why? Because they don't actually have any evidence for them, just rampant speculation.

thats not the point, i just wanted to show that Maracuda missunderstood it.

 

[mrbaracuda]

Yea well same family of tardiness.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

he adresse Thermite but not "themite induced oxygen cutting devices" or the Thermite Linear Cuting device.

True, he addresses only the iron oxide, Aluminum powder themite as the main devices, properly placed and induced, less than 6 grams of thermite could initiate an oxygen cutting reaction, on a column.

I must point out however that achieving a working oxygen cutter initiated by thermite is complex to say the least.

I doubt that people carrying in hundreds of heavy oxygen bottles would not have been noticed.

Dr. Jones proposed device uses bottled oxygen with aluminothermics, other oxygen sources will work, but are not as reliable, or safe.

Also the speed and application methods cause the devices to leave distinctive cut patterns that look like nothing else.
With compressed oxygen a series of holes with ridges in between, with other devices extensive melting, with large amounts of deformation, Highly noticeable because it leaves an uncontrolled non intelligent derived cut pattern, and not seen in any photo, I could go more into this but as CD. is apparently impossible based on the evidence at hand there is no need to do so.

Also I believe my presence on JERF is no longer welcomed by some.

 

[mrbaracuda]

Also I believe my presence on JERF is no longer welcomed by some.

What?

 

[DC]

True, he addresses only the iron oxide, Aluminum powder themite as the main devices, properly placed and induced, less than 6 grams of thermite could initiate an oxygen cutting reaction, on a column.

I must point out however that achieving a working oxygen cutter initiated by thermite is complex to say the least.

I doubt that people carrying in hundreds of heavy oxygen bottles would not have been noticed.

Dr. Jones proposed device uses bottled oxygen with aluminothermics, other oxygen sources will work, but are not as reliable, or safe.

Also the speed and application methods cause the devices to leave distinctive cut patterns that look like nothing else.
With compressed oxygen a series of holes with ridges in between, with other devices extensive melting, with large amounts of deformation, Highly noticeable because it leaves an uncontrolled non intelligent derived cut pattern, and not seen in any photo, I could go more into this but as CD. is apparently impossible based on the evidence at hand there is no need to do so.

Also I believe my presence on JERF is no longer welcomed by some.

like you describe the devices it sounds like they will not work for a CD anyway

i think they will quick enough understand that you are not a twoofer