I Visited the Flight 93 Crash Site Memorial Today

[Tweeter]

More truth members emerging daily was the point i was actually trying to make. Family members are the best kind.

 

[Pardalis]

More truth members emerging daily was the point i was actually trying to make. Family members are the best kind.

I don't follow. Why don't you try and explain that a little more?

 

[mrbaracuda]

More truth members emerging daily was the point i was actually trying to make.

Well you failed.

Family members are the best kind.

So people who do not like a crescent or semi-circle shaped memorial are as tarded as you all of a sudden and support your fantasy movement because of this?

Keep failing.

 

[mrbaracuda]

zombietime has a page about it, albeit a very small one.

Personally, I'm not too fond of it.

 

[mrbaracuda]

Just to summarize....
It isn't a "crescent" other than the fact that it's a semi-circle and you could call a semi-circle a crescent

I wasn't aware of it, but the design is actually called 'Crescent of Embrace'.

 

[Pardalis]

I think it looks more like this, and this, even this.

It's just stupid (the controversy, not the site).

 

[SezMe]

So OldTigerCub posts the OP which, to me, evokes the solomnity of the place. Too bad it was posted in the 9/11 Conspiracies Thread because the OP has nothing to do with such CTs. But by post #2 we were off to the CT races, never to come back to the real meaning of OTC's post, namely, that people died here in an attempt to save other American people and institutions.

It is a place where unimaginable courage ended. It is a truly a place of reflection and mourning.

That the usual characters (on both sides, damnit) play out their usual games demeans the thrust of the OP.

The pictures sadden me. The ensuing thread after the OP saddens me more.

 

[mrbaracuda]

So OldTigerCub posts the OP which, to me, evokes the solomnity of the place. Too bad it was posted in the 9/11 Conspiracies Thread because the OP has nothing to do with such CTs. But by post #2 we were off to the CT races, never to come back to the real meaning of OTC's post, namely, that people died here in an attempt to save other American people and institutions.

It is a place where unimaginable courage ended. It is a truly a place of reflection and mourning.

That the usual characters (on both sides, damnit) play out their usual games demeans the thrust of the OP.

The pictures sadden me. The ensuing thread after the OP saddens me more.

Hm. I agree but I have to say no one here has forgotten. Well, maybe tweeter, but he's tweeter.

MOOODS!

 

[Pardalis]

That the usual characters (on both sides, damnit) play out their usual games demeans the thrust of the OP.

As you said, it was posted in the CT section, it was to be expected.

 

[Caustic Logic]

Cool, thanks. Okay, that does have a suggested crescent shape, and the central memorial of the crash site is positioned relative to the crescent AS IF it were a star in a crescent-star flag. Uncanny.
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But it's pointing the wrong way, south-soutwest. In the sense as Foolmewunz says any line points anywhere, this points to Mecca.
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Found this site: oddly called error theory

Thought this line was funny: "the planned memorial is actually a terrorist memorial mosque, built around the half mile wide Mecca oriented crescent." No, see, it was a clever trap! When the TERRORISTS come to PRAY at the kick-ass mosque, daat's vhen vee cath them!

And how 'bout this line:

"Tom himself found two different Islamic elements in the crescent design. In addition to identifying the giant crescent as an Islamic symbol, he also noted that the Tower of Voices is akin to an Islamic minaret (long before seeing my proof that it is actually a year-round accurate Islamic prayer-time sundial)."

Wow! "Akin" to a minaret and a sundial - both mean it's ... dun-dun - a vertical structure, akin to a tower, as in "a tower of voices!" Cristendom owes Mr. Burnett and Mr. Rawls a debt of gratitude in this reverse crusade! Is this as dumb as it sounds or what?

 

[Tweeter]

Cool site!
I really dont think this subject could be funny, but i kinda like what this guy had to say.
"You were deeply involved with the process? Are you saying that you are one of the designers, or that you are one of the jurors, or administrators?

If you were one of the designers, you have a lot of questions to answer. Are you saying that you were both a) someone who made some of the critical decisions that create define what I am calling the terrorist memorial wall (the exact location of the upper memorial wall, it's being bisected by the center line of the red maple crescent, the four extra translucent blocks in the flight path, etcetera) and b) that you had no awareness that the upper wall was centered on the red crescent bisector, the orientation of the crescent on Mecca, etcetera, then that is an interesting data point, and you should do you best to explain to people. But if you are claiming that there is nothing to explain, then you are not just an *******, you are at some level knowingly complicit. Any person who had honestly not intended to place forty-four memorial blocks in the flight path, or not intended to have the upper wall integral with the crescent, or not intended to orient the crescent precisely on Mecca, would be aghast to discover that he had done these thing. You are not aghast. You either did it on purpose yourself, or you had at least some awareness that someone else was doing it. The fact that you are not aghast to find out what your group actually did, whether by mistake or on purpose, but instead are calling other people ******** for discovering it, tells me that there is something VERY damned wrong with you. If you want to explain different, we're all ears.

If, on the other hand, you were a juror, or an administrator, who had nothing to do with creating any of the Islamist structures, you too should be aghast at finding out that the crescent contains. That you are not tells me that you are not a person of good faith. You are saying that you would be content to plant an Islamic flag on the graves of our murdered heroes (perhaps you murdered kin), so long as you did it by mistake? You don't want to know about such a thing, and stop it? That's sick. That's like Cindy Sheehan calling the fascists who murdered her son "freedom fighters." It's a self-centered obliviousness beyond fathoming. But again, if you can explain yourself, lots of people would like to hear it

 

[Foolmewunz]

Sezme,
Sorry if you feel disappointment, but I, for one, was just reading through a nice string of messages (albeit in the wrong sub-forum, I admit... which is why it was a pleasant surprise),.... It's sort of like having a nice walk in the country when along comes this big fat flea infested crow and craps all over your head (this thread).
Many of us have said - many times - the only reason we still pay any attention to any of these characters is that if left unanswered they leave the impression that the crap they post and link to is correct. In this case, not only are the crapping all over the every amphiteatre ever built with this nonsense, but it's just a stupid red herring as no one has come up with a single clue as to just what this could mean for a truther.

Tweeter,
You guys don't believe the cave-dwellers did it, remember? So how to you equate this family member, who says nothing about inside jobs, as being a family member to come out for the truth. You're just clutching at straws.

Better mind than mine have refuted the math on his sill projections, and as has been pointed out, any arc will have a point on it that points to everywhere else on earth (in one direction or another). Every building that is not constructed under the earth will have a shadow, too! This is a non-issue. A rant like the Apple Mecca rant, just the opposite side of the spectrum for the most part.

 

[Brainster]

The crescent issue is legitimate; a lot of people are angry about that, and to be honest, I'm one of them. In the original design it was specifically referred to as "the Crescent of Embrace", which not only sounds grammatically incorrect, but renders any talk about how it's just a coincidence involving semicircles irrelevant.

 

[Hokulele]

There are quite a few more shots that I took, all higher resolution, that can be found at my webpage: oldtigercub.com/flight93memorial for anyone who would like to see them.

Thanks for this post and the pics. As it is highly unlikely I will get to that part of the country any time soon, your thoughts give me a better feeling and perspective of the site.

 

[mrbaracuda]

The crescent issue is legitimate; a lot of people are angry about that, and to be honest, I'm one of them. In the original design it was specifically referred to as "the Crescent of Embrace", which not only sounds grammatically incorrect, but renders any talk about how it's just a coincidence involving semicircles irrelevant.

Something like this would be nice, wouldn't it?

Taken from OldTigerCub's page. Thanks for that. As a German you don't often get the chance to get there.

 

[Pardalis]

The crescent issue is legitimate; a lot of people are angry about that, and to be honest, I'm one of them. In the original design it was specifically referred to as "the Crescent of Embrace", which not only sounds grammatically incorrect, but renders any talk about how it's just a coincidence involving semicircles irrelevant.

Isn't it called "Bowl of Embrace" now?

 

[Dr Adequate]

The crescent issue is legitimate; a lot of people are angry about that, and to be honest, I'm one of them.

Apparently the "lot of people" are all right-wing bloggers; that's pretty much the opposite of a legitimate issue.

Really, Michelle "Dunkin' Donuts" Malkin is outraged because she's seen another manifestation of Sinister Islamofascism? Well, there's an enormous surprise.

Better not tell her about the Wiccans ... their sacred symbols include the crescent ... and the circle, triangle, and spiral. It's amazing what a huge influence they must have on architecture. I think I shall form a blasphemous sex cult the symbol of which is the straight line, that'll really **** with the paranoid people.

 

[CptColumbo]

I saw it as a half-eaten doughnut or a cookie with a really big bite out of it, but I'm kinda hungry right now.

 

[Dr Adequate]

The flag denotes the center area of the fence
in front of the impact point: hallowed ground.
Noone is allowed to go beyond
the fence except family members of
Flight 93 passengers and crew.

You don't say whether this is a permanent feature of the site or just a part of the temporary arrangements. I hope and guess it's the former, that seems so exactly right.

 

[OldTigerCub]

I didn't mean to start a thread, then abandon it, but work carried me far and wide today, so all of that windshield time pretty much killed my chances of posting....until now.

So uh, can you sit on those benches or does no one dare? Those are somewhat.. strange. Odd choice if you ask me.

Yes, you can, and they are well used. Almost immediately after I took the picture, people started sitting down for a presentation by one of the ambassadors at the memorial. I kind of liked the arrangement. There are two rows with an aisle in the middle, and they face toward the crash site. It is a little reminiscent of an outdoor chapel, especially with the big cross in the right front corner of the arrangement.

Nothing really to add. Thanks for sharing. It's interesting to get a feel for the space, and the solemnity, and symbolism used.

You're quite welcome, CL. I have seen so many pictures that I thought I knew the place well, but seeing it first hand is a whole different experience. I hoped the pictures I took would give a better feel of the surroundings than the carefully framed and staged ones that are usually seen in books or internet sites.

So OldTigerCub posts the OP which, to me, evokes the solomnity of the place. Too bad it was posted in the 9/11 Conspiracies Thread because the OP has nothing to do with such CTs. But by post #2 we were off to the CT races, never to come back to the real meaning of OTC's post, namely, that people died here in an attempt to save other American people and institutions.

It is a place where unimaginable courage ended. It is a truly a place of reflection and mourning.

That the usual characters (on both sides, damnit) play out their usual games demeans the thrust of the OP.

The pictures sadden me. The ensuing thread after the OP saddens me more.

You may have a good point, SezMe. I had originally thought about posting in the community or social issues/current events subforums. The amount of time that I have spent trying to counter CT claims made me feel that a personal visit to the Flight 93 site might reinforce my understanding of the events. It is hard to walk among the tributes and pictures and monuments, and look out across that field and have any doubt whatsoever that the passengers and crew of UAL 93 were true heroes, and that the first battle was won in the sky above Shanksville. I Decided to post it here mostly as an effort to bring a little piece of reality to a subforum so often riddled with absurd fantasies.

The crescent issue is legitimate; a lot of people are angry about that, and to be honest, I'm one of them. In the original design it was specifically referred to as "the Crescent of Embrace", which not only sounds grammatically incorrect, but renders any talk about how it's just a coincidence involving semicircles irrelevant.

I tend to have a similar opinion with you on those points, Pat. I was not too crazy about the design myself when it was first announced. My personal opinion: Anything design that could in any way shape or form be construed or interpreted as having any favorable symbolism to the enemy that attacked us that day should have been summarily dismissed. I would have favored something simpler, and more reminiscent of a battlefield monument....but that's just my opinion.
On a side note, I understand that the committee met in Summersville this weekend, and Tom Burnett was on the radio on KDKA this morning. He mentioned being at the memorial site, and it made me wonder if he may have been among those that disembarked from the tour busses as I was preparing to leave. I thought it was a senior citizen's tour, but now that I think about it, nearly everyone was wearing plastic name badges. I guess it's just one of those things that will keep me wondering for a while....

Thanks for this post and the pics. As it is highly unlikely I will get to that part of the country any time soon, your thoughts give me a better feeling and perspective of the site.

You are quite welcome, Hokulele. It's a long swim from the islands, but I hope you get to see it for yourself someday soon!

You don't say whether this is a permanent feature of the site or just a part of the temporary arrangements. I hope and guess it's the former, that seems so exactly right.

My understanding is that the large fence running around the entire perimeter of the crash site is temporary. I believe that the permanent memorial will be in that field, and will surround the hallowed ground area, but I also understand that the central impact area will still be off-limits to all but family members.