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I Visited the Flight 93 Crash Site Memorial Today

OldTigerCub

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I used to spend a lot of summer weekends in the Indian Lake area, and I have driven past there on numerous occasions more recently, but today I decided that I had to visit the Flight 93 crash site and memorial and see it first hand.

It was very easy to find, with very noticeable signs directing the way, and the drive felt very familiar...that was until I turned onto Skyline Drive. There is a sense of history, and loss, and reverence that comes over one when approaching the scene of such a tragedy, even though it has been almost seven years.

The temporary memorial was quite busy with visitors, but the parking lot was adequate, though unpaved, with plenty of room to park. As I got out of my car, there was a noticeable silence that seemed only to be cut by the flapping of several flags and the rumble of a few Harleys as their riders pulled in and out of the lot.

I was impressed by the attentiveness of the park rangers and "ambassadors" who were very receptive to questions about the crash, and who are all very knowledgable about the events that transpired. One of these "ambassadors" started to give a presentation about the history of 9-11 and Flight 93 in detail just as I was about to leave, though two very large tour busses arrived and postponed her speach as what appeared to be approximately 100 senior citizens disembarked and crossed the road to the memorial.

As I drove away down Skyline Drive, I could see the cabins back in the woods that had been hit by debris, and I got a glimpse of the pond where part of an engine had come to rest. I also saw the red barn, from Val McClatchey's photograph (I believe) as I made my way back toward Route 30.

Having been there and having seen how seriously the locals are about taking care of the site, and the dedication they have to helping people learn the true history behind UAL 93, I suddenly realized that the place, the event and the people involved will be remembered by the vast majority for what really happenned in the skies over PA that September morning, regardless of how the CTers, twoofers and revisionists try to mis-represent it or deny it.

I took a few pictures while I was there:
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A bronze on granite monument with the names
of the passengers and crew.

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The benches face the hallowed ground area,
and are where visitors congregate to
listen to presentations or just meditate.

1975748966343a6866.jpg

The flag denotes the center area of the fence
in front of the impact point: hallowed ground.
Noone is allowed to go beyond
the fence except family members of
Flight 93 passengers and crew.

There are quite a few more shots that I took, all higher resolution, that can be found at my webpage: oldtigercub.com/flight93memorial for anyone who would like to see them.
 
Still no sign of a Boeing. ... I keed, I keed! :D

Thanks Tiger Cub. That is an interesting view for someone on the opposite side of the country.
 
One note: I disrespectfully declined the "Twoofer Harrassment of Wally Miller and Val McClatchey" tour. I think I have seen that one done to death right here on teh interwebz.

Not that there really was one offered, mind you.
 
I used to spend a lot of summer weekends in the Indian Lake area, and I have driven past there on numerous occasions more recently, but today I decided that I had to visit the Flight 93 crash site and memorial and see it first hand.

It was very easy to find, with very noticeable signs directing the way, and the drive felt very familiar...that was until I turned onto Skyline Drive. There is a sense of history, and loss, and reverence that comes over one when approaching the scene of such a tragedy, even though it has been almost seven years.

The temporary memorial was quite busy with visitors, but the parking lot was adequate, though unpaved, with plenty of room to park. As I got out of my car, there was a noticeable silence that seemed only to be cut by the flapping of several flags and the rumble of a few Harleys as their riders pulled in and out of the lot.

I was impressed by the attentiveness of the park rangers and "ambassadors" who were very receptive to questions about the crash, and who are all very knowledgable about the events that transpired. One of these "ambassadors" started to give a presentation about the history of 9-11 and Flight 93 in detail just as I was about to leave, though two very large tour busses arrived and postponed her speach as what appeared to be approximately 100 senior citizens disembarked and crossed the road to the memorial.

As I drove away down Skyline Drive, I could see the cabins back in the woods that had been hit by debris, and I got a glimpse of the pond where part of an engine had come to rest. I also saw the red barn, from Val McClatchey's photograph (I believe) as I made my way back toward Route 30.

Having been there and having seen how seriously the locals are about taking care of the site, and the dedication they have to helping people learn the true history behind UAL 93, I suddenly realized that the place, the event and the people involved will be remembered by the vast majority for what really happenned in the skies over PA that September morning, regardless of how the CTers, twoofers and revisionists try to mis-represent it or deny it.

I took a few pictures while I was there:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/19757489663434e281.jpg
A bronze on granite monument with the names
of the passengers and crew.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/19757489663437d83c.jpg
The benches face the hallowed ground area,
and are where visitors congregate to
listen to presentations or just meditate.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/1975748966343a6866.jpg
The flag denotes the center area of the fence
in front of the impact point: hallowed ground.
Noone is allowed to go beyond
the fence except family members of
Flight 93 passengers and crew.

There are quite a few more shots that I took, all higher resolution, that can be found at my webpage: oldtigercub.com/flight93memorial for anyone who would like to see them.
Where were the black "investigate 9/11" shirts? I would love to see the reaction to a truther at the memorial there. Shanksville isn't NYC...
 
Where were the black "investigate 9/11" shirts? I would love to see the reaction to a truther at the memorial there. Shanksville isn't NYC...

I'm guessing that the sound of Harley Davidson motorcycles causes an allergic reaction to anyone wearing such a shirt. There were none to be seen!:p
(black "investigate 9-11" t-shirts, that is.....)
 
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Thanks for planting that image of half-naked truthers in my head, OTC. :p

Not the image I intended, but I can picture the following scene:
Twoofer1: (shouts)9-11 was an inside job!!!
Twoofer2: What's that rumbling sound?
Twoofer1: I don't know, but it's comming this way.
Twoofer2: HARLEY RIDERS! Get the shirt off!!!!
Let's get out of here!!!! We're gonna die!!!!!
 
So uh, can you sit on those benches or does no one dare? Those are somewhat.. strange. Odd choice if you ask me.
 
Nothing really to add. Thanks for sharing. It's interesting to get a feel for the space, and the solemnity, and symbolism used.
 
Well i`ll be damned.
I better tell the crash victims families that Pardalis says what they have to say is irrelevant.
 
Well i`ll be damned.
I better tell the crash victims families that Pardalis says what they have to say is irrelevant.

Why don't you go and do that, and make yourself useful for a change?

ETA: and btw, make sure to tell them you think their sons and daughters didn't die there, and that their calls were faked and that they aren't heroes for standing up against these non-existing terrorists.
 
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Yes, the symbolism. Funny of you to say that.
That is what is outraging family members of the crash victims.
The new memorial site will be a gigantic crescent with a star that points to Mecca.
http://www.wjactv.com/news/17074635/detail.html

Tweeter,
Is there a committee on the other side of your internet connection? Surely one person could not be so dumb as to believe all the nonsense you foolishly post as fact. This is a dumbass lone crusade by one whacknut that's caught the attention of a few dedicated conspiradroids.

Just to summarize....
It isn't a "crescent" other than the fact that it's a semi-circle and you could call a semi-circle a crescent, but then again, you'd probably call a circle, "a couple of crescents linked together". It's a common geometric figure, the circle. Look it up. I was born in a place we called The Crescent City (New Orleans). There's a crescent on the city shield/emblem. Are they Islamists?

There are other things factually incorrect in the presumed source of this article - the lone dad who has been hawking this thing all along. A little searching and you could've discovered all this, yourself, and not waste people's time posting this drivel.

By the way... back to circles. Think about it. Is the earth a sphere (even if an irregular one)? This isn't multiple choice. There's only one answer... "Yes". Now find me a point on any sphere that does not point to any other point on said sphere. I won't be waiting for the response.

Seriously, son! Think about it. Other than the fact that it's some sort of diabolical conspiracy and conspirophiles love any old conspiracy! So now it's not the overwhelming Zionist conspiracy? It's some overwhelming Islamist conspiracy? Who, pray tell, is behind this one? Is there a new Islamist wing to the Illuminati? Did the Elders of Zion have a change of heart?

Thump! Thump! Thump!
(I'm too poor to afford graphics. That's the sound of me smacking my head against the desk.)
 
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I simply report the news.
Also this isnt a mudslinging article fresh off prison planet.
I repeat the"family members of the crash victims" are complaining.
 
YES! Yes yes yes!
Just like the people in South Carolina are!

* mrbaracuda;3916426 shrieks

Ever seen the flag of SC?

:SOUTHCAROLINA:

:eek::boxedin:



I knew there was something shifty about that Strom Thurmond guy!

ETA: And the French! How could we forget the croissant?

ETA AGAIN: And my mechanic. I heard him asking one of his helpers for a "crescent" wrench. I'm sure that was some sort of code. And the mechanic. Well, he claimed his name was Enrique and he was from Spain... but that skin looked a lot like the color of the average terrorist. He could've been from Saudi.
 
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I simply report the news.
Also this isnt a mudslinging article fresh off prison planet.
I repeat the"family members of the crash victims" are complaining.

The old "don't kill the messenger" shtick.

Why do you care? You don't even think these people died there.
 
This is a dumbass lone crusade by one whacknut that's caught the attention of a few dedicated conspiradroids.

Just to summarize....
It isn't a "crescent" other than the fact that it's a semi-circle and you could call a semi-circle a crescent,

Thanks for that. I needed to look that up, It's not even multiple people? Or a proper crescent? Maybe this Dad is on a mission to help the contractors' efforts to have to redesign by making it seem that way. (kidding ;) ) Is the "star" east of the "crescent" anything like in the traditional symbol?

I never thot it was an Islamist design, but perhaps symbolically using Islamic imagery, as a way of honoring the RELIGION of the attackers in opposition to their attempt to hijack said religion. A clever inverion and peace offering in an age of "clash of civilizations." I thot maybe this was the idea, and maybe is, if only implied, and it's not a bad design in that light, arguably at least, but some people wouldn't get it. Maybe too intelligent a design...

Need to get the schematics... in case it matters.

By the way... back to circles. Think about it. Is the earth a sphere (even if an irregular one)? This isn't multiple choice. There's only one answer... "Yes". Now find me a point on any sphere that does not point to any other point on said sphere. I won't be waiting for the response.

Somehow Muslims know which way to orient themselves but I've even heard of Muslims in the orient EAST of mecca bowing east when praying. Maybe this is their thinking, and it's all in the intention of focusing yourself spiritually in that direction. If so, can Tweeter's source prove the supposed star-representing structure has such intent and devotion? Or is it actually facing towards, say, Graceland?
 

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