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I own a gun!

Oliver

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For what irrefutable important reason should someone own a gun since I grew up in the most restrictive Country in the world concerning gun ownership [Germany] and I never got into a situation where I thought that the restrictions are bad in any way whatsoever?
 
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I dont know.
in my country at 18 you get an assault rifle and amunition that you keep at home.
so almost every swiss family owns a swiss assoult rifle.
It is extremly seldome those weapons are used in crimes or murder.

gun ownership is just one part of the story, how people think and act is more important i think.

but i dont see a reason why people should be alowed to have a gun. we have profesionals that are trained to use weapons and also to solve situations without useing weapons, we call them police.
 
Oliver said:
For what irrefutable important reason should someone own a gun since I grew up in the most restrictive Countries in the world concerning gun ownership [Germany] and I never got into a situation where I thought that the restrictions are bad in any way whatsoever?
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Proof that if nobody owns a gun, everyone will be safe.

Dictator Cheney said:
I dont know.
in my country at 18 you get an assault rifle and amunition that you keep at home.
so almost every swiss family owns a swiss assoult rifle.
It is extremly seldome those weapons are used in crimes or murder.

gun ownership is just one part of the story, how people think and act is more important i think.

but i dont see a reason why people should be alowed to have a gun. we have profesionals that are trained to use weapons and also to solve situations without useing weapons, we call them police.
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Proof that if everyone owns a gun, everyone will be safe.

Ummm... I'll have to get back to you.
 
I don't think Germany can have the most restrictive gun laws in the world. Apparently the father of the young man who perpetrated the latest massacre had a handgun (and other weapons) legally in his house because he was a member of a gun club. In Britain that was made illegal after Dunblane (that is exactly how Hamilton legally owned the weapons he used to kill the children there), and gun club members have to store their weapons at the club.

Rolfe.
 
BPSCG said:
Proof that if nobody owns a gun, everyone will be safe.

Proof that if everyone owns a gun, everyone will be safe.

Ummm... I'll have to get back to you.
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eeerm no. sure not.

if people act respectfully with eachother, then everyone is save.

i could go into a nice twist.

Your save aslong every gun is registerd maybe.
because i knew someone , he didnt have an assoult rifle from the army. because he never went to the army. but somehow he illegaly got himself a gun.

his neighbor had a small reastaurant, they had a party, and it was pretty loud. he coudnt sleep, instead of calling the police he took the gun and shot on the restaurant owner. the restaurant owner had an army assault rifle. but he wasnt save from the crazy guy......

what kind of world would we live in if people would always get their guns when they have troubles with their neighbours?

i do belive the way you have been rised has far more imfluence on the weapons use than the gun ownership.

Humanity should evolve and stop solving problems with violence.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
but i dont see a reason why people should be alowed to have a gun. we have profesionals that are trained to use weapons and also to solve situations without useing weapons, we call them police.
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Professionals are great if you're in a situation that takes long enough to develop for them to arrive. Most crimes don't work that way though.

Our big local story this week was a Pizza Hut driver who shot an attacker. He was sent to a fake address where four guys waited for him to rob him. He tried to run, they chased him, he shot and killed one. The other three ran and have since been caught. I'm hoping in the end they get charged with the guy's death as the law does indeed allow since somebody was killed during the commission of a crime they were committing, but either way strong-arm robbery and criminal conspiracy is a pretty long stretch.

He didn't want to shoot anyone, he feels terrible about it, but the bottom line is a firearm quite possibly saved his life and got four people who clearly didn't mind preying on the helpless off the streets. The professionals did a bang-up job of finding the other criminals after the fact, but it wouldn't have prevented the driver from being a fish in a barrel. A .45 did.
 
BPSCG said:
Proof that if nobody owns a gun, everyone will be safe.

Proof that if everyone owns a gun, everyone will be safe.

Ummm... I'll have to get back to you.
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I didn't even imply that. I actually asked for irrefutable reasons to own one despite the fact that of course "No gun" means "No shooting".

Dictator Cheney said:
I dont know.
in my country at 18 you get an assault rifle and amunition that you keep at home.
so almost every swiss family owns a swiss assoult rifle.
It is extremly seldome those weapons are used in crimes or murder.

gun ownership is just one part of the story, how people think and act is more important i think.

but i dont see a reason why people should be alowed to have a gun. we have profesionals that are trained to use weapons and also to solve situations without useing weapons, we call them police.
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Well, what's the difference in Swiss and Germany then if a lack of gun-ownership restrictions aren't a part of the problem?

Rolfe said:
I don't think Germany can have the most restrictive gun laws in the world. Apparently the father of the young man who perpetrated the latest massacre had a handgun (and other weapons) legally in his house because he was a member of a gun club. In Britain that was made illegal after Dunblane (that is exactly how Hamilton legally owned the weapons he used to kill the children there), and gun club members have to store their weapons at the club.

Rolfe.
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That's correct, but the requirements to get one in the first place seem to be much higher in Germany. I could be wrong about that despite the German media since the recent School shooting telling me all day long that Germany has the most restrictive laws in the world, though.
 
Rolfe said:
I don't think Germany can have the most restrictive gun laws in the world. Apparently the father of the young man who perpetrated the latest massacre had a handgun (and other weapons) legally in his house because he was a member of a gun club. In Britain that was made illegal after Dunblane (that is exactly how Hamilton legally owned the weapons he used to kill the children there), and gun club members have to store their weapons at the club.

Rolfe.
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Sorry Rolfe, that's not true.

My son (then aged 18) kept his gun here at home (legally it had to be locked in a gun cabinet, with no-one but him having access to keys). This was last year.
 
Drudgewire said:
Professionals are great if you're in a situation that takes long enough to develop for them to arrive. Most crimes don't work that way though.

Our big local story this week was a Pizza Hut driver who shot an attacker. He was sent to a fake address where four guys waited for him to rob him. He tried to run, they chased him, he shot and killed one. The other three ran and have since been caught. I'm hoping in the end they get charged with the guy's death as the law does indeed allow since somebody was killed during the commission of a crime they were committing, but either way strong-arm robbery and criminal conspiracy is a pretty long stretch.

He didn't want to shoot anyone, he feels terrible about it, but the bottom line is a firearm quite possibly saved his life and got four people who clearly didn't mind preying on the helpless off the streets. The professionals did a bang-up job of finding the other criminals after the fact, but it wouldn't have prevented the driver from being a fish in a barrel. A .45 did.
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when i get in that situation, i give all my money .

also in our companys we gave out the order, in case of robbery, give all the money, do not resist, do not try anything , stay calm, be nice and friendly.
dont try any stupid things that will endanger your and others live even more.

mostly they dont want to kill you, they just want the money.
Material things and money can be replaced, live cannot.
 
Well, what's the difference in Swiss and Germany then if a lack of gun-ownership restrictions aren't a part of the problem?
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well i am for total strict regulations. i even would support a total ban of guns.
lack of restrictions is most propably a part of the problem. i think especially this goes for those kids that run amok.

But if you cannot get the gun legal, you can get it illegal.

its a complicated topic i think, and most people see to concentrate to hard on gun ownership. i belive other problems are involved.
 
Blue Bubble said:
Sorry Rolfe, that's not true.

My son (then aged 18) kept his gun here at home (legally it had to be locked in a gun cabinet, with no-one but him having access to keys). This was last year.
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I admit I'm not entirely clear on the exact details, also I understand there have been some relaxations as a result of pro-gun lobbying.

However, doesn't there have to be a specific reason for keeping the gun at home?

As I understand it, what the German father did would not have been even close to legal in Britain. He had a handgun that he legally owned and could legally keep in the house. (Then instead of keeping it locked up he kept it by his bedside, that was the illegal bit.)

Rolfe.
 
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Dictator Cheney said:
mostly they dont want to kill you, they just want the money.

Material things and money can be replaced, live cannot.
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Key word? "Mostly."

I was robbed when I worked at Pizza Hut. Guy pulled a gun, I gave up the money. If I'd had a gun I wouldn't have used it.

This guy was getting attacked and beaten. If I'd been in that situation and had a gun I'd have used it.

Of course it's one anecdotal story, and for every one there's an equally legitimate story about an innocent person being killed. There's no black and white answer to the OP. Gun discussion is pretty much all gray area.
 
Drudgewire said:
Key word? "Mostly."

I was robbed when I worked at Pizza Hut. Guy pulled a gun, I gave up the money. If I'd had a gun I wouldn't have used it.

This guy was getting attacked and beaten. If I'd been in that situation and had a gun I'd have used it.

Of course it's one anecdotal story, and for every one there's an equally legitimate story about an innocent person being killed. There's no black and white answer to the OP. Gun discussion is pretty much all gray area.
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strange day today.
i agree with you :)

there is no black and white answer, is there any answer?


you will use your gun.
i will use my Judo :D

i fear your chance of survival are higher. alot :(
 
Personally I the debate is very strange. We have a lot of examples of different levels of restriction. Just about every country have different views on how easy it should be for an individual to have access to weapons.

Yet it seems to be very difficult to prove that "armed or unarmed" make any difference on violent crime. What I could imagine would have an effect is if a society would rapidly change position. At least for the short term, until the society adapts to the new situation.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Wrong.

19th highest in the world DC?
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ah, what i ment, those assault rifles from the army, they are used very very seldom.

but im shocked, i didnt know we are such "high" ranked in murder with fire arms......

i never tryed to get a weapon, but i thought we have hard restrictions.

more intersting would be, how many of those used guns where legal owned and how many illegal owned?
 
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RoboTimbo said:
Hunting
Sport shooting
Self defense
Collector value

There likely are more but these are a good start.
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Hunting: Okay, it wouldn't work without guns. [Which doesn't mean that private persons should be allowed to go hunting without licences and training, especially in case of children]. Not to mention that "huntsman" is a profession over here, not a hobby for everyone.

Sport Shooting: Yes, but there is no need to keep those guns at home, is there?

Self defense: Only necessary if the assaulter has a gun as well, which - thanks to the restricted gun laws - rarely is the case over here. So no good argument for allowing guns in the first place, especially in light of the good guys turning into the bad ones at some point in time.

Collector value: That's valid as well and as far I remember, it's legal in Germany as long the guns don't actually work. Or do collector items have to work for some reason other than literally being an exhibit?
 
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