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I own a gun!

My dad put it in perspective for me best. He said to me "Son, if anyone ever came into my house and hurt your mother or sister, I couldn't live with myself if I could've prevented that and didn't." Or something to that effect anyway.

In my opinion, people who argue against the right to own a gun aren't living in the real world. Bad guys will always get guns, good guys need'em too ya'll!
 
RoboTimbo said:
No, not correct.
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Why not?

RoboTimbo said:
Not much point if they don't work. Would a collector of Hummel figurines want to collect them as long as they were broken?
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Well, if I would collect classic cars, of course I would think that the law allows me to actually drive them.

But I don't expect any freedoms concerning the full functionality if I collect Bomb-Shells, Granates or Tanks, for example. Why? - Because they never were meant for private purposes and I think the same way about Guns due to the lack of ever having gun-rights in the first place.
 
Buckaroo said:
Well, they're a helluva lot of fun, for one thing. I recently went shooting with a group, within which there were several newbies who had never done it before, and had never had any inclination to. Afterwards, to a person (several were female) they said "Ahhh! I get it now. Let's do that again." Try it, you might like it.
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Gagglenash posted this recreation of a first-time shooter with the permission of the artist, which sums it up better than any of us could. :D


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original post with permission granted
 
DaN K. StAnLeY said:
This statement is silly when you think of how many people get stabbed and beaten to death every year. If someone broke into my house with a knife, they still have the potential to harm/kill/rape someone in my family. I would feel just as entitled to use deadly force if someone broke into my house bare-handed, as it is very possible to murder-death-kill someone without a weapon (especially if your muscles are as huge as mine).
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Well, why do people get stabbed and beaten to death then in the first place?

I tend to think that this virtually is a social aspect related to poverty in combination with lack of universal welfare. But my basic point still stands: No gun - No shooting, wrong?
 
Oliver said:
Why not?
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tyr_13 answered that already but I'll add that I wouldn't want my wife to face a big guy who is armed only with a rope in a rest stop at night. Are you arguing that my wife should also only have a rope?

Well, if I would collect classic cars, of course I would think that the law allows me to actually drive them.
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Good, you agree again.

But I don't expect any freedoms concerning the full functionality if I collect Bomb-Shells, Granates or Tanks, for example. Why? - Because they never were meant for private purposes and I think the same way about Guns due to the lack of ever having gun-rights in the first place.
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Your thinking guns are the same as tanks and bombs isn't really germaine to the issue.
 
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I've had this argument often enough to know that there's no changing the Merikans' minds. And besides, Drudgewire and Gagglenash are nice, and funny, and I want to cuddle them.

But I far prefer it when I know that only the bad guys have guns. Because bad guys mostly tend to shoot other bad guys. I like knowing that the angst-ridden teenage boy next door hasn't got access to one.

Of course if we could stop the bad guys having guns as well that would be even better. But that'll never happen.

Rolfe.
 
DaN K. StAnLeY said:
My dad put it in perspective for me best. He said to me "Son, if anyone ever came into my house and hurt your mother or sister, I couldn't live with myself if I could've prevented that and didn't." Or something to that effect anyway.

In my opinion, people who argue against the right to own a gun aren't living in the real world. Bad guys will always get guns, good guys need'em too ya'll!
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Okay, apart from the police, how many times does private gun-ownership prevent a crime in contrast to private gun-ownership leading to a crime then?
 
We're never going to come to an agreement on this. Different parts of the world have different views on firearms. Even from one region to the next within my own country, there is a huge difference in the perception of firearms. In the big cities (out east, especially), everyone seems to want all guns banned, period. Out west here, guns are seen as useful tools. Basically every farmer has one for pest control. The thing that I notice about the anti-gun crowd in Canada is that none of them seem to understand what's required to legally purchase a firearm. You can't just decide to buy a gun one day and go to the store and pick one up. They seem to think you can get handguns from vending machines.
 
DaN K. StAnLeY said:
My dad put it in perspective for me best. He said to me "Son, if anyone ever came into my house and hurt your mother or sister, I couldn't live with myself if I could've prevented that and didn't." Or something to that effect anyway.

In my opinion, people who argue against the right to own a gun aren't living in the real world. Bad guys will always get guns, good guys need'em too ya'll!
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mmh i hate it, but must agree partially.

i fear i wil never come to a final conclusion in that topic.

i feel pretty save without a gun.
the experiances i had with guns where all negative, i dont want guns around me.
 
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RoboTimbo said:
tyr_13 answered that already but I'll add that I wouldn't want my wife to face a big guy who is armed only with a rope in a rest stop at night. Are you arguing that my wife should also only have a rope?

Good, you agree again.

Your thinking guns are the same as tanks and bombs isn't really germaine to the issue.
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Well, it depends on how many "Big bad guys having a weapon and using it against women" are out there. Just because those things exist doesn't mean that anyone should be allowed to carry weapons in a bank just because there were a lot of armed robberies in the past ... because "wearing guns in a bank" obviously was the problem in the first place, not the solution.
 
Sir Robin Goodfellow said:
We're never going to come to an agreement on this. Different parts of the world have different views on firearms. Even from one region to the next within my own country, there is a huge difference in the perception of firearms. In the big cities (out east, especially), everyone seems to want all guns banned, period. Out west here, guns are seen as useful tools.
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And that's the crux of it. I grew up in the semi-rural South, where if you heard guns going off it was because someone was plinking with family and friends, or hunting deer or turkey to put a little cheap meat on the table. Friends of mine grew up in the city, where if you heard a gun going off it was because someone was getting shot. A city person therefore has a completely different experience of gun use than a rural person, and neither can truly understand the other's perspective.
 
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Oliver said:
Well, it depends on how many "Big bad guys having a weapon and using it against women" are out there. Just because those things exist doesn't mean that anyone should be allowed to carry weapons in a bank just because there were a lot of armed robberies in the past ... because "wearing guns in a bank" obviously was the problem in the first place, not the solution.
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No, you are incorrect again.

The problem was that people wanted to steal money. When I lived in Arizona, I always wore my gun into my bank. Nobody robbed it while I was present.
 
Well, why do people get stabbed and beaten to death then in the first place?
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Do you really want me to list them all?

I tend to think that this virtually is a social aspect related to poverty in combination with lack of universal welfare. But my basic point still stands: No gun - No shooting, wrong?
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Yes, in this world, wrong. What country in this world do you think will ever have no guns? In a perfect world where guns haven't been invented, yes no guns- no shooting, but that place doesn't exist. I can also make another pretty long list of "banned" things people get every single day.
 
Okay, apart from the police, how many times does private gun-ownership prevent a crime in contrast to private gun-ownership leading to a crime then?
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I'm not sure but you've got at least one example in this thread already.
 
I must say I am impressed with how cordial this thread has been so far. We'll see how long that lasts...
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Dude, you jinx'd it.:D Don't you know you never go to the mound and talk to you pitcher during a no-hitter? LOL!
 
With conditions in the world being as they are, I seriously don't see how anyone could believe its safer to not own a gun. It's like an episode of Survivorman I saw. Les didn't want to take a rifle with him into the Arctic wild, but he sure was glad he brought it when he woke up and saw polar bear tracks 30 feet from his camp site. Sure, nobody wants to have to kill someone, but isn't it irresponsible of someone not to defend themselves or their family?
 
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