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I own a gun!

Collector value

you can get guns for collections pretty easy in switzerland. my stepfather had a big collection.

but they must be specially prepared. im not an expert, eerm i have no clue about guns, but the bolt must be removed, and the muzzle is blocked.
so they are not useable for murder without undoing the changes to the gun.
 
Oliver said:
For what irrefutable important reason should someone own a gun since I grew up in the most restrictive Countries in the world concerning gun ownership [Germany] and I never got into a situation where I thought that the restrictions are bad in any way whatsoever?
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How about "I want one"?
 
Oliver said:
Self defense: Only necessary if the assaulter has a gun as well, which - thanks to the restricted gun laws - rarely is the case over here. So no good argument for allowing guns in the first place, especially in light of the good guys turning into the bad ones at some point in time.
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No good argument in a society that isn't overrun with them maybe. In the US, the assaulter being armed is often the case.

The arguments that work against injecting gun culture into a society that doesn't have one are very different from the ones against trying to restrict guns in a society which have always had them.


BPSCG said:
How about "I want one"?
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Yes, there's also the "guns are simply awesome and I want several, damnit" argument.
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Drudgewire said:
And Germany is twenty first. Sort of suggests factors other than the availability of guns come into play.
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Well, universal welfare in relation to poverty certainly is a factor - but I don't know if this alone reduces gun-deaths by a factor of almost 6.
 
Oliver said:
Hunting: Okay, it wouldn't work without guns. [Which doesn't mean that private persons should be allowed to go hunting without licences and training, especially in case of children]. Not to mention that "huntsman" is a profession over here, not a hobby for everyone.
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Good, we agree.

Sport Shooting: Yes, but there is no need to keep those guns at home, is there?
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Yes.

Self defense: Only necessary if the assaulter has a gun as well, which - thanks to the restricted gun laws - rarely is the case over here. So no good argument for allowing guns in the first place, especially in light of the good guys turning into the bad ones at some point in time.
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No, not correct.

Collector value: That's valid as well and as far I remember, it's legal in Germany as long the guns don't actually work. Or do collector items have to work for some reason other than literally being an exhibit?
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Not much point if they don't work. Would a collector of Hummel figurines want to collect them as long as they were broken?
 
Most boys like to shoot things. I think this is a fact.

They can use devices like blowpipes, slingshots and air guns as a child. I loved shooting on all kinds of things (non living) in the garden as a boy. My sisters never cared much about that. Maybe to try it out once. But the boys, we kept shooting. Some girls also like to shoot things, but most don't.

I also like to throw stones or snowballs, even as an adult. Give me a good supply of pebbles and a target and I am a happy man.

I don't like shooting on animals, but if I needed to hunt for food for survival, I would not mind.

So why would I want a gun? To SHOOT ON THINGS

A firearm is unpractical (noisy) and dangerous, so I am happy with a simple air gun.
 
Oliver said:
Well, I wan't a trillion and a nuke. But for some reason I don't think that I have any god-given right to own the money or the nuke.
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You don't have the right to carry a gun either. We do, so nyah. :p
 
BPSCG said:
How about "I want one"?
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Drudgewire said:
Yes, there's also the "guns are simply awesome and I want several, damnit" argument. http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/haw.gif
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Dictator Cheney said:
its said Iran wants a big gun (nukes) why do we want to prevent that?
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Oliver said:
Well, I wan't a trillion and a nuke. But for some reason I don't think that I have any god-given right to own the money or the nuke.
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Why do I have to have a good reason to want a gun?
 
Well, they're a helluva lot of fun, for one thing. I recently went shooting with a group, within which there were several newbies who had never done it before, and had never had any inclination to. Afterwards, to a person (several were female) they said "Ahhh! I get it now. Let's do that again." Try it, you might like it.
 
Oliver said:
Hunting

Self defense: Only necessary if the assaulter has a gun as well, which - thanks to the restricted gun laws - rarely is the case over here. So no good argument for allowing guns in the first place, especially in light of the good guys turning into the bad ones at some point in time.
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I'm sorry, but that's just straight wrong. Firstly, being armed with another weapon makes a person very dangerous as well. Secondly, if there is one thing I've learned through all my self defense and martial arts training it is that most any physical assault is not equal. One on one, one of those people could likely beat the other to death. If one guy is say, large, strong, fast and trained, well, yes, a gun, stun gun, or pepper spray really is necessary.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Oh Drudge, have a beer and relax. :) I was only correcting DC, not making a full on anti gun statement.
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I wasn't countering your point, only tossing out something that related to the OP since Germany is Oliver's home country.

Hey I'm with you... and certainly on the beer part.
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Buckaroo said:
Well, they're a helluva lot of fun, for one thing. I recently went shooting with a group, within which there were several newbies who had never done it before, and had never had any inclination to. Afterwards, to a person (several were female) they said "Ahhh! I get it now. Let's do that again." Try it, you might like it.
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Yeah, so far I've converted three anti-gun people with a single trip to the range, including mom.
 
BPSCG said:
Why do I have to have a good reason to want a gun?
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you prolly dont have to, but we have to, because we as a sociaty agreed on it that it is best to have restrictions.
 
Drudgewire said:
No good argument in a society that isn't overrun with them maybe. In the US, the assaulter being armed is often the case.

The arguments that work against injecting gun culture into a society that doesn't have one are very different from the ones against trying to restrict guns in a society which have always had them.
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If the country always allowed them without big restrictions, of course it's hard to get rid of them. Now the historical context in the US was a valid one back then, but I don't see any reason to oppose limitations today to get rid of as much weapons as possible to reduce violence and gun-availability in general unless there is a good reason other than "It's my right, period".

In other words: I never had that right, but I also don't miss it nor did I ever wish to have that right.


Drudgewire said:
Yes, there's also the "guns are simply awesome and I want several, damnit" argument. http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/haw.gif
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Out of curiosity: What's so "awesome" about guns? [I shot several weapons during my military service, I never thought it was awesome - keeping the consequences for the target in mind.]
 
Self defense: Only necessary if the assaulter has a gun as well, which - thanks to the restricted gun laws - rarely is the case over here. So no good argument for allowing guns in the first place, especially in light of the good guys turning into the bad ones at some point in time.
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This statement is silly when you think of how many people get stabbed and beaten to death every year. If someone broke into my house with a knife, they still have the potential to harm/kill/rape someone in my family. I would feel just as entitled to use deadly force if someone broke into my house bare-handed, as it is very possible to murder-death-kill someone without a weapon (especially if your muscles are as huge as mine).
 
Buckaroo said:
Well, they're a helluva lot of fun, for one thing. I recently went shooting with a group, within which there were several newbies who had never done it before, and had never had any inclination to. Afterwards, to a person (several were female) they said "Ahhh! I get it now. Let's do that again." Try it, you might like it.
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i did, it was okey, i guess it could be my hobby, but for me its enough to do it virtually on my PC :D (i know its not comparable)

i dont felt pretty save with that thingy in my hand. felt strange and dangerous. (this would change if i came used to it)
i prefer my mouse :D
 
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