I found the missing Jolt.

Crazy Chainsaw said:
Do you want me to explain it to you? It is called movement, that does not break the connections with the Facade. The facade and the rest of the building were applying a resisting force though the connections, when those connections failed so did the building.
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You are going to have to get into a little more detail as far as what connections you are talking about and interior and exterior columns movements needed to cause the tilt before the internal collapse.
 
DGM said:
I'm not really interested in any lean. I'm wondering how hundreds of explosive charges could avoid audio detection.

"Truthers", explain that and I'll be impressed.
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It sounds like getting to the bottom of this lean is important. How could it happen naturally before the interior even collapsed as tfk claims?
 
AJM8125 said:
If history is any indicator then it's likely tfk's veiw is being misrepresented.
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Here is what he said in post #741 of this thread

"This is a screen grab from about a minute prior before the collapse of the EPH, looking for the final amount of lean before collapse initiation."

"There is about a 2.5° tilt of the NW vertical corner of WTC7, prior to the internal collapses."
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
tfk says the tilt happened before the internal collapse and that had to happen before the exterior fell, so he is saying nothing had fallen yet when he claims the 2.5 degree tilt to the west was occurring. You don't agree with that?
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I agree with tfk, because what he describes is quite clearly what happened.
 
DGM said:
I'm not really interested in any lean. I'm wondering how hundreds of explosive charges could avoid audio detection.

"Truthers", explain that and I'll be impressed.
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LOL.
Yea, there's that.
That's the part that makes it physically impossible, given the circumstances of the day.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
It sounds like getting to the bottom of this lean is important. How could it happen naturally before the interior even collapsed as tfk claims?
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Why? Sounds like you are using it to avoid addressing the elephant in the room.

Tony, a couple hundred explosive charges are not subtle. Without a lot of prep, there would not have been an intact window in lower Manhattan and a lot of people with their ears ringing.
 
DGM said:
Why? Sounds like you are using it to avoid addressing the elephant in the room.

Tony, a couple hundred explosive charges are not subtle. Without a lot of prep, there would not have been an intact window in lower Manhattan and a lot of people with their ears ringing.
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How did this large 2.5 degree tilt happen at least a minute before any collapse? I would say that is an elephant that needs explaining.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
Here is what he said in post #741 of this thread

"There is about a 2.5° tilt of the NW vertical corner of WTC7, prior to the internal collapses."
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So.... It's starting to fall. Don't see what the problem is. If a building that size develops a lean, it's beginning to fall and ain't nothing going to stop it.
 
AJM8125 said:
So.... It's starting to fall. Don't see what the problem is. If a building that size develops a lean, it's beginning to fall and ain't nothing going to stop it.
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I showed you that tfk says his screen capture is from a minute before anything collapses. What caused the lean he claims?
 
Tony Szamboti said:
How could a tilt that large have happened before anything came down? Do you have any ideas?
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Ask the guy who built it. Pretty good job from what I could see.

I can't be sure exactly how it happened, but I damn sure know what didn't happen. No explosives. No thermite. No hush a booms.

Kinda narrows down the options.
 
NoahFence said:
Ask the guy who built it. Pretty good job from what I could see.

I can't be sure exactly how it happened, but I damn sure know what didn't happen. No explosives. No thermite. No hush a booms.

Kinda narrows down the options.
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The reality is you can't explain a lean before any collapse because there is nothing that could have caused it.

It looks like perspective tfk is mistaking for a tilt.
 
Evidence free CD fantasy fails to rise above failed 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

MicahJava said:
Explosives are just one of many ways to remove structural components of a building at will.
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Why is your fantasy of CD stuck in 9/11 Conspiracy Theories sub-forum? You have the fantasy of CD, the crime of the Century, but you are stuck here, not in breaking news, current evidence, or reality; just plain CD fantasy based on no evidence.
 
Tony Szamboti said:
How could a tilt that large have happened before anything came down? Do you have any ideas?
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Ductile deformation, during progressive collapse, softened steel stretching, and moving, as well as thermal expansion tilting columns.
Some steel stretches out some pushes on columns, it happens during natural fires from uneven heating.

You should talk to an engineer have him explain it to you, if you can't find an engineer, a welder, or even a black smith will do.
 
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Tony Szamboti said:
How did this large 2.5 degree tilt happen at least a minute before any collapse? I would say that is an elephant that needs explaining.
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I don't think it was that large. I also don't think it included the whole 610' of building.

You came up with 23' of lean using the whole building from it's base, correct? Why did you start there?
 
MicahJava said:
Explosives are just one of many ways to remove structural components of a building at will.
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And we only have evidence for fire. Done by fire.

But Tony has more, and expands the fantasy to more BS than one CT can hold.
Tony Szamboti said:
The aircraft impacts were used as causal ruses to blame outsiders. ...
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Are you on board with Tony's fantasy the aircraft were a ruse?
 
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