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Hypothetical. What if Biden died in the next few months?

ahhell said:
Anti bernie comments were often regarding age among other things of course. Age is really only a liability for the folks in the middle that mostly don't pay attention until the week of the election.

Basically a wash when it comes to Biden V Trump but biden does have more of an aura of oldness.
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Biden doesn't have an aura of 'oldness'. That man is a cunning and experienced fox who is as fast as a hunting falcon when he chooses to do a run-around of the Republican Party. He has had speech stumbles, but that is due to a long-standing speech impediment he has had since childhood and NOT age.

The senators who have an aura of 'oldness' are Diane Feinstein, and she has it due to the fact she has neurological issues, and Mitch McConnell who appeared to have a stroke like event in front of the camera. Feinstein won't leave the senate because she fears the Republicans won't allow her replacement. I don't know what's going on in McConnell's mind.
 
ahhell said:
This is unconnected to reality. Look at his recent showing in Hawaii. Biden has also done fewer public appearances than any president in my life time and rumors are he works from 10am to 4pm.

I will vote for him but this sort of lack of awareness will not help his cause. Republicans, non-binary voters, and not very partisan Dems read this and think, "are you crazy?"

He's a senile old liar who I will vote for because the option is a old liar who's and awful human and threat to democracy, I'm not going to pretend Biden isn't a senile old liar though.
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I disagree. There is a lot going on that we don't see, such as China's threat against US ally Taiwan. Biden strengthened the alliance with S Korea and Japan, creating a miniature NATO-like shield to counteract any aggression from China. And there is the ban against the selling of high-end microchips to China.

https://english.elpais.com/usa/2023-08-17/biden-reaches-out-to-japan-and-south-korea-to-unite-forces-against-china.html
 
Nosi said:
Biden doesn't have an aura of 'oldness'. That man is a cunning and experienced fox who is as fast as a hunting falcon when he chooses to do a run-around of the Republican Party. He has had speech stumbles, but that is due to a long-standing speech impediment he has had since childhood and NOT age.

The senators who have an aura of 'oldness' are Diane Feinstein, and she has it due to the fact she has neurological issues, and Mitch McConnell who appeared to have a stroke like event in front of the camera. Feinstein won't leave the senate because she fears the Republicans won't allow her replacement. I don't know what's going on in McConnell's mind.
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None of that makes sense. Except that both Feinstein and McConnel are also super old and should retire.

There is no way the GOP could prevent CA from replacing Feinstein with another Dem. They'd likely welcome it on account of senority. Granted they'd prefer a Rep but that's not possible so what could they do?

The highlighted bit, that's just fantasy. Sorry to be jerk but you just see things that aren't there.

Nosi said:
I disagree. There is a lot going on that we don't see, such as China's threat against US ally Taiwan. Biden strengthened the alliance with S Korea and Japan, creating a miniature NATO-like shield to counteract any aggression from China. And there is the ban against the selling of high-end microchips to China.

https://english.elpais.com/usa/2023-08-17/biden-reaches-out-to-japan-and-south-korea-to-unite-forces-against-china.html
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I generally agree with the administrations handling of foreign policy though, I hate to have that replaced by Trump or DeSantis or Ramasarmy. But, Biden has repeatedly replaced strategic ambiguity regarding Tawain with certainty only to have it backtracked by his administration. I think we should have stategic certainty in defending Tawain, but that's not US policy except when Biden misspeaks. That's not a cunning fox, its someone that doesn't remember what he's suppose to say.
 
I can't say enough I desperately want the Dems to win the presidency. It doesn't do any good to see Biden as something he is not. He is currently the lesser of two evils but were talking Cthulu vs .....Loki? IDK, maybe a greek god, total ******** but mostly uncaring ******** vs a god that wants to destroy the universe....
 
ahhell said:
This is unfortunately wishful thinking. Trump could beat either Biden or Harris but probably not most other possible Dem Candidates. Whitmer would almost certainly beat Trump, Newsom probably could. The problem is that the Dems can't see how unpopular Harris and Biden are. Biden should step out for the good of American and his party. Hard to do though.

Most of the other Reps could probably beat most of the potential Dems in the general, they just can't get through the primary.
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If my post is wishful thinking, then explain to me why the republican strategy for every election is now"steal it"?

Your worldview doesn't comport to reality.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
If my post is wishful thinking, then explain to me why the republican strategy for every election is now"steal it"?

Your worldview doesn't comport to reality.
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You are the one who seems to have a cockeyed worldview. There are plenty of polls out there showing Trump beating Biden, and plenty showing Biden beating Trump. The race is essentially a tossup at this point, and the idea that the Democrats could put up poop on a stick and still beat Trump is ridiculous and dangerous.
 
ahhell said:
I can't say enough I desperately want the Dems to win the presidency. It doesn't do any good to see Biden as something he is not. He is currently the lesser of two evils but were talking Cthulu vs .....Loki? IDK, maybe a greek god, total ******** but mostly uncaring ******** vs a god that wants to destroy the universe....
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I like how you go from “It doesn't do any good to see Biden as something he is not” to comparing Biden to a supervillain in the space of two sentences. Just absolutely topnotch political analysis. No notes.
 
johnny karate said:
I like how you go from “It doesn't do any good to see Biden as something he is not” to comparing Biden to a supervillain in the space of two sentences. Just absolutely topnotch political analysis. No notes.
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No problem with camparing trump to Cthulu though? You seem to understand analogy and exaggeration for comic effect up until I mention Biden's name.
 
Huh, I thought by Cthulu you meant the GOP as a whole. When Biden is the subject of the post, it's not at all unusual to continue to refer to him and not switch topics.
 
ahhell said:
No problem with camparing trump to Cthulu though? You seem to understand analogy and exaggeration for comic effect up until I mention Biden's name.
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I don’t have a problem with it insofar that you didn’t immediately precede your hyperbolic Trump analogy with an admonishment to be realistic about Trump.

But you know what, you’ve convinced me. Trump is bad, but Biden is also bad. It’s hard to disagree with such expert argumentation.
 
johnny karate said:
I don’t have a problem with it insofar that you didn’t immediately precede your hyperbolic Trump analogy with an admonishment to be realistic about Trump.

But you know what, you’ve convinced me. Trump is bad, but Biden is also bad. It’s hard to disagree with such expert argumentation.
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That is basically my point, exctept also, that pretending that biden isn't also bad will only help get Trump re-elected.

There are posts in this thread and others do the effect any dem could win against a burning bag of **** with an R. That attitude is who we got Trump as the president in the first place.

On the other hand, you have a good point. Starting a post with "be realistic" then following with and silly exaggeration was probably poor rhetoric.

My point, Biden sucks, Harris sucks, not as bad as Trump but they suck enough to potentially loose an election to trump.
 
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ahhell said:
That is basically my point, exctept also, that pretending that biden isn't also bad will only help get Trump re-elected.

There are posts in this thread and others do the effect any dem could win against a burning bag of **** with an R. That attitude is who we got Trump as the president in the first place.
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Yes, no one should pretend that the thing you’ve baselessly asserted isn’t true. That’s exactly how this works.
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
Huh, I thought by Cthulu you meant the GOP as a whole. When Biden is the subject of the post, it's not at all unusual to continue to refer to him and not switch topics.
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My only point is that I truly believe that I have choice between the lesser of two evils, Its just one is currently magnituces more evil than the other. I probalby should say the choice of two bads but one is actually evil?
 
johnny karate said:
Yes, no one should pretend that the thing you’ve baselessly asserted isn’t true. That’s exactly how this works.
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I really don't understand you're reaction. All I want in 2024 is that anyone other than Trump becomes the president of the US. I'd rather it be someone who isn't currently running but I'll take anyone, including Biden. I think the Dems and Progressives lack of awareness of Biden's....weakness as a candidate makes it more likely that Trump will win.

Biden's a senile old liar. He lost more than one presidential election on that score(primaries and mostly on the lies). Any video or recording of him makes that obvious. I'm legit surprised that some folks won't admit that. I realy think the lack of admiting that makes it more likely Trump will be elected.

Lets pretend for a moment I'm some what right.

Candidate A is generally good on policy but is clearly old and declining in his cognitive ability.
Candidate B is generally bad on policy and generally terrible but not clearly in cognitive decline.

I'm part of the half of the world that doesn't pay attention to politics until a week or so before the election. I see a bunch of folks telling how great Candidate A is when I can clearly see he ain't great. Why would I believe candidate B is as bad as they say?

ETA: The real worry about trump is that previously he was mostly sorrounded by responsible peopel, you can disagree but in the end, all but a few said no. If he's re-elected, who's gonna work for him thats willing to say no? Even if Biden is a senile old liar, he's gonna be supported by a staff of folks mostly willing to say no i necessary.

I think we mostly have the same goal in this thread, I just think the attitude of most of you will make that goal more difficult.
 
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ahhell said:
I really don't understand you're reaction. All I want in 2024 is that anyone other than Trump becomes the president of the US. I'd rather it be someone who isn't currently running but I'll take anyone, including Biden. I think the Dems and Progressives lack of awareness of Biden's....weakness as a candidate makes it more likely that Trump will win.

Biden's a senile old liar. He lost more than one presidential election on that score(primaries and mostly on the lies). Any video or recording of him makes that obvious. I'm legit surprised that some folks won't admit that. I realy think the lack of admiting that makes it more likely Trump will be elected.

Lets pretend for a moment I'm some what right.

Candidate A is generally good on policy but is clearly old and declining in his cognitive ability.
Candidate B is generally bad on policy and generally terrible but not clearly in cognitive decline.

I'm part of the half of the world that doesn't pay attention to politics until a week or so before the election. I see a bunch of folks telling how great Candidate A is when I can clearly see he ain't great. Why would I believe candidate B is as bad as they say?

ETA: The real worry about trump is that previously he was mostly sorrounded by responsible peopel, you can disagree but in the end, all but a few said no. If he's re-elected, who's gonna work for him thats willing to say no? Even if Biden is a senile old liar, he's gonna be supported by a staff of folks mostly willing to say no i necessary.

I think we mostly have the same goal in this thread, I just think the attitude of most of you will make that goal more difficult.
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So to recap, Biden is evil and senile. Trump is bad on policy and not in cognitive decline. But you don’t at all support Trump despite downplaying his negative attributes. Everyone just needs to realize that Biden is evil and senile or Trump will win, who again, you do not support in any way. Makes total sense, thanks. :thumbsup:
 
The fact that we don't know much about Harris is good.

We haven't had the President die.

She hasn't had to step in one day like Pence had to with Trump.

She hasn't had any scandals.

Actually, if you look at her Twitter feed, she says and does the right things a VP should do. She endorses the President's acts and words, meets and greets Americans, makes policy announcements.

https://x.com/kamalaharris

She just seems to be getting on with the job.
 
johnny karate said:
So to recap, Biden is evil and senile. Trump is bad on policy and not in cognitive decline. But you don’t at all support Trump despite downplaying his negative attributes. Everyone just needs to realize that Biden is evil and senile or Trump will win, who again, you do not support in any way. Makes total sense, thanks. :thumbsup:
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So, you can't ******* read?
 
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