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Hypnotherapy & Breast Enlargement. Please help..

Gotta admit that I'm getting a bit p*ssed off that I'm the one having to justify my position rather than anyone else justifying making probably stupid claims in the first place. Ho hum. :(
 
Penis enlargemnet through weight loss? You betcha. Less subcutaeneous fat allows parts that are fixed to skeletal bones to protrude farther. Look up "penis submergence" for how it works as weight is gained. Self hypnosis as diet aid? Sure, if it works for anything.

Hypnosis does help, for some people, for some habits. It ought to work to discourage overeating,and that ought to help with 'submergence' in men. And it ought to work to encourage exercise, and build pectoral muscles in women.

So, a study of diet and exercise re: breast and/or penis enlargement with and without hypnosis would prove a point. That point would be that diet and exercise would improve sex appeal.

Hmmm, I wonder if the claimed gains in penis size are varifiable through MRI scans? Or, like I surmise, the gains just the lessening of 'submergence'?
 
It would be nice if those three studies from the '70s that are constantly cited could actually be found anywhere so we could look at the methodology and results ourselves and not just have to take their word for it.

That said, I'm not prepared to toss this one out the window completely until we get some more real evidence, either for or against it. Breast size is constantly subject to fluctuation, based on hormones and other factors, so then the question becomes, can we subconsciously affect those hormones in a certain direction? Looking at conditions like pseudocyesis (false pregnancy), it's obvious that the subconscious mind does have the ability to cause changes in our bodies (lactation, abdominal distension, cessation of menstruation) that have no physiological basis for occurring. So then, the question becomes, is hypnosis a viable method for bringing about these changes? And the answer is, I don't know. Let's see the research.

Penis enlargement through hypnosis, on the other hand, is bunk. Unlike breast size, which changes for a variety of reasons, once you've reached adulthood, there's simply no internal process that will cause further permanent growth of your penis. And there's nothing hypnosis can do to counteract that fact.
 
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I will get the studies, probably tomorrow. I was going to get them today but I'm not in the best of health right now and just got out of bed and won't have time to get them yet today.

I'll try to scan them and get them up somewhere. I'll have to go somewhere to do this, but I'm hoping I can do it at the medical library. I have no idea of what software and/or scanner they have, so I make no promises.
 
Polkablues: I agree. If hormonal variations can be achieved through hypnotherapy then surely this is easily measured and I wonder why it hasn't been. Of course penis enlargement is bunk - I simply cut the text off the guys own website and overtyped "breast" with "penis" to attempt to prove a point.

ChristineR: thank you very much but please don't put yourself out. I hope you feel and get better soon. :)
 
The latest response I have received is:

I missed the original airing, but if you have Virgin on demand you can watch it.

I didnt feel that Hypnotherapy itself came under attack sorry to change your tracks, but I felt there were two issues in this programme, one was the possibility of changing your breast size which may or may not be possible. (It's not as if you are trying to grow a limb, we all know you can increase body mass through excercise, but can you do do it with hypnotic suggestion?)

And the other, which looked to me like motive for the programmes approach towards the lady hypnotist. this was the money charged for the treatment.... £150 per session and 25 sessions required for the end result of going from an A cup to C. (multiplied by however many clients she has) Any journalist worth his salt will go after that headline!! finally no one asked whether this would be the end of the treatment, or require permanent top up sessions at £150 a pop (no pun intended haha!)

Finally regarding the worthers versus crystals. dont be silly... if you are in need of healing, Anyone reaching out to help will comfort and console, that is why they are called healers, whether they use crystals, hot stones, divine spirit, hypnosis, reiki, counselling or liquorice allsorts. if you require healing, and trust your healer you will feel better.

Kind regards Miranda

P.S. May I remind you Jon, that on the ICH course, it is repeated from start to finish that we do not CURE major ailments, but we help relieve the symptoms. (Should we be fortunate enough for the relief to have such a far reaching effect that the client is able to boost their immune system high enough to overcome the illness, that is fabulous indeed!) regarding Aids, do you remember ICH module which includedThe Stanhope institute experiment regarding the fate of those who recieved absent healing and those who didn't?
 
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Absent healing? Uh oh! So I 've replied:

I agree with some of what you say. However...

I quite agree that we should never claim to CURE major ailments. Yet in effect that is exactly what is claimed regarding breast enlargement.

I am not being silly regarding my position on crystals, genies or any such healing". If you make a claim this healing is achieved by vibrational rock energy, spirit intervention or any such like superstition then by all current, established, scientific criteria you are lying. That is unethical regardless of "results" gained.

For the obvious "but as long as it helps" retort and highlighting the potential danger of such lies (& incidently being about a lady who conducted an absent healing study):

"Consider the Russian psychic Nicolai Levashov. He urged (Elizabeth) Targ to cease radiation treatment and then convinced Comings that the cancer was no longer killing her; it was the necrotic cancer tissue, Levashov insisted, that was poisoning her body. It had to be cut out or she would die. Comings wasted the last month of his wife's life on a wild goose chase, desperately calling every brain surgeon in the country, begging them to perform this surgery. In her final week, he made an appeal to the tumor board at Stanford. He gave them her MRIs and medical charts. The board met on Thursday; they made a decision but didn't call until the next morning.

"We're sorry," he was told. "We've looked carefully at it. We disagree with what you've been told. The tumor growth is killing her. We can't do the surgery."

"You're too late anyway," he returned. "She died last night."

taken from
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.12/prayer.html?pg=1&topic=&topic_set=

The Targ study is also discussed here:
http://skepdic.com/sichertarg.html

I do not recall any ICH module on absent healing so please provide any relevant information. Here are a couple of links on what I assume is a similar field:
http://www.csicop.org/cgi-bin/search/search.cgi?q=remote+healing
http://skepdic.com/prayer.html
 
ChristineR said:
This is a test...

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~crl/ajch4.pdf
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Cool! Thanks, Christine...

I only read the first two, and what I noticed was that they noted that most of the women also reported better scores an golf and bowling. Which is weird, but I wonder if the whole boobie-happy-images-hypnotherapy thing made them feel "enlivened" and become more active in those kinds of activities? Which would increase pectoral mass?

Either way, they never asked the women if they were doing exercises that we know beyond a shadow of a doubt could cause a slight increase in breast size. I think unless exercise is ruled out, the default assumption should be that.
 
Christine. Many, many thanks for the link and all your efforts. I haven't had a chance to read the articles yet but look forward to doing so.

I think I'll hang back for a couple of days before posting information on them in the hypnotherapy forum, to see what the more learned responses on here are first (thanks also Kelly).

:) :) :)
 
I've just had a chance to look at the AJCH studies kindly provided by Christine (http://www-personal.umich.edu/~crl/ajch4.pdf).

I'd agree with Kelly that regarding the first Willard study there seems to be a lack of control of known causes of breast size change, particularly exercise as well as diet.

Regarding the second Staib/Logan study however, no women reported doing any exercise that would have "contributed to these (waist) decreases" but still apparently had breast increases. Only three women took part though, with no control.

To me these studies don't seem to prove hypnotherapy could be conclusively proven to increase breast size at all. Can anyone far better at evaluation than I provide further criticism or validation of these studies?

Many thanks.
 
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Dunno about hypnotherapy. But alcohol seems to have the ability to make an average pair look decidedly nicer.
 
ponderingturtle said:
But those are not before and after pictures showing enlargement through hypnotherapy.

Useless.
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I wouldn't normally do this, and I apologise for stooping to it, but as there is an obvious (and only thinly veiled) demand for it, here is a link to a picture of some great tits.

Happy now boys?
 
If all you lot want to look at are boobs then take a look at this pair. My question is 'is this pornographic?'

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rjh01 said:
If all you lot want to look at are boobs then take a look at this pair. My question is 'is this pornographic?'

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I'd though this thread is about size, not number. But now that you have proposed a different interpretation, and what with the state of surgical implant technology....
 
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