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Hypnotherapy & Breast Enlargement. Please help..

Not quite accurate

There was a Penn & Teller: Bulls Hit! episode called "Sex, Sex, Sex" that touched on hypnosis for breast enlargement. It featured a hypnotherapist based in the Sacramento, CA area whose program involved sessions every week for about eight weeks. They interviewed three women undergoing the plan. Two said it didn't work, the other turned out to be a personal friend of the hypnotherapist.

The hypnotherapist was Kyrah Malan.

Hi, I hope you don't mind my butting in on your thread but I would like to make some comments and observations. As you may have noticed, I am the hypnotherapist in the episode you reference.

First of all, I would not make a judgment based on either of the shows mentioned here. My episode was *very* heavily edited to make it look the way they wanted it to.

For example, they chose not to show the woman they interviewed who had completed the series successfully (defining success as she was happy with the results.) The HBO representative asked for one woman who had completed the series and three to "follow". (They did not say it was for Penn & Teller, they said it was for a documentary.)

None of the three women finished their series of sessions in spite of the fact that they were doing it for free. (I do not know why they decided not to follow up.) I had been asked to do a very informal study and therefore was not asking for compensation, but it was made to look like they were being charged. I should also add that the cost is no more than for someone doing a series of sessions for weight loss, smoking cessation, hypnobirthing, or any other subject requiring multiple sessions.

The woman who claimed to be a friend was a client whom I never saw outside of the office. It's flattering to be thought of as a friend, but not accurate.

That aside, it is possible to use hypnosis to enlarge breasts, increase muscle mass, stimulate hair growth, stimulate rapid healing from injury or surgery, increase metabolic rate and other goals using the mind-body connection. The key is to get agreement (using ideomotor signaling) from the part of the mind that governs the appropriate function(s), and then set anchors which are fired by the client frequently throughout each day. The more often the anchor is fired, the faster the results regardless of the specific goal.

It's also important (for breast enlargement specifically) to do "parts" or "subpersonality" work to eliminate subconscious resistance, do past timeline and future timeline work, and address subconscious fears of success and or failure, which is why it requires a series of sessions.

The quantity and speed of success also varies based on the woman's body type, e.g. if a woman tends to put on weight around the middle of her torso and back, the results are faster than a woman who has a smaller frame on top and puts on weight more easily in the buttocks and thighs.

It is a misnomer that the easiest way to increase breast size is simply by eating more, because there are four different basic body types (not the endomorph-mesomorph classifications) and only two of these body types naturally (without hypnosis) increase breast size by eating more. The idea is to increase in size only where it's wanted.

If you are really interested in learning more, I'd suggest doing a Google search on Wendi Friesen (I don't think I can put a link here since I'm new). She sells a hypnosis tape set for breast enlargement and I believe there is a booklet included that offers more specific explanations on the hows and whys.

I hope this has been helpful. If (and only if) you would like me to look more closely at the questions posted at the top of the thread, I'll do so.
 
Kyrah
Welcome to this forum. I think this forum needs people like you to be members, so I hope you make your contribution to many threads. You say
it is possible to use hypnosis to enlarge breasts, increase muscle mass, stimulate hair growth, stimulate rapid healing from injury or surgery, increase metabolic rate and other goals using the mind-body connection.
Do you know of any study that supports that statement, or any part of it? It would be great if it was a double blind study.
Also how successful are you? How do you know the answer to this question?
 
Kyrah
Welcome to this forum. I think this forum needs people like you to be members, so I hope you make your contribution to many threads. You say
Do you know of any study that supports that statement, or any part of it? It would be great if it was a double blind study.
Also how successful are you? How do you know the answer to this question?

Hi RJH, and thank you for the warm welcome. I'll do my best to supply references without being able to supply links. The first article is found on the MayoClinicproceedings website and explains the difficulty of using double-blind studies for hypnosis:

"Evaluation of clinical trials of hypnosis is complicated by the nature of hypnosis. The gold standard of a randomized, double-blind, controlled trial is virtually impossible because cooperation and rapport between patient and therapist are needed to achieve a receptive trance state. The few hypnosis trials that were blinded involved suggestions delivered by audiotape during surgery while patients were under general anesthesia (assumed to be a hypnoticlike state). Evaluation of these trials is limited by the lack of standardized techniques for hypnotic induction, evaluation of the level of trance, delivery of suggestions, or number and length of sessions."​

There is also a reference to rapid healing:

"Two trials evaluated the potential for hypnotic suggestions to facilitate faster wound healing after injuries or surgery. A pilot trial of hypnosis for patients with nondisplaced ankle fractures showed marginally faster healing, diminished pain, and increased mobility and functionality.84 Eighteen presurgical patients were assigned randomly to a hypnosis group that received positive suggestions for healing, a control group that received supportive attention to the patients’ concerns, or a standard care group. Surgeons were unaware of their treatment group.85 Patients in the hypnosis group showed significantly improved healing at 1 and 7 weeks postoperatively compared with the other groups "​

This is an excellent abstract and references 144 articles so while it's a long read, there's a lot of good information here.

On mind-body muscle mass increase:

"Studies at the University of Manchester, in Great Britain, revealed amazing results about Mind Body Muscle increase in just one week. One group of people did only hypnotic exercises and another group did real exercises for the same amount of time of as the hypnosis group. The group who did real exercise increased their targeted muscle size and strength by 30% whereas the group who ONLY did the hypnosis exercises increased the targeted muscle size and mass by 16%.

Bolocofsky, David N.; Spinler, Dwayne; Coulthard-Morris, Linda (1985)"​

Scientific research on hypnotic breast enlargement:

"Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology. Vol:54 489-482

1. Peter H.C. Mutke. M.D. (UCLA) performed the first study. He presented his results as a research paper to the Department of Neuropsychiatry, University of California, Los Angeles, February
28, 1971. As of 1994, Dr Mutke was still with UCLA and has been active in the American Council of Hypnotist Examiners.
2.Williams, J.E., Stimulation of Breast Growth. “Journal of Sex Research,” 1974, 10:316-326. His thirteen volunteers averaged 2.11 inch increase in the circumference of their breasts (2 cups sizes).

3. Staib, A.R., and Logan, D.R., Hypnotic Stimulationof Breast Growth. “The American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis, “ 1997, 4:201-208. They repeated Dr. Wiliams’ results with similar results. They also found women’s waist size increased by 1.4 inches. Their follow up study showed that 81% of the breast enlargement was retained several months after the women stopped their visual imagery.

4.Willard, R.D., Breast enlargement through visual imagery and hypnosis. “The American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis, “1977, 4:195-200. Dr Willard used a different technique than Dr. Williams (who used ae regression and age progression) and achieved an average 1.44 inch increase in breast size for his 22 volunteers. Every woman had an increase in their breast circumference.

5. Wilson, Donlad L. MD, “Natural Bust Enlargement with Total Mind Power”How to use the other 90% of your brain to increase the size of your breasts. 1979 Book. Has the scripts and a great bibliography. Dr Wilson ran a clinic in California with great success.

6. Beran, Roy (a neurologist at Adelaide Children’s Hospital, England) presented the results of his study to the February 1979 National Convention of Hypnotherapists in Adelaide, Dr Beran showed that the breast volume (he measured the breast’s cubic displacement of water) more than doubled during the three month hypnosis program.

Excerpt of the Results sectionof the Willard study:
At the end of 12 weeks, 28% had reached the goal they had set at the beginning of the program and desired no further enlargement. There were 85% who could tell a significant enlargement in their breasts had been accomplished, and 46% found it necessary to buy a larger brassiere. Forty-two percent had a loss in weight of greater than 4 pounds and still had enlargement of their breasts. The average increase in circumference was 1.37 inches; the average increase in the vertical measurement was 0.67 inches and the average increase in horizontal measurement was 1.01 inches…. {note: the study was continued past 12 weeks to let those who hadn’t reach their goals to do so.}

In this study, 63% of the subjects had had children and complained of pendulous breasts. These subjects expressed a desire to reclaim the fullness and contour of the breasts which they had before pregnancies. All of theses subjects reported they were very pleased with the increase in fullness and firmness of their breasts at the end of the study…..
The only two subjects who subjectively felt there had been no significant increase, did have a measurable increase in size. Both subjects had difficulty obtaining visualizations. All of the subjects reprted an increase in firmness of their breasts. All of the subjects who began the study withone breast smaller than the other found them to be equal in size at the end of the twelve weeks

Investigated the effects of hypnosis in weight loss for 60 females, at least 20 % overweight and not involved in other treatment…hypnosis was more effective than a control group (17 vs 5 pounds on follow-up).

Kirsch, Irving (1996)."​

On hair growth:

"Hypnotherapy may enhance the mental well-being of patients with alopecia areata and it may improve clinical outcome," Dr Ria Willemsen, of Free University in Brussels, and colleagues write in the Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology"

The doctor tested several individuals against a control group to determine how effective hypnosis is in dealing with alopecia areata. "Willemsen's team explored hypnosis as a treatment for 21 individuals with extensive hair loss on 30% or more of their scalp that had lasted for at least three months."

"These patients, all of whom previously failed to respond to treatment... were followed for anywhere from six months to six years."

When the testing was completed, it was noted that nearly 60% of the group had grown hair on at least 75% of their scalp, which was a huge improvement. What was more, 3 out of 4 people within this level of achievement had experienced total hair growth - Willemsen, R., Vanderlinden, J., Deconinck, A., & Roseeuw, D. (Aug 2006). Hypnotherapeutic management of alopecia areata. Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 55(2), 233-237."​
(Personal note: this study mentions that 5 people experienced significant relapse but does not explain why - which leaves me to wonder if their personal circumstances had an influence on the success or lack thereof)

As far as how successful I am personally, I've never whipped out a tape measure and measured clients myself, so I have to go on what they tell me. The average increase is 1.5", and as I mentioned in my earlier post, the number of times and consistency with which the trigger is fired is a major factor. One woman who was very motivated reported an increase of 3", but I would imagine this should be considered an anomaly and not the norm.
 
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As far as how successful I am personally, I've never whipped out a tape measure and measured clients myself, so I have to go on what they tell me. .

Okay, so you have no proof of any breast changes. You don't even give your own opinion.

The small gains you say your clients claim could be easily caused by something as simple as feeling better about themselves, so having better posture. Or, feeling better about themselves and going on a spree and buying a new bra of a more expressive design. Or, feeling better about themselves enough to give a more positve imterpretation to the tape measurement. Or maybe getting a complemnetary surgical enhancement. Or maybe just lying about it, because they don't want to admit that they spent all that for nothing. They probably even send you new clients.

Pretty good business, that of hypnotherapist. There's a new client born every second.
 
The way I see it...

There is clearly a connection between mind and body - if there weren't, we'd all be paralysed... and clearly, the state of mind can also influence the state of the body, via hormonal and neural paths, e.g. stress hormones, adrenalin, etc. It also seems reasonably well established that deep suggestion techniques such as hypnosis can influence the state of mind, and consequently have effects on the body (e.g. stress relief, etc). Effective pain suppression and/or relief can often be achieved this way - although I believe is probably a CNS effect rather than a change in the pain sensor response). Techniques such as visualisation can improve physical performance, and I've also heard good evidence of other autonomic NS effects, such as reduced bleeding from injuries. The reports of beneficial effects of visualisation on muscle growth are interesting, but I'd like to see more replicating studies.

More direct and precise control of bodily functions normally outside conscious control can be achieved by feedback techniques, where some indication of changes in the function can be given.

This leaves me in no doubt that mental techniques, including hypnosis, can have effects on the body, via known or plausible pathways.

I watched the BBC programme on breast augmentation via hypnosis, and found it, as is sadly often the case with recent BBC 'investigative' jounalism, to be short on science, logic, and facts, and long on bias and presumption. The suggestion that by 'proving' this claim for hypnosis false, they debunked not only the practitioners but any value in hypnosis itself, was particularly unfortunate.

However, although the programme's crude techniques could not prove or disprove anything (I suppose it was only meant to be entertainment), I have yet to see any explanation of the mechanisms proposed for the claimed hypnotic breast augmentation.

The only plausible way I can imagine to increase breast size over the duration of a single session (less than an hour), would be by a temporary increase in the blood or lymphatic content. It is (barely) conceivable that this might be achievable by an experienced subject using feedback techniques to restrict the venous or lymphatic return via autonomic nervous control. I don't find it remotely plausible that this could be achieved by an untrained, inexperienced subject in the absence of accurate feedback. Regardless, any size change of this kind would be temporary, and could probably be exceeded by a decent (indecent?) massage.

There is no way any breast tissue could grow in such a short time to give a measurable increase in size, and the only plausible mechanism by which such growth could be stimulated in the medium to long term (weeks and months) would presumably be via hormonal changes similar to pregnancy (increased oestrogen levels?).

If the claim for breast augmentation through hypnosis is that tissue growth occurs, then I would expect that repeated sessions would be required over many weeks, but more importantly, it should be possible to measure the hormonal changes in blood or urine before any measurable growth had occurred, i.e. after only one or two sessions.

This still leaves the problem of explaining how hypnotic suggestion could cause an increase in oestrogen levels, but it could be argued that this is just an extreme example of the basic problem of explaining how the mind affects the body at all.

In short, the claim that a single session could cause a long-term increase in breast size is totally implausible, and the possibility that it could cause a temporary increase (for minutes or perhaps hours), is extremely implausible. A claim that multiple sessions over an extended period could cause a long-term increase in breast size is quite implausible. And I think that assessment is pretty generous...

All such claims could be tested fairly easily if it was thought to be worth doing. In my opinion it would be a waste of time.

Reports claiming to have done this, suggesting the you use the 'other 90% of your brain' should be taken as fiction, however successful the clinic, as anyone who was only using 10% of their brain would be in intensive care.
 
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Casebro,

I wasn't asked for my opinion, I was asked for facts. I responded with case studies and information that was requested. If I had responded with my opinion, I'm sure you would have delighted in pointing this out.

A woman who comes to a hypnotherapist because she wants to increase her breast size will have already tried new bras, standing up straight, herbal pills and formulas, exercise, etc, which leads me to believe that you haven't had any personal experience with this issue. As far as positive interpretations of tape measurements, I've yet to hear of a measurement changing through sheer will or desire.

Clients are told before the first session what the average change in size is, and it's their choice to decide whether they want to make an appointment. 1" = 1 cup size, 2" = 2 cup sizes, which for many women is not "small gains". If they want a more significant change, they will choose surgical augmentation, not hypnosis.

If you aren't satisfied with a professional's services, you're hardly likely to recommend them to someone else, let alone continue going to them. It's a pretty well known fact (although I don't have statistics to offer) that people are much more likely to voice complaints about a company, individual, service or product than recommend them.
 
Hi Kyrah. Many thanks for getting involved in this.

Of the studies you mention, I have only seen the AJCH reports (kindly provided by ChristineR) which for anyone interested are still available for download here: http://hyperfileshare.com/d/5902a31b

Initial impressions of these reports however seems that there are problems with the studies, such as regarding control of known breast variables such as diet & exercise, sample size with no control (Staib/Logan), lack of any blind - always a problem for this kind of study admittedly, self-reporting, etc. They don't seem in any way conclusive but rather only a call for further study, which does not seem to have happened.

I'm also particularly interested in what you say below:

The key is to get agreement (using ideomotor signaling) from the part of the mind that governs the appropriate function(s), and then set anchors which are fired by the client frequently throughout each day. The more often the anchor is fired, the faster the results regardless of the specific goal.

It's also important (for breast enlargement specifically) to do "parts" or "subpersonality" work to eliminate subconscious resistance, do past timeline and future timeline work, and address subconscious fears of success and or failure, which is why it requires a series of sessions.

Whilst I understand all of the above within the hypnotherapeutic practice, could they not simply be an emotional and intellectual re-inforcement of the subject's belief in increased breast size rather than of any genuine size change? I have no issue with the use of hypnosis to cause a positive change in self image but remain dubious as to any actual, physical hypnotic change.

Regards
Jon.
 
Ah, Jon's post came in as I was tapping away at mine. This is addressed to Kyra as well:

Breast size changes monthly, throughout a woman's cycle. It also changes when a woman is aroused. Please look into why, if you care about people at all.

Hypnotherapy cannot change breast size permanently either way. Thinking about something does not make actual tissue changes (increasing or decreasing fatty or glandular).

You also cannot gain muscle mass or lose other fatty tissue just by thinking about it. Your body ignores conscious thought that way. It needs input (food, exercise) and the digestive and metabolic systems are unaffected by anything you think about.

One system can be temporarly affected by perception, as long as it causes a release of adrenaline to affect the sympathetic feedback system. But, you don't want the sympathetic system constantly stimulated, as that would drive you crazy in more ways than one. That system still does not cause breast tissue to increase or decrease permanently. Increased blood flow is not an accurate measure of whether or not breast tissue has been permanently affected.

It's a good darn thing these systems are so separate. Our body doesn't need our interference when it comes to how it operates. It will respond to other input (exercise, food input).

You can increase your breast size by eating way more than you need to survive, and not exercising. Fatty tissue will oblingingly build up.

Since hypnotherapy does not take any real factors on as variables, there is no responsible way of trying to "prove" it works by the flawed methods used currently. There is also no physiological reason why it would work. A simple course in human anatomy and body systems would dispell sugh ignorant notions.

It's completely misleading to take people's money and promise impossible results, all the while ignoring natural fluxes, daily diet, and activity variables.

But, you're allowed to make the claims, as ignorant about the human body as you are.
 
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I just read that part on "subconscious resistance". This gives kyra a reason to blame the client/victim if her hypnotherapy doesn't work (as it won't, ever). Nice out. Very convenient. Kind of evil, even.

But, if you can convince enough people to BELIEVE it worked, with the usual non-evidence of proven measures of actual tissue increases and variable controls (eating, exercises), then you'll keep your little racket going. Heck, tell them exercise is BAD for them, and over-eating is good. Their breast sizes will increase for sure.

The more I think about this, the more disgusted I get.
 
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could they not simply be an emotional and intellectual re-inforcement of the subject's belief in increased breast size rather than of any genuine size change?

Hi Jon,

I think (and this is just my opinion) that belief in possible change is important, but it's not enough in and of itself. If that were the case, it would be possible to increase size just through the use of positive affirmations or subliminal suggestions. Maybe it has been done, but I haven't heard of it. In my experience and from what I've heard from other hypnotherapists, in order to effect any *lasting* physical changes, regardless of the goal, it's necessary to engage the part(s) of the brain that we consider "unconscious", e.g. all the functions that occur without us needing to be consciously directing them, such as heart rate, blood pressure, blood flow, nervous system, & tissue growth and repair.

I also think it's interesting that we all have such diverse personal limitations on our beliefs. It's easy for some to believe that hypnosis can decrease perception of pain, but difficult to believe in hypnoanaesthesiology, where a patient who is allergic to aenesthesia has major surgery *without pain* through the use of hypnosis. Similarly, some believe it's possible to speed up recovery and tissue repair (which is a form of tissue growth) through hypnosis, but not tissue growth alone, as in increasing breast size or muscle mass.

I agree that there haven't been enough case studies, but as mentioned in the Mayo Clinic abstract, controls are difficult for a variety of reasons. I did a search through the NCCAM (National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine) and while NCCAM endorses hypnosis and has funded many studies, there weren't many reports available.

Regards,
Kyrah
 
I am not surprised you would say reality is a limitation on your little con about beliefs and the "power of the human mind".

OF course the NCCAM would endorse it, they think reality about the human body and its physiology should be ignored too.

I see this is a lost cause, and as usual, buyer beware.
 
Hi Kyrah.

I think (and this is just my opinion) that belief in possible change is important, but it's not enough in and of itself. If that were the case, it would be possible to increase size just through the use of positive affirmations or subliminal suggestions. Maybe it has been done, but I haven't heard of it. In my experience and from what I've heard from other hypnotherapists, in order to effect any *lasting* physical changes, regardless of the goal, it's necessary to engage the part(s) of the brain that we consider "unconscious", e.g. all the functions that occur without us needing to be consciously directing them, such as heart rate, blood pressure, blood flow, nervous system, & tissue growth and repair.

It appears that the problem here is that there doesn't seem to actually be any valid evidence that genuine lasting physical change can indeed be effected in breast size, albeit using visualisation, parts, chair therapy or whatever other hypnotherapy technique. You yourself only rely on subject testimonial with all the inherent flaws that entails.

I also think it's interesting that we all have such diverse personal limitations on our beliefs. It's easy for some to believe that hypnosis can decrease perception of pain, but difficult to believe in hypnoanaesthesiology, where a patient who is allergic to aenesthesia has major surgery *without pain* through the use of hypnosis. Similarly, some believe it's possible to speed up recovery and tissue repair (which is a form of tissue growth) through hypnosis, but not tissue growth alone, as in increasing breast size or muscle mass.

We of course all have limitations of belief. Some may affect our lives negatively, but some are just plain sensible. No matter how deeply I may think I can, I'll sadly never be able to leap the Empire State building in a single bound. One has to remain within what's known to be possible.

There's little dispute that hypnosis can be used (to a point) for pain relief purposes - I've used glove anaesthesia myself - but it still comes down to the subject's belief. A placebo can also be equally effective in pain reduction assuming that the subject has a comparably equal belief in efficacy (see Dylan Evans, Placebo: Mind Over Matter in Modern Medicine).

I agree that there haven't been enough case studies, but as mentioned in the Mayo Clinic abstract, controls are difficult for a variety of reasons. I did a search through the NCCAM (National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine) and while NCCAM endorses hypnosis and has funded many studies, there weren't many reports available.

As Eos states, NCCAM is far from being a reputable source.

Unfortunately it does all seem to come down only to belief. Since that's pretty much what hypnosis & hypnotherapy by nature at core relies upon that's not really surprising. Regarding breast enlargement, you believe it works and your clients believe it works, but that doesn't mean it really does!

Working through a client's emotional body-image issue(s) using parts, re-framing, etc. techniques is fine. For me, the problem is should such a (potentially dubious) claim/service of permanent, actual physical change be sold unless/until indeed proven.

Regards,
Jon.
 
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Welcome Kyrah.

I know from experience that you can make your breasts larger by hitting them really hard. They turn all sorts of colors and swell like crazy.

Ignoring this not recommended method, I gather that the proposed mechanism is to increase blood flow to the breast area, which could at least result in temporary swelling. I suppose there could be some sort of permanence if there is some sort of change to the tissue like increased blood vessel growth.

All this sounds very speculative though, so I think it would make sense to get some sort of hard data showing that breast size can in fact be increased in this way.
 
I found the abstract for the hairloss one:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=16844504&dopt=Citation

BACKGROUND: Only limited data exist on the role of psychotherapy in alopecia areata (AA). OBJECTIVE: We sought to document the influence of hypnotherapy on psychologic well-being and clinical outcome in AA. METHODS: Hypnosis was used in 28 patients with extensive AA who were refractory to previous conventional treatments. It was added as a complementary treatment or used as the only treatment. RESULTS: In all, 21 patients, 9 with alopecia totalis or alopecia universalis and 12 with extensive AA, were analyzed during a 5-year period. After treatment, all patients had a significantly lower score for anxiety and depression. Scalp hair growth of 75% to 100% was seen in 12 patients after 3 to 8 sessions of hypnotherapy. Total growth occurred in 9 of these 12 patients, including 4 patients with alopecia universalis and 2 with ophiasis. In 5 patients, a significant relapse occurred. LIMITATIONS: This is a preliminary study with a limited number of patients. A larger randomized study is necessary. CONCLUSION: Hypnotherapy may enhance the mental well-being of patients with AA and it may improve clinical outcome.

I'd need to see a study that tested hypnosis in the absence of theraputic treatments that are known to be effective for it to mean anything.
 
Hm, well as far as hard data or valid evidence, the five studies I listed in an earlier post would have had to take the variables you mentioned (change in diet, exercise, monthly cycle) into consideration. If one is really interested in researching this, I'm sure that one or more of the authors could be tracked down for a full copy. That's really the only way one will know, rather than making a snap judgment.

Increased blood flow is not enough, as mentioned that is only temporary and the goal is tissue growth (not blood vessel growth or increase in lymphatic fluids) beyond the normal monthly fluctuations in size, without hitting the breasts black and blue, and without eating for weight gain (see my earlier comments about this.)

I suppose the best barometer would be visual proof (since the use of a tape measure has already been disqualified by another poster), but I'm not inclined to ask former clients to send before and after pictures to post here (btw, the woman HBO chose *not* to show in the documentary did supply a before picture in addition to allowing them to video her bare upper torso.) Even if I did and they agreed, someone could claim the photos had been retouched.

I suspect this will always remain a controversial subject, as there are still people who don't believe in hypnosis for less highly charged topics as pain relief, eneuresis, or rapid healing, and some who even consider it the work of Satan.

Jon and Christine, I appreciate your considerate responses. Again, thanks for letting me butt in on your discussion.

Regards,
Kyrah
 
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Hi Kelly,

I noticed in the sentence you highlighted, "It was added as a complementary treatment or used as the only treatment." it doesn't break down by number how many patients added hypnosis as a complementary treatment or how many used it as the only treatment.

Likewise, "Scalp hair growth of 75% to 100% was seen in 12 patients after 3 to 8 sessions of hypnotherapy" doesn't state how many of these 12 patients were using hypnosis alone.

If you are able to find a link to the full study, which should break down these numbers more thoroughly, that would be nice.
 
Hi Jon,

They should have worn bikini tops for the before *and* after pictures. While the first woman seemed bigger, the second woman did not look like a C cup to me. (And as someone who has clearly had more experience staring at pictures of breasts, I'll bow to you on the first one, LOL.)

Also, 20 sessions seems like quite a lot to me. The average number is 6-8 sessions once a week.

Btw, the woman mentioned in the article (Wendi Friesen) is the same one I referenced earlier. I know her by acquaintance, and she had a very successful practice (defined by the number of clients pleased by their results) before moving to tapes and CDs.

Regards,
Kyrah
 
Hi Kelly,

I noticed in the sentence you highlighted, "It was added as a complementary treatment or used as the only treatment." it doesn't break down by number how many patients added hypnosis as a complementary treatment or how many used it as the only treatment.

Likewise, "Scalp hair growth of 75% to 100% was seen in 12 patients after 3 to 8 sessions of hypnotherapy" doesn't state how many of these 12 patients were using hypnosis alone.

If you are able to find a link to the full study, which should break down these numbers more thoroughly, that would be nice.


I looked for one, but don't have access. Maybe someone else here does, though.
 

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