Hypnosis: had any experience of it?

[theprestige]

And this has to do with your rape culture joke I didn't find funny, how?

Sorry, I'm not following you.

If hypnosis is as easy and effective as you seem to believe, why isn't it Chapter One of every PUA handbook?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

If hypnosis is as easy and effective as you seem to believe, why isn't it Chapter One of every PUA handbook?

Show me where I claimed it was effective for anything except inducing hallucinations in a small percentage of people.

PUA? Pick-up artist?


I've noted more than once now why there is a controversy over the existence of an actual hypnotic trance. Now with better brain function measurements hypnosis can be demonstrated objectively.

 

[Myriad]

This thread is reminding me more and more of that thread where the guy saw his friend lifted up by an invisible demon and thrown into a fire (and then back out of it, unharmed). That's This thread. (My own cornerstone post in the thread is on this page).

For those who want to try the comparison themselves, I've spoilered the points of similarity I see.

• In both cases, the narrator is talking about someone else's dramatic experience.

• Both experiences impressed the narrator greatly but the person the experience supposedly happened to reportedly had little or no reaction.

• In both cases, the someone else was a close friend at the time, and someone with whom the narrator seemed to have had little subsequent contact.

• Both experiences involved mysterious influences whose power and importance were thereby impressed upon the narrator.

• Both experiences involve someone rising into the air, or believing they did.

• Both accounts show signs of having been reduced to verbal memories, where specific details are polished off. In the campfire experience, for instance, the narrator was certain the person had been "lifted by an invisible hand," but the details of what was seen that led to that conclusion (versus, for instance, their having levitated or jumped or thrown upward) weren't forthcoming.

Therefore, it might make sense to apply the same points I made to Ethnikos in the old thread. SG, everything you've said about this event points to it being primarily an experience of yours rather than of your friend's.

Since you heard your brother tell your friend she was on the ceiling looking down, you must have been listening to what your brother was saying to your friend, and able to hear him clearly.

So, who was actually being hypnotized? Who experienced hallucinations as a result?

Are you sure?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

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Therefore, it might make sense to apply the same points I made to Ethnikos in the old thread. SG, everything you've said about this event points to it being primarily an experience of yours rather than of your friend's.

Since you heard your brother tell your friend she was on the ceiling looking down, you must have been listening to what your brother was saying to your friend, and able to hear him clearly.

So, who was actually being hypnotized? Who experienced hallucinations as a result?

Are you sure?

The ceiling was my suggestion.

Not sure why I have to keep reminding everyone, my anecdote convinced me. It wasn't supposed to convince anyone else, just explain why I'm convinced some people can be hypnotized to hallucinate.

The evidence is the studies I cited showing objective brain changes in hypnotized persons. And a variety of brain measures were used: EEG, fMRI, PET scan, and carefully measured eye movements.

 

[Myriad]

Does your brother recall the same basic sequence of events? What about your brother's friend?

How did your brother bring Teri out of it, given that she was panicking and screaming?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Does your brother recall the same basic sequence of events? What about your brother's friend?

How did your brother bring Teri out of it, given that she was panicking and screaming?

Same sequence? Not sure what you mean.

I haven't talked to my brother about the hypnosis stuff in decades. And I haven't seen Ken or Teri since high school.

He told her she was on the ground, then told her she was awake. It only took seconds to wake her up. You don't waste time when someone is that freaked out, not when you are freaked out by the person getting freaked out.

 

[Senex]

I've always been interested in hypnosis. I can even perform a squirrelly hypnosis show if motivated. My thinking is there is no such thing as an hypnotic state. There is no medical test that can discern a hypnotized subject from a motivated pretender. Simple suggestion is my explanation.