Hyper Dimensional Design

[Dutch]

DarbyII:

Dutch copied most of this clap-trap from Hoagland. Hoagland “borrowed” most of this from astrology to make his Marz-Barz case - not to mention money, lots of it (and I have no problem with anyone making an honest buck, operant word being "honest"). Go to any astrology site and see how an astrological chart is drawn. It is based on Ptolemaic astronomy, perfect circles and geocentricity. Somewhere in the past three or four years I believe that we discovered that Earth is not the center of the universe, planets do not travel in perfect circular orbits and orbital mechanics is so complex that we can't actually predict the position of the moon in the future by a single equation. Or was that a bit more than three or four years ago that we discovered all of this? I forget.

Hoagland is listed in the library yes. He uses platonic solid based geometry yes. I use it to monitor Earthchange activities and possibly HD initiated events on other planets/ sun etc.
I do have a problem with making money of this, so I don't why you've posted this here. Again: circular orbits are irrelevant, even if a planet would make an impossible squared orbit, it's still the orbital period that matters in relation to the intelligent correlations.

 

[Dutch]

DarbyII:

Would someone please put this thread to bed. I did on Anomalies. I will admit it. I closed Dutch’s thread on Anomalies.net, started within days of the thread here, and PM’ed Dutch telling him that I would unlock his thread and move it back to the public forum as soon as he decided to openly, honestly and without any smart aleck retorts address your questions here. He’s been TOS’ed on other sites for the same uncooperative tactics. I don’t expect that to happen here and it won’t happen on Anomalies. He can be uncooperative as much as he wants. That’s his choice. Along with choice comes responsibility. Start a dialogue that people put years into and refuse to be a good citizen by answering their honest inquiries and there is a price to pay for irresponsibility. A dialogue of one is not a dialogue (is that called a truism?)

Put this thread to bed? Yes you did on anomalies and I have yet to see the first valid reason why you do so. You are plain wrong with your critisism and you have no reason to delete the thread at all.
It's just an easy way out for you. Be convincing with intelligent contributions and come with valid reasons. It's shocking to see that others are accepting your, as it appears now, wrong critisism blindly.

I am very willing to have a decent dialogue and I am sinsere.

Look at yourself an make up your mind about how you have bean treating this lately.

 

[Dutch]

Thanks for your excellent summary of where Dutch got his information from. Also, I'm surprised no one else here saw his elementary math error. Is it possible it was just a typo on Dutch's part?

Apparently I'm the only one who's not asleep.

I am surprised that you guys are accepting Darby's 'elementary math error' just like that, while he is plain wrong, HDdesign is right. The fact that you don't check for yourselves says it all.

I did, because I had some time to do so today

 

[Dutch]

Great post, Darcy.

Dutch is wrong in so many ways, as this thread proves, and you've just shown us a lot more.

I also don't think the JREF will shut the thread down, because it's not policy in cases such as this. Plus, most of the time, Dutch debunks himself.

Still, I do remember one thread, the legendary "Realistice" thread in 9/11 Conspiracy Theories, which was shut down. It was basically one guy against a whole heap of debunkers. I may have to find out what the difference between this and that was.


This.

Well Orphia, Darby is wrong so you can't hide behind him.

I think you should indeed find out what the diffrence between is, maybe we can finally expect an intelligent contribution from you.

 

[Dutch]

I've just asked in Forum Management Questions what's the difference between this thread and "Realistice".

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231174

find out yourselves Orphia, I would really enjoy a conversation with you in which your contributions will show that you have done your research and that you actually try to understand what HDDesign is all about. Don't hide behind others.

If you want this to stop you and others just have to stop posting. I'm not crossposting here so the thread could become dormant if that's what you want. I for one, will stop by for posting significant findings if I feel the need.

 

[Dutch]

In that post you talk about a poster debating, but Dutch isn't doing any debating at all.
He is (has been) abusing the forum for a purpose for which it was not intended.
His current posts are entirely meaningless evasions, lies, absurdities etc.

Perhaps the thread is useful as an example of how deep people can sink into their irrational behavior.
Or perhaps the thread, as it is, can serve that purpose and doesn't need to be active anymore.

This is not the level of a 'decent' conversation that I would prefer.

Let's talk about the essence or not at all

 

[Dutch]

More glaring than even that, as all of Dutch’s ‘calculations’ are entirely about time, whether it be degrees to days, a date, the sidereal period or whatever it is entirely and exclusively one dimensional. He has yet to demonstrate even a single calculation that involves anything more than just one dimension.


A very nice post though DarbyII.

Yes, nice post DarbyII, unfortunately Darby is wrong. And you to man, or show it.

 

[Dutch]

Dutch clearly needs some additional help with his calculations. Fortunately, there is this site with all the insight needed to "decipher the code." It comes highly recommended.

Darby you mean

 

[Blue Mountain]

You know where to find the timelines, the links for 2012 have been given.

Yes ... buried somewhere in this massive (nearly 5,000) post thread.

I know nothing about astrology or tarot.
HDDesign comes as it comes

And therein lies your problem. In addition to knowing nothing of astrology or tarot, you know nothing about how these phenomena work. You don't know about post hoc egro propter hoc, affirming the consequent, remembering the hits and forgetting the misses ... heck, pretty much any of the The Skeptic' Guide to the Universe Top Twenty Logical Fallacies.

Yes? any new outlook on consciousness itself, the reality we live in and what happens when you're not ''alive" anymore?

I don't feel I need a new outlook on consciousness: I'm conscious when I'm awake and unconscious when I'm asleep. The reality we live in is governed by randomness and irrrationality, of which HDD is a good example. And when I'm not alive any more, the first, most important, and indeed last thing I will lose is the knowledge that I was ever alive. I was dead for 13.7 billion years before I was born and will be dead for billions and perhaps trillions of years after I'm dead (depending on which version of the ultimate fate of the Universe ends up being correct.)

 

[Dutch]

DarbyII:

What I did with Dutch's thread on Anomalies was not done quickly or without a lot of thought. As a Mod and Admin I warned him years ago that his trollish answers to valid questions both on my forum and others that I wa aware of was unacceptable and that eventually it would involve some sort of consequence on Anomalies. At the time(s) that I made the remarks to him I really didn't have a strong hand to play. Any possible action that I might have taken then would have had little or no motivational consequence insofar as to motivate him to play the game fairly with forum members and at least attempt to answer their questions sans smart-assed one liner non-answer retorts instead of honest answers...even if no one agreed with his answers.

Instead, I waited...and watched.

and did nothing. You've tried once to debunk HDdesign a few years ago but you didn't succeed. You backed off so. You have to come with valid reasons now why the deleting of the thread is legitimate.

You just can't stand the idea of this whole HDDesign concept, for asfar as you understand it, but I think you don't really want to try to understand.

You just want to have it gone. Why ?

 

[Dutch]

DarbyII:

JREF is a different sort of animal from the vast majority of BBS forums. The very nature of the forum requires rational discussion, logical thought and logical argument. No one requires that the "bottom line" be acceptable. If someone can logically argue the case for Zombie Apololypse so be it. It is the methodology that is important on JREF. Seeking out logical falacy is what the forum is about.

But when it becomes to difficult to accept, you just want to get rid of it?

Do you only want to think about what is acceptable within your own limited perspective of reality? Don't you even want to think about it, while an overwhelming amount of 'coincidences' indicate that you have to reconsider? With your rational mind indeed?

 

[Dutch]

Darby:

Dutch continued here, for several years, what he has done on many forums elsewhere: post a series of rambling pseudo-scientific missives that include undefined jargon. When asked to fill in the details he steadfastly refuses to cooperate with the members' honestly posed questions.

I have always cooperated on serious requests and I will always do.

It's not too much to ask to expect responders to do some serious efforts in order to try to understand what this is about.
It appears to me that you haven't done so, otherwise you would come up with valid contributions instead of fake errors.

 

[Paul]

Although the 911 days timeframe is within the +/- 1 day timeframe around these dates, you have to use 913 days instead of 911 days if you are monitoring an ongoing patterns. There's where the discrepancy occurs over time, a discrepancy I have noticed by observation repeatedly.

Why don't you understand your own nonsense?

If the error is two days per date, that is cumulative from the start. To know the correct dates you would have to know the start of the timeline and adjust every date for the cumulative effect. Have you done that?

 

[Dutch]

DarbyII:

"I shall sell no wine before its time" is a famous line from Orson Wells, in his latter years, when he got into the TV ad business. So goes my waiting for the right time. To pull Dutch's thread off the public forum (without in any way altering it - and I will not) into the thread archive now instead of years ago is a substantive consequence for misbehavior.

Accusing someone of misbehavior is a big thing and needs a valid explanation with supportive evidence. You have done nothing for years and I have never mistreated you or anybody else on your forum that would legitimate your prejudiced action

 

[Paul]

There's no manipulation of dates whatsoever

Apart from the post-diction, cherry picking, deliberate misrepresentation, random data mangling, desperate reaching, blatant lying and plain dumb incompetence, apart from that it's all fine... ish.

 

[Paul]

As you should know by now, the corralations used in HDDesign are in fact based on our perception of TIME, not how it actually 'looks' like in 3D.

Does that actually mean anything?

The geometrical correlations are translated into our perception of time

Because that certainly doesn't.

 

[Paul]

I know what a Tetrahedron is

Really? Because all your posts here suggest you have absolutely no idea.

you just can't wrap your mind around what I mean with a Hyper Dimensional Tetrahedron as expressed in our perception of time, which is based on the same geometry.

That would be because it is total nonsense which even you cannot explain.

If you think you can, feel free.

I think you have reason enough to be less denigrating

Basic politeness prevents me from being justifiably more denigrating on many occasions.

 

[Paul]

You do understand the difference between assumed physical appearances on rotating elements based on Hyper Dimensional Physics and the application of this same geometry on our perception of time as used in HDDesign?

The difference appears to be solely in the number of words you used to type each piece of nonsense.

 

[Paul]

I have always cooperated on serious requests and I will always do.

That's a really stupid lie, and everyone but you knows it.

It's not too much to ask to expect responders to do some serious efforts in order to try to understand what this is about.

You've never even offered us a basic set of rules by which we could consider HDD as anything but your personal delusion.

It appears to me that you haven't done so, otherwise you would come up with valid contributions instead of fake errors.

If you ever offer a sensible contribution you will certainly get at least one sensible answer.

 

[Dutch]

DarbyII

All that I have asked of him is that he openly and honestly engage the members here in debate, answer their questions and othrwise be a cooperative citizen. I've told him that how he handles the debate is for him to decide and that convincing me or anyone else of the validity of his claims is not a part of the deal. Be a good citizen and the thread reappears. Continue with trollish behavior and there are consequences.

you can ask that in general here and act accordingly yourselves.
You done very little efforts so far to start an honest debate directly with me. I'm your man.