Hyper Dimensional Design

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Sideroxylon said:
Sounds like a science fiction plot. How would they be able to see beyond the application layer as far the hardware layer?
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I agree we have a very good sci-fi plot here ... and I'm actually working on a story based on it. However the essential scientific and theoretical facts are not sci-fi.

To bridge the "application/hardware layer boundary", so to speak, we'd need to look at the concept of downloading/uploading consciousness. Of course that gets into a whole other can of worms. The really weird part is that on some level it all seems plausible. We can currently transfer a game character from one unit to the other, resurrect them and all kinds of woo stuff.

However actually going beyond the metaphorical hardware layer, first we need to establish it's even there. If it is, then there must be an "interface". We may not be able to bridge it ourselves right away, but if we could interact directly with it, we might be able to do incredible things. For example, from a practical perspective, distanace would be irrelevant. The speed of light would just be a reflection of the clock speed and to move from A to B anyplace would just be a cut and paste like operation ... not unlike a "stargate" where all that are needed are the coordinates. Like circumpolar navigation made curved lines on a flat map the shortest route, such a discovery would revolutionize interstellar ... even intergalactic travel ... and explain a bunch of woo too.

Hey ... it's all fun to contemplate ... just don't quote me as making any statement that I'm actually doing any "science" here or "believe" what I'm saying is actually the way it is ... just that if there is any plausibility, this approach at least has some remote thread of it in there.

j.r.
 
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I'm glad you throw consciousness into the mix here Ufo,because that's the essential part. No reality without consciousness. I agree to talk about patterns rather than Intelligent Design, because its us that are creating this reality, no Intelligent Design by a god from above of which we aren't part of. I assume that at consciousness level we do in fact exist at multiple levels, only to find ourselves consciously aware in this limited 3D reality when we are awake. I have had personal experiences in which distances were indeed irrelevant, although it didn't happen in my 'normal' conscious state in this reality. When we talk about a hidden underlying design of patterns, we might compare it with a ( energy ) field of which everything emerges from. Everything is part of it, that what we can percieve and the hidden parts that don't find direct expression in our 3D reality. But the indications that such a hidden underlying design of patterns exists are overwhelming for those who accept the possibility and set aside their ego's in order to trully think about it.
 
Dutch said:
I'm glad you throw consciousness into the mix here Ufo,because that's the essential part. No reality without consciousness. I agree to talk about patterns rather than Intelligent Design, because its us that are creating this reality, no Intelligent Design by a god from above of which we aren't part of. I assume that at consciousness level we do in fact exist at multiple levels, only to find ourselves consciously aware in this limited 3D reality when we are awake. I have had personal experiences in which distances were indeed irrelevant, although it didn't happen in my 'normal' conscious state in this reality. When we talk about a hidden underlying design of patterns, we might compare it with a ( energy ) field of which everything emerges from. Everything is part of it, that what we can percieve and the hidden parts that don't find direct expression in our 3D reality. But the indications that such a hidden underlying design of patterns exists are overwhelming for those who accept the possibility and set aside their ego's in order to trully think about it.
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“No reality without consciousness”? Whos “consciousness”? What “consciousness”? and just whos or what “reality” do you think that is? “because its us that are creating this reality,”? Looks like you forgot about that “set aside their ego's” part in those assertions and again stop trying to just make everyone coconspirators to your delusion.
 
The Man said:
“No reality without consciousness”? Whos “consciousness”? What “consciousness”? and just whos or what “reality” do you think that is? “because its us that are creating this reality,”? Looks like you forgot about that “set aside their ego's” part in those assertions and again stop trying to just make everyone coconspirators to your delusion.
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Do you really think that whatever reality could exist without consciousness to be aware of it?
 
He seems to be regressing, the current insistence that if he isn't aware of something it doesn't exist indicates he has just lost object permanence.
 
Dutch said:
Do you really think that whatever reality could exist without consciousness to be aware of it?
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You should probably look up the definition of reality.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/reality


Look at 4 (a)….

reality (rɪˈælɪtɪ)


— n , pl -ties
1. the state of things as they are or appear to be, rather than as one might wish them to be
2. something that is real
3. the state of being real
4. philosophy
a. that which exists, independent of human awareness
b. See also conceptualism Compare appearance the totality of facts as they are independent of human awareness of them
5. in reality actually; in fact
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What you or I “really think” is irrelevant as the independence of reality from human awareness is explicit in the meaning of, well, reality.
 
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Paul said:
He seems to be regressing, the current insistence that if he isn't aware of something it doesn't exist indicates he has just lost object permanence.
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Apprently but evidently, in that Faustian like bargain, he’s gained "The Force"....



Obi-wan Kenobi

“The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.”
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Dutch said:
When we talk about a hidden underlying design of patterns, we might compare it with a ( energy ) field of which everything emerges from. Everything is part of it, that what we can percieve and the hidden parts that don't find direct expression in our 3D reality. But the indications that such a hidden underlying design of patterns exists are overwhelming for those who accept the possibility and set aside their ego's in order to trully think about it.
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Guess he still needs to work on the Jedi mind trick though.
 
Daylightstar said:
You did, again, displaying dishonesty.
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? Who placed Phobos in a decaying orbit towards 1/Pi in earth time, only seconds away when I speak?

Is this the way you explain in your own words why I am dishonest?

Try again
 
Paul said:
He seems to be regressing, the current insistence that if he isn't aware of something it doesn't exist indicates he has just lost object permanence.
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I think we all agree of what obviously exists, because we can actually notice it with our limited minds. The essence is to understand what exists beyond your immediate perception, the indications are there if your smart enough to recognize
 
Dutch said:
? Who placed Phobos in a decaying orbit towards 1/Pi in earth time, only seconds away when I speak?

Is this the way you explain in your own words why I am dishonest?

Try again
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You are misrepresenting my post.
Nothing new, the dishonesty continues.
 
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