Hyper Dimensional Design

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Are you saying that in order to be real or valid a person has to have a high falootin' degree and have papers published?
Your tone would indicate that you have some problem with education.


How about 'the proof is in the pudding'? If he's got the goods, that's all he needs.
You obviously haven't read much of this thread, so why are you bothering to make such a pointless post?


There have been many scientist/inventors without college degrees
I'm sure there have. However, there are also a lot of people who think they know something but do not have the education to realise their mistakes.

Some of these people are happy that others take the time to provide them with the means of furthering their knowledge, while some refuse any attempt at education or advice from those with genuine expertise.


especially before the concept of degrees even existed.
I can see why obtaining the non-existent might have been a problem.

By the way, I can't see why that link does anything but show the benefits of education and the sound use of scientific methods.
 
Are you saying that in order to be real or valid a person has to have a high falootin' degree and have papers published? How about 'the proof is in the pudding'? If he's got the goods, that's all he needs.

There have been many scientist/inventors without college degrees, especially before the concept of degrees even existed.

http://www.sciencekids.co.nz/sciencefacts/scientists.html

Have you actually read this thread? Dutch has no goods,he doesn't even have a shop to sell them in. He claims that his HDD system can predict the future,but all we have had so far are old news bulletins. He picks random events from the past and links them together and throws in some mystical twaddle. You certainly do not need a high falootin' degree to do that. As for having a paper published by a reputable journal,no chance.
 
Good god. Three pages of notes since I was gone, had to briefly catch up. Not that Dutch came up with anything new.

It has been posted here, so..

That was you responding to all of us requesting that you provide us with the math you used. It is also yet another boldfaced lie. You ARE a liar, Dutch. Throwing numbers out by themselves is NOT math. You've claimed numerous time that you use "calculation" in your predictions. And each time, without fail, when asked to provide those calculations, your either refuse or lie about having posted them beforehand. Why should we even bother humoring you, Dutch, when you don't even have respect enough for everyone else here to not lie to our faces, when you KNOW we know better than that?
 
... so why are you bothering to make such a pointless post?
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Maybe because he thinks that 'design' is a given, and that he doesn't like 'debunking style' skeptics which he may think Dutch is facing.
Maybe he feels he is 'objectively' opposing a skeptical 'debunking' stance towards hyper dimensional design.
 
You ARE a liar, Dutch. Throwing numbers out by themselves is NOT math. You've claimed numerous time that you use "calculation" in your predictions. And each time, without fail, when asked to provide those calculations, your either refuse or lie about having posted them beforehand.

Just an historic note: He has been doing this for six years
 
not at all. ask specifically and I will calculate it .

come on, ask it.

Another one:

Please 'recalculate' the HD Cube spot near mount St. Helens for us.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6648023&postcount=3815
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So if we recalculate the HD Cube spot near mount St. Helens, we have to reverse the continental drift so to speek
...

Previous asking for calculations can be found here:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6672143&postcount=3950
 
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Are you saying that in order to be real or valid a person has to have a high falootin' degree and have papers published? How about 'the proof is in the pudding'? If he's got the goods, that's all he needs.

As entertaining as I find just sitting back and reading threads in this forum without getting invovled :) ... I simply can't let this post go.

Speaking as a Ph.D. scientist (org. chemist), 10+ years post grad, multiple papers, worked in academia, yada yada:

A person does not need to have a degree or have papers published in order to be real or valid. However, it is through the process of earning that degree, and doing that research to be able to publish those papers, that scientists are trained to recognize that what they have - the phenomenon - is real, and valid. My entire career, I've been trained to formulate theories based on observations and based on my extensive knowledge of chemistry; I know what is likely, and what is not, and how to test for certain mechanisms, and the value / meaning of various observations. I know how much "weight" should be given to certain data that I collect.

I won't dispute that there are occasionally people who are just...brilliant. Gifted. Not even human, in a way, in terms of their intellectual capacity. Doing calculus as a child, whatever. But they are extraordinarily rare. Crackpots are a dime a dozen.

Do you have any idea how many times I, myself (as a graduate student), or as an academic advisor (working with a graduate student), got really excited about a phenomenon we saw in the lab, and thought we were on to something, only to realize it was not revolutionary at all? How did we make that decision? We applied our scholarly training, our "high-fallutin' degrees". Everyone has career skills, no matter what your career is - mechanics know how to fix an engine, cops are good at reading people, etc. Scientists are good at distinguishing the "pudding" from the less-savory pile of goop because they have the training and the experience.

It's really, really, really, *really* easy to fool yourself into thinking you're onto something. It even happens to people like me. Professional lifelong scientists publish retractions of papers they've published, happens all the time. Slipped past them. Slipped past the three peer reviewers and the editor of the journal. Mistaken interpretation of data; we drew the wrong conclusion, etc. But this sort of thing happens *much* more often to random people without the years of training and skill collection that comes with testing and verifying scientific theories.

I would never dismiss someone who did not have formal training in science to explore science, or be curious about the world and its many exciting phenomena, never in a million years. But if a strange and unusual theory comes up, and it's up to some random guy or a trained scientist with published papers and a "high fallutin' degree" to investigate things, and get to the bottom of it?

I know where my money is...
 
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As entertaining as I find just sitting back and reading threads in this forum without getting invovled :) ... I simply can't let this post go.

I would never dismiss someone who did not have formal training in science to explore science, or be curious about the world and its many exciting phenomena, never in a million years. But if a strange and unusual theory comes up, and it's up to some random guy or a trained scientist with published papers and a "high fallutin' degree" to investigate things, and get to the bottom of it?

I know where my money is...

Agreed, I've noted the same thing in other fields outside of science too. The brilliant amateur does exist but is rare. Cranks are common......you listening Dutch?
 
Agreed, I've noted the same thing in other fields outside of science too. The brilliant amateur does exist but is rare. Cranks are common......you listening Dutch?

Yes,

You don't have to be a scientist to ignore the 'coincidences' that show up instantly, repeatedly and for an extended period of time ( years ).
 
just dropping in, haven't read all the latest post

3 days holiday ahead but no time for you folks

I will respond properly later on

Have a nice time
 
just dropping in, haven't read all the latest post

3 days holiday ahead but no time for you folks

I will respond properly later on

Have a nice time

Season's greetings, Dutch. And the rest of you lot waiting for the responses, too. :)
 
not at all. ask specifically and I will calculate it .

come on, ask it.

Fine. The very next time you decide to put together a prediction, walk us through it all, from start to finish, and include every nuance of math that involves. Everything. Diagrams, charts, with very long descriptions of what you are doing in that stage, why it needs to be done, and what you plan to do next.

Take us though, step by step. If you are unable or unwilling to do this, then merely post the work from a previous prediction in the same way. Including all math, charts, ect.
 
Yes,

You don't have to be a scientist to ignore the 'coincidences' that show up instantly, repeatedly and for an extended period of time ( years ).

But you call certain events coincidences based on an a woo system. Why do you ignore some events and take notice of others? Predict accurately a major event and I will sit up and take notice.
 
Fine. The very next time you decide to put together a prediction, walk us through it all, from start to finish, and include every nuance of math that involves. Everything. Diagrams, charts, with very long descriptions of what you are doing in that stage, why it needs to be done, and what you plan to do next.

Take us though, step by step. If you are unable or unwilling to do this, then merely post the work from a previous prediction in the same way. Including all math, charts, ect.

Well there is this post that you could address.

There are also the seemingly clear examples (on the previous page?) of you contradicting yourself on your ability or not to make predictions.
 
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