Hyper Dimensional Design

[The Man]

Yes you understand baby language in the inter-dimensional communication, but don't worry, you will grow up

Will you?

 

[dafydd]

The 'Enki communication' in ongoing, keep an eye on the timelines
It wouldn't amaze me if a >7 EQ would happen around the last orbital position of Mercury marking 'contact': May 27, 2010
followed by a big EQ in the San Andreas area around Earth's orbital position of the Grand Cross: around June 26, 2010, with a possibility on June 23 too ( Venus at same orbital position as during Robert Ecke committed suicide )
I expect 'Contact' is around August 23, 2010, not by means of EQ, but more like somekind of 'Tunguska' 'conditioning'
Mount St. Helens/Yellowstone is expected for around HD Cube timeframe in November this year. That means EQ or volcanic activity, high impact or subtle.

You won't take the bet.Are you withdrawing these predictions?

 

[dafydd]

I bet you won't get

Grow up.

 

[Wolrab]

Yes you understand baby language in the inter-dimensional communication, but don't worry, you will grow up

I will put my unidimensional physics against your hyper any day of the week. My timelines are clear and concise unlike your convoluted fantasies.

I don't need to claim an extremely varible window of opportunity. My predictive powers are at least equal to yours. If you don't understand that, you understand nothing.

 

[Paul]

put this in the center of your thinking for once

Another example of your total inability to address any issues.

You might claim to be a grown man with a family, but you behave as if you were a five year old in the playground.

 

[Mister Earl]

Hi. Dutch was a visitor to the Bad Astronomy and Universe Today forums. He's had a thread there, as well, regarding his HD hypothesis. It went for a very long time until the mods locked it. There, they require that non-mainstream-theory promoters are required to answer questions presented to them, as well as to provide proof of their claims. Dutch couldn't, so it was locked. I see he is now here. I remember his claims and his processes very well. It's been what, Dutch? Four, five years? Are you still promoting this garbage? Questions to those bothering to debate Dutch:

1.) Is Dutch still vomiting up word salad and presenting it as some kind of obscure proof of something?
2.) Has Dutch still refused to explain and document his process from beginning to end, including any math involved, so it can be independently verified by others?
3.) Has Dutch still reinvented definitions for various terms in an attempt to wriggle out of a corner?
4.) Is Dutch still picking and choosing which questions to answer?
5.) Is Dutch still using very generalized terms so any prediction is virtually guaranteed a hit?
6.) Is Dutch still ignoring any misses he may have made?

I'm guessing the answer to each of these is "Yes".

 

[Mister Earl]

Here, I'll do one better. Here's a list of questions, Dutch, that I asked you on May 7th, 2007. I'm pretty sure you still haven't answered any of them.

1.) What does and does not constitute a significant event per HD design?
2.) What criteria are used to judge whether a specific event qualifies?
3.) What determines whether or not a particular subject can be the focus of a significant event per HD design?
4.) What medium is utilized by HD to force specific events to occur on the Earth as defined by planetary location?
5.) Is HDD Earth-Specific? (I.E. Does the golden mean Phi spiral have an effect on Jupiter, for example?)
6.) If the answer to 5 is "No", then: What determines whether or not HDD will effect a planetary body or not? Size, shape, composition?
7.) Does HDD "influence" or "force" specific events to happen? What kind of events are possible? What determines what event will happen to what subject? Can you explain this in detail?
8.) You use terms such as "Sun King", "Golden mean Phi spiral", and others to explain the different types of patterns you see. How many patterns are there, and what criteria do you use to determine whether or not a pattern is legitamate per HDD?
9.) When a newsworthy event happens, what criteria do you use to determine whether or not it is HDD influenced?
10.) What force or forces give rise to HDD?

 

[Blue Mountain]

(Interesting stuff snipped)

Questions to those bothering to debate Dutch:

1.) Is Dutch still vomiting up word salad and presenting it as some kind of obscure proof of something?
2.) Has Dutch still refused to explain and document his process from beginning to end, including any math involved, so it can be independently verified by others?
3.) Has Dutch still reinvented definitions for various terms in an attempt to wriggle out of a corner?
4.) Is Dutch still picking and choosing which questions to answer?
5.) Is Dutch still using very generalized terms so any prediction is virtually guaranteed a hit?
6.) Is Dutch still ignoring any misses he may have made?

I'm guessing the answer to each of these is "Yes".

What, you didn't read all previous 2,665 posts before jumping in?

The answer to your questions is yes, indeed: 67 times over (one for each page of this thread.)

Some of us are "debating" him more for the benefit of lurkers and for entertainment than in any hope of trying to educate him.

By the way, was Dutch's thread on BAUT directly responsible for the policy change where threads in Against the Mainstream (IIRC) would be closed in 30 days if no good evidence was forthcoming?

 

[dafydd]

Hi. Dutch was a visitor to the Bad Astronomy and Universe Today forums. He's had a thread there, as well, regarding his HD hypothesis. It went for a very long time until the mods locked it. There, they require that non-mainstream-theory promoters are required to answer questions presented to them, as well as to provide proof of their claims. Dutch couldn't, so it was locked. I see he is now here. I remember his claims and his processes very well. It's been what, Dutch? Four, five years? Are you still promoting this garbage? Questions to those bothering to debate Dutch:

1.) Is Dutch still vomiting up word salad and presenting it as some kind of obscure proof of something?
2.) Has Dutch still refused to explain and document his process from beginning to end, including any math involved, so it can be independently verified by others?
3.) Has Dutch still reinvented definitions for various terms in an attempt to wriggle out of a corner?
4.) Is Dutch still picking and choosing which questions to answer?
5.) Is Dutch still using very generalized terms so any prediction is virtually guaranteed a hit?
6.) Is Dutch still ignoring any misses he may have made?

I'm guessing the answer to each of these is "Yes".

And why won't you put your money where your mouth is Dutch? If HDD works then the cash will be yours.

 

[Mister Earl]

By the way, was Dutch's thread on BAUT directly responsible for the policy change where threads in Against the Mainstream (IIRC) would be closed in 30 days if no good evidence was forthcoming?

I'd have to say no to that. Though his thread was one of the longest against-the-mainstream thread, it wasn't the only one. There's been quite a few people pushing an idea that also refused to answer questions, provide information, cite sources, ect.

 

[dafydd]

I'd have to say no to that. Though his thread was one of the longest against-the-mainstream thread, it wasn't the only one. There's been quite a few people pushing an idea that also refused to answer questions, provide information, cite sources, ect.

Providing that information is tricky when you make it all up as you go along.

 

[Dutch]

mister earl at baut:

I was PM'd by Oost asking that I hop on over to Dutch's forum.
I for one will not. Simply put, his HDD hypothesis has been shot down so many times it's insane, and I won't post on a forum where Dutch has complete administrative control. It's entirely possible he routinely retroactively alters old posts of his and changes what other people say or deletes text, either his own or others. This forum of his is set up with the express intent on proving himself right. Since this cannot be done via proving HDD works, since it does not, that tells me that he intends to carry this out via other means.
To summarize, I smell a rat.

This is insane yes

 

[Dutch]

30 days to prove inter-dimensional reality, are you kidding?

 

[Paulhoff]

30 days to prove inter-dimensional reality, are you kidding?

No, we aren't, you have had more time than is needed.

Paul

 

[Paul]

30 days to prove inter-dimensional reality, are you kidding?

In 30 days you couldn't even explain what you really mean by hyper dimensional design.

 

[Mister Earl]

30 days to prove inter-dimensional reality, are you kidding?

You've had about five years or so to prove it, on multiple forums, and you still haven't. I would even venture to say that you haven't even made the attempt to prove it. You've constructed a system that only you know all the rules of, that have multiple chances of landing a correct guess, using qualification terms so broad you could drive a dump truck through it. Even beyond all of this, your system doesn't DO anything. Can you make accurate predictions? No. "On this date, something will happen. If it doesn't, it gets another chance on this day. If nothing happens, it gets another chance on this day. If nothing happens..."

Honestly, I can't understand your devotion of a system that takes so much of your time, yet produces nothing of value at all.

 

[Paulhoff]

The man has no idea of what a proof is. He has no idea that what he thinks he has, has no use.

Paul

 

[dafydd]

The man has no idea of what a proof is. He has no idea that what he thinks he has, has no use.

Paul

He gives us old news bulletins now and again.

 

[Dutch]

Hans van Mierlo, Dutch foreign minister at time of fall of Srebrenica, dies at age 78
Van Mierlo, who died late Thursday, was foreign minister in 1995 when outnumbered and outgunned Dutch peacekeepers looked on helplessly as Bosnian Serb forces overran the Srebrenica enclave in Bosnia and went on to massacre some 8,000 Muslim men.
May I remind you that Earth is at same orbital position as during Milosevic was taken out
That would be 'Milosevic' at midpoint on a similar timeframe as the timeframe between the 2 Venus Transits, with the exit of van Mierlo during the current timeframe we see the NIOD report handed over to PM Kok in mid March 2002 ( confidential):

half maart 2002 conclusies NIOD-rapport vertrouwelijk bekend bij Kok

see timeline here:
http://m.europa-nu.nl/9353000/1/j9vviaekvp0oeyh/vh8lnhrp8wsg

In April 2002, the Dutch government resigned after the publication of research into the events around the fall of the Bosnian enclave of Srebrenica, which was under the protection of Dutch peacekeepers, in 1995. Trade unions representing military personnel have called for the resignation of the army leadership at the time and for a parliamentary inquiry, which has now been launched.
In mid-April 2002, the government led by Prime Minister Wim Kok resigned following publication of the findings of research by the Dutch Institute for War Documentation (Nederland Instituut voor Oorlogsdocumentatie, NIOD) into the events surrounding the fall in 1995 of the Bosnian Muslim enclave of Srebrenica, which was being protected by Dutch peacekeeping troops, and the subsequent massacre of inhabitants. The government was a coalition of the social democratic Labour Party (Partij van de Arbeid, PvdA), the liberal Party for Freedom and Democracy (Vereniging voor Vrijheid en Democratie, VVD) and the social liberal Democraten 66 (D66).
Mr Kok had been Prime Minister at the time of the events in Srebrenica and, accepting responsibility for the consequences, resigned along with the rest of the cabinet, several of whom had also been in government at the time. A general election was already due to be held in May 2002, and until then the current government will remain in place in a caretaker capacity.
Although the cabinet's resignation stems from a will to accept political accountability, the report into the Srebrenica affair found that, while the ministers and secretaries of state were indeed responsible at a political level, the leadership of the army withheld relevant information from them with respect to Srebrenica. Consequently, the General Federation of Military Staff (Algemene Federatie van Militair Personeel, AFMP), the trade union for military personnel affiliated to the Dutch Trade Union Federation (Federatie Nederlandse Vakbeweging, FNV), is demanding that the army leadership responsible at the time should resign. The AFMP chair, Ton Heerts, is calling for the public prosecutor to investigate if the former commanding officer, Hans Couzy and the rest of the army leadership can be held liable under criminal law for the events that unfolded in Srebrenica in 1995.
According to the NIOD report, the truth about the Srebrenica situation was knowingly withheld by army officers. A deliberate attempt was made to restrict the amount of information disclosed and, where possible, to sweep aside disagreeable subjects. Commanding officer Couzy, the report states, destroyed his personal archives, despite knowing how important the information was at the time and would be later. According to the AFMP union, the deliberate actions of the former army leadership have tarnished the image of Dutchbat, the Dutch military contingent in Bosnia.
ACOM, the military services union affiliated to the Christian Trade Union Federation (Christelijk Nationaal Vakverbond, CNV), also believes that the conclusions of the NIOD report should have consequences for the military leadership. Their actions, ACOM claims, have left Dutchbat saddled with the blame, even though the lower-level military personnel cannot be accused of any wrongdoing. Dutchbat must be cleared of all blame.
The parliamentary inquiry demanded by the unions and deemed desirable by politicians has now been initiated by the latter, and a number of high-ranking military officers involved at the time have either resigned or been dismissed.
http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/eiro/2002/04/inbrief/nl0204105n.htm

A Mandate Yet to be Faithfully Executed
The Hague Tribunal was established to deliver justice and the historical record related to the crimes, (grave violations of international humanitarian law), committed during the conflict(s) in the lands of the former Yugoslavia. This United Nations Security Council, (UNSC), mandate shaped and adopted during my tenure as BiH’s Ambassador and Permanent Representative to the UN on behalf of the Republic of BiH, was not limited by either time or the nationality of those who might be investigated or prosecuted. Certainly there is no limiting of scope to the actions of the leaders or citizens of the former Yugoslav states alone. Nonetheless, it appears to many that the Tribunal has been steered clear of investigations that might expose culpability that is reflective on the big powers or potentially embarrassing, perhaps inconvenient.
And we should here remind of another mandate adopted by both the UNSC and NATO: to make Srebrenica, Zepa, Gorazde and three other BiH population centers into “safe areas” protected by UN peacekeepers on the ground and ultimately shielded by NATO air power from above, “protected zones”. While such mandate may have been made moot in the eyes of some when Srebrenica and Zepa were overrun, the basic legal responsibility cannot be extinguished until the UN and NATO complete an objective investigation as to whether these “safe areas” were undermined by premeditated and/or reckless action.
Netherlands’ Peacekeepers in Enclave Also Abandoned by Allies?
From almost the date of Srebrenica and Zepa’s fall, I have questioned and asked for answers. Then Dutch Defense Minister Jorvis Voorhoeve has now also put his suspicions clearly on the record, on the side of those demanding answers, (from October 22, 2009 BBC interview of Mr. Voorhoeve linked below):
“I know from intelligence sources that there were already Serb decisions to take the three Eastern enclaves among which was Srebrenica. Those decisions were taken probably in May and June – two months before.”
Joris Voorhoeve further alleges that the international community knew the attack was coming.
“Two security council members had knowledge that the attack was coming. I’m not saying they had knowledge the attack would be followed by mass murder. In any case they did not do anything with this knowledge.”
—–
On the eve before Srebrenica was to fall, I met with then Defense Minister Voorhoeve as well as then Foreign Minister Hans van Mierlo to urge them to confront the oncoming Serbian onslaught, (intelligence of which Voorhoeve had shared with me some weeks before). The Dutch UN peacekeeping troops in Srebrenica had to rely upon NATO air power to fend off any attack by Serbian military vastly superior in ground troops and weapons. (The local defense forces were largely disarmed with their heavy weapons placed under UN control). Of course, both the Srebrenica residents and Dutch peacekeepers were dependent upon a reliable response by UN and NATO commanders to turn the “dual key” launching the nearby NATO planes.
Staying in almost hourly communication, the night before the fall Voorhoeve called to inform me that he had in fact formally demanded NATO air support. He also announced the same decision to his Dutch citizens over live TV broadcast. The NATO air strikes never came, and the most critical question as to why not has never been answered for the benefit of the UN’s and NATO’s credibility as well as justice and the rights of the victims. Voorhoeve also claims that no credible answer has been provided:
“Why were his calls for air strikes the night before ignored? And why was there no action taken more than a month previously, when – according to Mr. Voorhoeve – the Serbs’ intentions to attack were known? (Same BBC interview linked below).
from: The implications of the Butcher’s trial
http://europeancourier.org/op/2009/10/27/the-implications-of-the-butcher’s-trial/
I think I have said it dozens of times, but to remind you:
eventually HDDesign will unveil who's responsible for this drama, besides the Dutch gouvernment. Air support was refused and that decission has been taken on authority.
The truth will come out...it HAS to come out
it IS Venus based!!! 8 years or 13 Venus years in earth days, the timeframe between the 2 Venus Transits of our times
To make it clear:
NIOD report about Srebrenica given to Prime Minister Wim Kok, mid March 2002
8 years later or 13 Venus years in Earth days or the timeframe between the 2 Venus transits of our times:
Hans van Mierlo dies, Minister of Foreighn Affairs at the time of the Srebrenica massacre. ( March 11, 2010 )
At midpoint or similar as on Venus Transit Midpoint:
Milosevic died in his prison in The Hague, The Netherlands ( March 11, 2006 )
This Srebrenica karma is 'expressing' again
Again we have a fallen gouvernment in The Netherlands. Pim Fortuyn was killed on May 6, 2002. Elections are coming up...
Geert Wilders could be considwered the new Pim Fortuyn.
We have to acknowledge our responsibily for the Srebrenica massacre or we will have to learn it the hard way.
Also: Who's responsible for the decission to refuse air support asked by the Dutch soldiers on the ground?
Hans van Mierlo in this interview:
http://www.binnenlandsbestuur.nl/Ho...-n-collectieve-schuld-geweest-aan.99481.lynkx

Tot op de dag van vandaag is nog steeds niet de diepste reden opgehelderd waarom die luchtsteun niet kwam - met sterke vermoedens dat er wellicht toch afspraken waren waarvan alleen Mladic en Janvier en misschien president Chirac afwisten.

This is about the air support that was refused so Dutch-bat was unable to defend Srebrenica. Hans van Mierlo expresses his ideas here that he thought there were indeed secret agreements between Mladic and Janvier and perhaps Jacques Chirac, French President during the Srebrenica Massacre.

'Ik heb die dag met iedereen gebeld: met Kofi Annan, met Akashi, de speciale VN-vertegenwoordiger in voormalig Joegoslavië, met mijn Europese collega's. Op een gegeven moment kwam er het wilde voorstel van Chirac om Srebrenica terug te veroveren. Dat heb ik namens het kabinet afgeschoten. Ik dacht: ben je nou helemaal gek. Niemand was daar trouwens voor, alleen Chirac. Het was zó onrealistisch dat ik me later afvroeg: is het ter compensatie van iets anders, heeft Chirac een soort schuldgevoel? Maar het is moeilijk om daarover te praten, want voor je het weet verval je in een beschuldiging die je niet kunt waarmaken.

Here he says that Chirac proposed to kick the serbs out of Srebrenica again. Everybody thought Chirac was nuts and Hans thought Chirac proposed this because of he felt guilty to what has happened in Srebrenica
This is a very interesting development.

To make it clear:
NIOD report about Srebrenica given to Prime Minister Wim Kok, mid March 2002
8 years later or 13 Venus years in Earth days or the timeframe between the 2 Venus transits of our times:
Hans van Mierlo dies, Minister of Foreighn Affairs at the time of the Srebrenica massacre. ( March 11, 2010 )
At midpoint or similar as on Venus Transit Midpoint:
Milosevic died in his prison in The Hague, The Netherlands ( March 11, 2006 )
This Srebrenica karma is 'expressing' again
Again we have a fallen gouvernment in The Netherlands. Pim Fortuyn was killed on May 6, 2002. Elections are coming up...
Geert Wilders could be considwered the new Pim Fortuyn.
We have to acknowledge our responsibily for the Srebrenica massacre or we will have to learn it the hard way.
Also: Who's responsible for the decission to refuse air support asked by the Dutch soldiers on the ground?

Jacques Chirac....Who's responsible?
I have said numerous times that these patterns will eventually unveil who's responsible for the Srebrenica Massacre.........
I thought that the 'echo' timeframe back in 2002 could give a hint....
The Srebrenica massacre started on July 11, 1995 with the fall of Srebrenica and lasted for several days of mass executions of Muslim man and boys.
During the Srebrenica Karma 'echo' of 2002, with Earth at the same orbital position as during the Srebrenica massacre, this has happened that indicates the answer to who else is responsible for the Srebrenica Massacre:
On 14 July 2002, during Bastille Day celebrations, Chirac survived an assassination attempt by a lone gunman with a rifle hidden in a guitar case. The would-be assassin fired a shot toward the presidential motorcade, before being overpowered by bystanders. The gunman, Maxime Brunerie, underwent psychiatric testing; the violent far-right group with which he was associated, Unité Radicale, was then administratively dissolved.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Chirac
HDDesign is stronger than any lie
Hans van Mierlo was right but he couldn't prove it.....HDDesign confirms though.
Synchronicity:
So we talk about the Srebrenica Karma 'echo' in 2002......
With Earth at the same orbital poition in 2002 of the start of this Srebrenica drama:
On July 10, 2002:
At a Sotheby's auction, Peter Paul Rubens' painting "The Massacre of the Innocents" (first version) is sold for £49.5million (US$76.2 million) to Kenneth Thomson, 2nd Baron Thomson of Fleet.
Massacre of the Innocents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Massacre_of_the_Innocents
Srebrenica Karma:
May 5, 2002 – In the second round of the French presidential election, Jacques Chirac is reelected.
May 6, 2002 – In the Netherlands, politician Pim Fortuyn is assassinated.
Mladic is still out there because there are responsible people who don't want him to testify.....

 

[Paulhoff]

We have TV and such Dutch. Please stop it.

Paul