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wendy moir said:
As I speak and use the English language, of course I do.

Hebrew the more ancient version of literature discussing God or Yehovah as a Creator when reviewed as a literal translation allows the hidden Philosophical meanings to be understood.

Philosophers, many of whom followed sophism used word values to hide intelligent meanings within. Today we call this egotism.
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Egotism, indeed.

Claiming to know all about crap that isn't even true is a great example of that particular branch of "philosophy".
 
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sts60 said:
No one is questioning your right to state your opinions. Your problem is that your opinions are often stated as if they were self-evident facts, when often they are either unsupported or just plain wrong.


No, you don't understand science at all. Scientific theories are merely description of how the universe works, which are consistent with actual observations about how things work. Your claims about physical phenomena, when they are coherent enough to evaluate, don't match observed reality; they often don't even match each other.

A theory meaning
a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.

"Darwin's theory of evolution"

synonyms:

hypothesis, thesis, conjecture, supposition, speculation, postulation, postulate, proposition, premise, surmise, assumption, presumption, presupposition, notion, guess, hunch, feeling, suspicion;

Therefore a theory does not actually explain reality, it is trying to explain reality through many research advice programs, some of which are illegal in regards to human natural cellular formation and how it is being denatured.

Scientists are human beings. Human beings first used original thoughts as Philosophy and then studied alchemy. Theories were proposed and then studied to form a solution. Human thought therefore proposed a solution that when experimented with demonstrated an outcome. Scientific theory is therefore not wisdom as original thought first demonstrates to have achieved.

Human beings still have original thought, and still apply original thought. Original thought involves observation, and human kind are observing science.

The threads involving skepticism relate to many topics in Philosophy that related to spirit, and are trying to use science to discount/discredit spirit. Yet Philosophy is the basic original thought proposing a review as a science of creation.

In other words, much of what you say isn't even self-consistent, let alone correct. You keep using scientific terms you find on the Internet, but not in any consistent fashion, because you don't understand them. For example, you have used "radiation" in the context of heat transfer, ionizing radiation, sound, radio waves, and goodness knows what else. That you don't understand the differences is obvious. When people who do understand correct you, you refuse to learn anything; you simply throw up distractive walls of text and irrelevant references you don't understand. That doesn't fool anyone, but more importantly it doesn't help you.

Radiationorise.orau.gov/reacts/guide/define.htm‎


Radiation is energy that comes from a source and travels through some material or through space. Light, heat and sound are types of radiation.

Sound, the ability to record and send as applications involving radio waves. Nothing confusing about it at all.

Irrelevant and distractive; I have done nothing of the sort. I must say, however, it's amusing that your anti-science, anti-government screed on the Internet is made possible by a U.S. defense agency (DARPA) invention (the Internet), a protocol (World Wide Web) invented at a high-energy physics lab, and a host of sciences and technologies ranging from quantum and solid-state physics (the semiconductors in all the computers and routers) to electrical engineering (signal transmission, power) to petroleum geology (petrochemical-based products making up much of your computer) to general relativity (GPS timing for timeservers) and on and on. Frankly, without all that nasty science, you'd be ranting to yourself.


Without nasty science we would all be healthy. Without science we would have no need to communicate using appliances that Science can abuse us with, and we would be living happy lives. You imply invention is the reason for living, yet its review is the reason for greed. Human beings invent to be notarized in public and to also gain a monetary reward. Whilst some invent to make life easier they never reviewed the future. Nuclear energy is one such invention.

Without science I would have nothing to be concerned about, living the life I was naturally given.


No, I don't. I said I am familiar with much of what NASA does and how it works, and nothing you have claimed is even remotely like that. You're simply making up a secret occult program that has nothing to do with what NASA is observed to do, and you have no evidence for this fantasy other than your own claims.

As a human being who has been affected by scientific pursuits involving the American Government trying to data collect information regarding the natural formation of cellular material for a BIO FUEL (as per internet information discusses), then I have every right to confer my life experience and situation involving the science.

Poisoning the well. Wendy, claiming everyone who disagrees with you is some sort of spook is nothing more than a way to avoid considering you might be wrong about something.

What I have previously observed, is the use of words in retorts that the CIA applies when trying to stop any form of discussions that could advise the public forum regarding their illegal activity.

There's clearly no point in interacting with you anymore, as your idee fixe does not admit rational discussion. I wish you well, and hope you get someone compassionate and competent to talk to. Good luck.
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Irrational argument is only determined irrational as a valued description to infer un-intelligence or mental health as a statement. As I have neither situation, although some of you who seem to imply you are Health Practitioners and who have the degrees to determine the same from a simple internet discussion have implied I am suffering from mental health.
http://www.rense.com/general62/list.htm
 
Kid Eager said:
In other words, your claim of a connection between the Hebrew and English words was fraudulent - once you strip away all the blather and obsfucation.
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I do not apply fraud to my statements...are you?

What does a human do when looking at a language to interpret it into another language? Call that fraudulent also do you?
 
The way you do is just uninformed and miseducated, not fraudulent per se.
Persisting in presenting these out-in-left-field "explanations" is another indication of a lack of a firm grasp on the subject, with strong indications of being misled and almost recognizing that, but unable to face up to that fact.
 
wendy moir said:
When you talk about a Biblical or historic Jesus and then rationalize a skeptic review, you first review the latest story line to then review its historical journey. This is the only way that any human being implies a negation involving history that they assume is fake.

The term for Nun has a history. It may be used differently in a modern version, but the ancient version has a preceding reference.

As religion is about personal review and personal applications, using word values demonstrates that Hebrew literature was used by Roman scribes and Roman hierarchy as choices relating to their own revised religious pursuits.
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Where did I say that anything was fake? I said that your analysis was false, by which I did not mean deliberately fraudulent, but rather in error.

Another error is to assume that the Latin alphabet has number values that are somehow equivalent to ancient Hebrew or Aramaic. And even in Hebrew, the entire numerology (gematriya) movement did not start so early. It is true that Hebrew ---


Never mind. It's not worth arguing about. Believe what you will.

Would someone care to explain to Ms. Moir what "sound barrier" means, and that it does not mean that sound is kept in a cage or a box?
 
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wendy moir said:
When you talk about a Biblical or historic Jesus and then rationalize a skeptic review, you first review the latest story line to then review its historical journey. This is the only way that any human being implies a negation involving history that they assume is fake.

The term for Nun has a history. It may be used differently in a modern version, but the ancient version has a preceding reference.

As religion is about personal review and personal applications, using word values demonstrates that Hebrew literature was used by Roman scribes and Roman hierarchy as choices relating to their own revised religious pursuits.
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This is the equivalent of what you are doing:

The word "chat" in french means cat.

The word "chat" in english means talk or discuss.

Therefore, all human talk or discussion is caused by cats.
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It is etymological nonsense.
 
Kid Eager said:
In other words, your claim of a connection between the Hebrew and English words was fraudulent - once you strip away all the blather and obsfucation.
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The "sound barrier" was so termed because of the difficulty of moving faster than the speed of sound with large objects.
Small objects such as bullets had "broken" that "barrier" not long after the invention of bullets.
The "sonic boom" is an audible effect of the inability of sound to move faster than the speed of sound. The air around the supersonic object is compressed by the passage of the object. When the compressed wave passes a detector, all the sound that couldn't "get out of the way" is heard at once.
The sonic boom from the Space Shuttle for instance would shake my house, even though the shuttle was miles away as it passed.
A camera can "see" the shock waves although the eye may not, usually.
As with this photo of Darryl Greenamyer's F-104 at 1.28 times the speed of sound. When see against the background of the mountains, the effect of the thicker air in the shock waves generated by various parts of the plane can be seen, while against the blue sky, no.
With a nice level of humidity, the compressed air in the shocks would be seen as a fog.
For flyers in commercial jets, sitting on the down-sun side of the plane over the wing, the shadow of a shock wave can be observed, and it will move back and forth in response to changes in the air density at the time of the observation, as in this photo of a shock wave on the wing of an L-1011.
 

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wendy moir said:
I do not apply fraud to my statements...are you?

What does a human do when looking at a language to interpret it into another language? Call that fraudulent also do you?
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If they are dishonest in their translation, yes.

For one thing, honest translators don't misrepresent the translation, neither would any honest translator ignore the etymology of the word in the target language.

ETA - I notice I Ratant's great post just above mine, quoting a previous post of mine. Not that I'm ungrateful or anything, but I think the wrong post has been quoted.

Doesn't matter though - still a great explanation, even if it is going to be ignored by the target audience.
 
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I Ratant,

You are psychic!

You read my mind, and began to type your response even before I requested that someone explain this.

Thank you.

xterra
 
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Fellow Traveler said:
I have a big problem with the original sin idea. That Jesus died for sins I had not lived to commit, all without my knowledge. Those poor disciples died horrible deaths such as crucifixion some worse than Jesus' (Peter upside down) and these schmucks could not die to save humanity because Jesus beat them to it.
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If Jesus was a alpha body (man) growing inside the holy body of the Immaculate conceives spirit Mother (atmosphere) as a mathematical principle and was sacrificed because of human deceit (as per philosophical discussion) then it would imply a rhetorical situation.

As an observer of information I reviewed the Bible as a history of creation, not of a historical human being, but a historical alpha condition.

That Hebrew Priests and Roman dictatorship caused this holy alpha body to be destroyed and it followed with a God predicted situation, natural disasters and earthquakes.

The signs of Philosophy stated that the Acts of Christ would cause stigmata, bleeding from the eyes and cells, known as a historical listed Roman acknowledgement as a physical anomaly in humanity regarding Christ itself as a spiritual attack.

As this physical phenomena cannot be argued by skepticism via its physical evidence, then I would ask you to actually consider what the ancients referred to regarding spirit itself.

Carpenter (secret term tectonic) would quantify earthquakes and the predictions of the Christ SIGNS to SEE. This is why the Roman system valued the HOLY SEE. Is this too difficult for you to acknowledge?

33AD calculated by a review of Christ was a reference to a mathematical situation - astronomy. Astronomy using the 0 value and astronomy involved and is still involved in predictions of science as theories.

If the holy spirit alpha body was destroyed by human betrayal (not adhering to the Holy Law of Creation) which would imply natural states, and the first act of betrayal was releasing the wrong Jesus (Barsabas) a murderer from its imprisonment, then Earth (tomb of the dead unholy spirits) released an unholy body from the jail in the act of God.

A holy living spirit dying in the atmosphere returned the spirit to the Heavenly atmosphere after it died and was placed into the tomb (stone of the Earth) which saved them as a natural act.

Reviewing the Philosophy of the history would infer that a body of the Holy state OX (aleph or alpha) was sacrificed in the atmosphere, and only because God is the Creator the Earth was saved. Why else does the more ancient Sanskrit version revere the Holy Cow?

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Math/

As Philosophy involved Sophism, using words cunningly, if you imply a use of Math as a hidden value only applied in Philosophical use, then the following would demonstrate it as a fact.

MATH TEW
Meaning of TEW
A rope or chain for towing a boat; A cord; a string; To tow along, as a vessel; To prepare (leather, hemp, etc.) by beating or working; to taw; To beat; to scourge; To pull about; to maul; To tease; to vex; To work hard; to strive

If you imply that Christ related to calculations as Biblical evaluations as a Philosophy then the above meanings relate to the Christ body as 0AD MATH application. The secret term of abuse applied to the values of + the cross as a condition of MATHS.

Why else would BCAD relate as a secret and hidden mathematical letter value in the ALPHABET or alphabetaalphabet relating to either side position or cross of 0. What is the secret term for CAD?
Cad a lamb. Cad also a reference for CADE a new born child.
http://www.christianperspective.net/math/god-and-math/
 
Manopolus said:
Egotism, indeed.

Claiming to know all about crap that isn't even true is a great example of that particular branch of "philosophy".
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What isn't true about it?

Who told any of you to believe the Bible was speaking about a historical human life and then try to relate a skeptic review of it.

This information was correlated by Philosophers and they used word applications as secret methods, just as they quoted as their personal review status.

Sophist
a paid teacher of philosophy and rhetoric in Greece in the Classical and Hellenistic periods, associated in popular thought with moral scepticism and specious reasoning.

Specious
Having the ring of truth or plausibility but actually fallacious: a specious argument. 2. Deceptively attractive.

Fallacious reasoning, based on a mistake. What does the historical reasoning imply to Christ? They made a mistake by murdering the holy immaculate naturally conceived Heaven spirit body.

Therefore the documents are discussing a mistake that involved fallacious reasoning caused by ignoring factual moral life conditions. Instead the ancients applied immoral beliefs regarding the Creator (acceptance of evil acts -the nuclear)and that the Creator accepted breaking the Holy Law via belief in personal holiness.

Personal holiness implies that you create the social moral condition yet do not uphold it yourself. Hence the ancient Catholic belief of not changing the Law of Stone because of what the Christ Act revealed, and then actually agreeing to changing it (nuclear applications).

Who were demonstrated to be incorrect about Christ in ancient times? Hebrew Priests and the Roman dictatorship. This was because of the natural disasters that followed after they sacrificed Christ, as did plagues (stigmata), recorded by Rome.

Who then reverenced Christ as a holy spiritual Law presence in Heaven (atmosphere) after proven they were wrong (natural disasters)
Hebrew religion altered regarding Jesus and so did Roman belief.

The documented account states that Egyptian Priests were applying evil techniques as magic, but so too did the Hebrew Priest.


8 And the Lord spake unto Moses and unto Aaron saying,
9 When Pharaoh shall speak unto you, saying, Shew a miracle for you: then thou shalt say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and cast it before Pharaoh, and it shall become a serpent.
10 And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: And Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.
11 The Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
12 For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents; but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.

In the Adam/Eve story, what happened when they spoke to the Serpent?

The female as the Mother Abomination situation Revelation of Serpent.
Revelation 12:9
The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

12 x 9 = 108
In 108AD•Prevailing trouble following Roman withdrawal from most of Scotland is recorded by Juvenal circa 105 AD. He mentions warfare in Britain at this general time led by a chieftain called Aviragus. Archaeology confirms that the fort at Newstead and several key installations along the Stanegate frontier are sacked around this time.
http://www.romanscotland.org.uk/pages/narratives/IXth.asp

Job 16:15

"I have sewed sackcloth over my skin And thrust my horn in the dust

As the ALPHA was created from the DUST, don't you think that there is factual evidence historically recorded regarding the ALPHA life in the Acts of Creation?

Ezekiel 27:31

"Also they will make themselves bald for you And gird themselves with sackcloth; And they will weep for you in bitterness of soul With bitter mourning.

http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Sackcloth-And-Ashes

What happens to human life when they are irradiated? Their hair falls out.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/India_Ancient_City_Rajasthan_near_Jodhpurt.html

Why would Jesus Christ be prophecized to return 1000 years after keeping Satan also 1000 years if not relating to keeping the "nuclear or evil burnt spirit" inside of the Earth stone tombs where it was placed? The Holy OX act - oxygen.

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit, and a great chain in his hand, and he laid hold on the old dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him that he would deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years should be fulfilled, after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgement was given to them, and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon his foreheads or in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again, until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that has part in the first resurrection. On such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.' Revelation 20:1-6.


If you were a human theorist inquiring about your own mortality, how you became created, why you were created and what acts involved creation, how else would original thought have correlated this information as factual evidence?

Why is it skeptic that human remains and artifacts are found inside of coal beds, if the Adam and Eve theory is not actually discussing a realistic scientific review of first human life and how they altered natural Laws in Creation?

How do Scientists or intellects discuss relativity? They discuss it in dialogues that most of humanity are unaware of. Why wouldn't the ancient intellect apply the same method?
 
I Ratant said:
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The "sound barrier" was so termed because of the difficulty of moving faster than the speed of sound with large objects.
Small objects such as bullets had "broken" that "barrier" not long after the invention of bullets.
The "sonic boom" is an audible effect of the inability of sound to move faster than the speed of sound. The air around the supersonic object is compressed by the passage of the object. When the compressed wave passes a detector, all the sound that couldn't "get out of the way" is heard at once.
The sonic boom from the Space Shuttle for instance would shake my house, even though the shuttle was miles away as it passed.
A camera can "see" the shock waves although the eye may not, usually.
As with this photo of Darryl Greenamyer's F-104 at 1.28 times the speed of sound. When see against the background of the mountains, the effect of the thicker air in the shock waves generated by various parts of the plane can be seen, while against the blue sky, no.
With a nice level of humidity, the compressed air in the shocks would be seen as a fog.
For flyers in commercial jets, sitting on the down-sun side of the plane over the wing, the shadow of a shock wave can be observed, and it will move back and forth in response to changes in the air density at the time of the observation, as in this photo of a shock wave on the wing of an L-1011.
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Breaking the sound barrier demonstrates that the natural atmospheric condition is normal/natural. Passing the body through it breaks it.....the reason clouds form as an unnatural body in the natural state as the air craft break up sound.

The atmosphere discussed in ancient literature as Heaven involving angelic sound as a review of the acts in creation. Angels as bodies stated to be witnessed in Heaven.

Clouds a normal forming situation. VI SION actual bodies witnessed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2gD5lLZ_7g

What does a shock wave have to do with sound? Shock is caused by a disturbance creating a force.

You are consciousness. You thought about values, named values and gave the named values values as you observe tests/experiments. If you determine by thought processes that you imply breaking the sound barrier then obviously your own consciousness told you that it implies to the situation it is reviewing.
 
wendy moir said:
Breaking the sound barrier demonstrates that the natural atmospheric condition is normal/natural. Passing the body through it breaks it.....the reason clouds form as an unnatural body in the natural state as the air craft break up sound.

The atmosphere discussed in ancient literature as Heaven involving angelic sound as a review of the acts in creation. Angels as bodies stated to be witnessed in Heaven.

Clouds a normal forming situation. VI SION actual bodies witnessed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2gD5lLZ_7g

What does a shock wave have to do with sound? Shock is caused by a disturbance creating a force.

You are consciousness. You thought about values, named values and gave the named values values as you observe tests/experiments. If you determine by thought processes that you imply breaking the sound barrier then obviously your own consciousness told you that it implies to the situation it is reviewing.
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All of this is wrong.
 
wendy moir said:
Breaking the sound barrier demonstrates that the natural atmospheric condition is normal/natural. Passing the body through it breaks it.....the reason clouds form as an unnatural body in the natural state as the air craft break up sound.

The atmosphere discussed in ancient literature as Heaven involving angelic sound as a review of the acts in creation. Angels as bodies stated to be witnessed in Heaven.

Clouds a normal forming situation. VI SION actual bodies witnessed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2gD5lLZ_7g

What does a shock wave have to do with sound? Shock is caused by a disturbance creating a force.

You are consciousness. You thought about values, named values and gave the named values values as you observe tests/experiments. If you determine by thought processes that you imply breaking the sound barrier then obviously your own consciousness told you that it implies to the situation it is reviewing.
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Breaking the sound barrier is a figure of speech. Nothing gets broken, because you can obviously still hear.
 
Donn said:
No.



I Ratant, great job. Great pics. Great thanks!
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Some one had to do it! :)
Those supersonic passes by the F-104... I was 600 feet from the plane, and the booms were very uncomfortable! Like standing close to the muzzle of a large caliber cannon as it fired.
 
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