Huh? Terrorists???

[MIKILLINI]

The "War On Terror" suits many interests; Whether it be Arms dealers, countries who have special interests in whatever area conflicts are happening, sects who are getting recognition now more than ever. Fill in the blank here.
The big problem of the "War on a tactic" is; Who asks for unconditional surrender? The terrorists? Who are they? Who as a representative of one group or all groups, accepts terms of unconditional surrender?
Is the U.S. the one to accept these terms? what are the terms? The "WAR" will certainly continue beyond the Bush presidency.
The "war" is now a political football for both parties, especially with 2008 Presidential elections coming up in about 18 months. This will be the main topic; Bush does not want to leave, the democrats sound like they want us to, but...the democratic Congress keeps funding the money. Thats how it will end; if Congress will no longer allocates the money to keep our troops in Iraq.

 

[Oliver]

No, Oliver. I don't get my information from politicians. This isn't the first time you've tried to tell me where I get my information, and you were wrong the last time. All of which is especially ironic, since you seem to have gotten so little information on the topic from any source.

So where do you get your latest "Holy War" myths from since our Media here doesn't care about people who said something somewhere in some distant desert? This explains your believe in a threat against the worlds biggest, military superpower?

You actually believe that the US-Gov is scared about Al Qaida but in the same breath missed to care about them? Sorry, that really made me laugh.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/view/

Anyway: I have to get some sleep now and maybe you have something that would convince anyone in here tomorrow.

 

[Tony]

The "War On Terror" suits many interests; Whether it be Arms dealers, countries who have special interests in whatever area conflicts are happening, sects who are getting recognition now more than ever. Fill in the blank here.
The big problem of the "War on a tactic" is; Who asks for unconditional surrender? The terrorists? Who are they? Who as a representative of one group or all groups, accepts terms of unconditional surrender?
Is the U.S. the one to accept these terms? what are the terms? The "WAR" will certainly continue beyond the Bush presidency.

I've long maintained that the "war on terror" is silly. Make no mistake, the war, if you can call it that, is against islamic fanaticism, and, unlike "terror", islamic fanaticism can be defeated. But this doesn't play well with the american right who has a political interest in a never ending "war" against an undefined enemy.

 

[Tony]

So where do you get your latest "Holy War" myths from since our Media here doesn't care about people who said something somewhere in some distant desert?

Your media doesn't care about the facts?

Interesting.

 

[mr rosewater]

After 911 President Bush called for a war on terror.
I believe he honestly thought the world was sick of this kind of behavior.
He was wrong.
The world could care less about terrorism, as a matter of fact they embrace it.
If president Bush had asked me, I would have told him not to invade Afghanistan or Iraq but introduce them to a level of terrorism they would never forget, I would also add Syria and Iran just for fun!

 

[g4macdad]

After 911 President Bush called for a war on terror.
I believe he honestly thought the world was sick of this kind of behavior.
He was wrong.
The world could care less about terrorism, as a matter of fact they embrace it.
If president Bush had asked me, I would have told him not to invade Afghanistan or Iraq but introduce them to a level of terrorism they would never forget, I would also add Syria and Iran just for fun!

You support terrorism?

 

[Ziggurat]

So where do you get your latest "Holy War" myths from

If what I've been saying is all just myths, you should be able to disprove at least some of them. But you don't, and you haven't. Perhaps because you can't? It amazes me that you can conclude I'm wrong when you know so very, very little yourself.

As to my sources I already gave you one of my sources previously: http://www.memri.org , a site where you can find out what the jihadis are saying to each other, and not just the spin they try to push in the west. I also pay attention to people like Hirsi Ali, another prominent figure on the topic whom you were blissfully unaware of until I mentioned her. Or Michael Yon, an independent reporter who's been doing some of the best front-line reporting out there on the war in Iraq:
http://michaelyon-online.com/
And that's only some of the sources I follow.

since our Media here doesn't care about people who said something somewhere in some distant desert?

Maybe the problem isn't me caring what people say when they say they want to kill me. Maybe the problem is "your" media thinking that such things can't possibly matter. Well, they do matter. They matter quite a bit. And not only in terms of airplanes, something that apparently still hasn't sunken in despite being told repeatedly that the problem is much broader:

 

[g4macdad]

“May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds.”

Or be safe and obedient.

 

[MIKILLINI]

I've long maintained that the "war on terror" is silly. Make no mistake, the war, if you can call it that, is against islamic fanaticism, and, unlike "terror", islamic fanaticism can be defeated. But this doesn't play well with the american right who has a political interest in a never ending "war" against an undefined enemy.

Indeed, Islamic fanaticism can be defeated, but if only the U.S. would conduct itself in smart diplomacy. "Shock and Awe" and sanctions do not appear to be making much progress.

 

[MIKILLINI]

“May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds.”

Or be safe and obedient.

And.." Your silence will not protect you"

 

[g4macdad]

And.." Your silence will not protect you"

How am I being silent?

 

[WildCat]

I'm like Brodski - all my life has been lived under the immediate threat of domestic terrorism so AQ now targeting the UK is just more of the same, it does not affect how I live my life.

Al Qaeda is not likely to phone in the bomb threat, specifying the location of the bomb, in order to reduce or eliminate casualties.

 

[g4macdad]

Al Qaeda is not likely to phone in the bomb threat, specifying the location of the bomb, in order to reduce or eliminate casualties.

Are you Al Qaeda's new spokesmen?

 

[WildCat]

Are you Al Qaeda's new spokesmen?

The IRA actively tried to reduce casualties of their bombings, going for psycological effect rather than actual deaths. For al Qaeda, the more deaths the better. That's why they detonate car bombs in crowded markets, and ram airliners into office buildings.

And the IRA really didn't particularly care about religion, they just happened to be Catholic and formed their gang according to long-standing rivalries that may have started off as a religious matter hundreds of years ago but evolved into organized crime. Running drugs, gambling, prostitution, and protection rackets are their bread and butter - not spreading the Vatican's message.

Al Qaeda is truly a religiously-based organization - and the fact that they really do believe they're on a mission from God (my apologies to the Blues Brothers) makes them far more dangerous, and irrational. There weren't any IRA suicide bombers.

 

[g4macdad]

The IRA actively tried to reduce casualties of their bombings, going for psycological effect rather than actual deaths. For al Qaeda, the more deaths the better. That's why they detonate car bombs in crowded markets, and ram airliners into office buildings.

And the IRA really didn't particularly care about religion, they just happened to be Catholic and formed their gang according to long-standing rivalries that may have started off as a religious matter hundreds of years ago but evolved into organized crime. Running drugs, gambling, prostitution, and protection rackets are their bread and butter - not spreading the Vatican's message.

Al Qaeda is truly a religiously-based organization - and the fact that they really do believe they're on a mission from God (my apologies to the Blues Brothers) makes them far more dangerous, and irrational. There weren't any IRA suicide bombers.

And we are supposed to do what again?

 

[Undesired Walrus]

This assumption is incorrect. Ever hear of a fellow by the name of Sayyid Qutb? He's one of the ideological forefathers of Al Qaeda. He hated America, with a passion. And his hatred was not born out of any foreign policy we were engaged it (it predated most of our supposed sins anyways), but was very much a hatred of who we were. There's a reason Barbie is outlawed in Saudi Arabia, and it's not because of her support for Israel.

Is he the bloke who became 'enlightened' with the american church dancing to 'signing in the rain'?

It's funny. I had multiple IRA attacks in my lifetime, one even in my home town of Ealing in 2001. We even had that nutter nail bomber who killed all those people in the gay nightclub. Every single time that happened, even when Ealing was bombed, nobody phoned up to ask if we were ok. Yet on both occasions, on the 7th and 21st of July 2005, we had constant phonecalls from people all over asking if we were ok, even though the closest one was at Shepards Bush on the 21st, even though nobody was killed. As anyone in London at the time knows, the phone lines were jammed. This has to say something. Somehow, because it is a bunch of guys who look arabic (Regardless that the 21st guys were all African) there is a bigger hysteria.

 

[g4macdad]

“Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others.”

 

[WildCat]

And we are supposed to do what again?

I believe you think we should force public schools to teach your religion's creation myth as scientific fact, and all the evil in the world will melt away or something.

 

[mr rosewater]

You support terrorism?

You bet in spades! Got a problem with it.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

"Suspected" Terrorists. You and your sources scare the crap out of me, Pardalis.

Well seeing how British Muslims seem to be recruited by the minute from respectable suburban homes, in order to do outrageous acts like beheading a Muslim British soldier on the internet, blowing up 10 trans-atlantic airliners and crashing them into 10 american cities, destroying 3 tubes and 1 bus and attempting to do the same two weeks later, having an active following at Finsbury Park Mosque, I'd say you are wrong.

Take a look at this. Take a look at the young men around him. This is real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jlP4V5wyls

And when you have twats like Abu Izzadeen and Anjem Choudary spouting his moronic statements, you can see what is going on.

Let me make clear I am willing to say that the terrorist threat is a tad overblown in terms of the problems we face today, and I do not have any problems with a Muslim London, but to insinuate that there is no real, problematic threat is ridiculous.