Hugo Chavez Loves Free Speech...

Captain.Sassy said:
Nope.

He's a blowhard so I'm not surprised when he says wacky stuff.
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So I take it if Palin gets elected (I hope she doesn't), if she says wacky stuff you'll just excuse her because she's just a "blowhard"?

The fact that Chávez is a blowhard and the president of a country doesn't bother you?

Glenn Beck is a blowhard too, but he's not the head of state of a large multitude, and doesn't have relations with Iran and Russia.

Remember what Shermer said: Beliefs drive behaviors.

If someone says wacky stuff, that someone is most likely to do wacky stuff, and when such a wacko is in a position of power, people should start to worry.
 
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Pardalis said:
So I take it if Palin gets elected (I hope she doesn't), if she says wacky stuff you'll just excuse her because she's just a "blowhard"?

The fact that Chávez is a blowhard and the president of a country doesn't bother you?

Glenn Beck is a blowhard too, but he's not the head of state of a large multitude, and doesn't have relations with Iran and Russia.
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I won't be surprised if any of them say wacky stuff, no.

I won't condone it either.

I don't like that Chavez voiced support for Idi Amin or Carlos the Jackalope, but I'd definitely like to see the full text of the speech before reaching any definitive conclusions.
 
Captain.Sassy said:
I don't like that Chavez voiced support for Idi Amin or Carlos the Jackalope, but I'd definitely like to see the full text of the speech before reaching any definitive conclusions.
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In this day and age of telecommunications, it's baffling that you haven't found it yet.
 
Relax, snippy.

I meant what terms did you search for?

If you don't want to have to find things for me in the future, then it's in your interest to teach me!

:D
 
Virus said:
I dislike the term "his own people". I live in one of the most liberal democracies in the world and I'd object to being called "Kevin Rudd's person."
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Would you also have a problem with Australians being called your people? Or with using the phrase "fellow Australians"?
There is no difference. It does not denote ownership, merely membership.
It is not comparable to being called "Kevin Rudds person", but rather with being called "one of Kevin Rudds own people" or, for that matter, "one of Viruses own people".
In other words, a member of that specific populace that includes the person in question.
 
Wow the ignorance of Venezuela ITT is amazing. Try doing a minimal amount of research before spouting off opinions. I'm not a big fan of Chavez's personality (clearly he's a flawed individual), but only in bizarro world is a democratically elected president a "dictator", or is Globovision "the last remaining media outlet critical of Chavez". Actually it's impressive that a news organization that rallied for the violent overthrow of a democratic government has been allowed to remain a business there.
 
cornsail said:
Wow the ignorance of Venezuela ITT is amazing. Try doing a minimal amount of research before spouting off opinions. I'm not a big fan of Chavez's personality (clearly he's a flawed individual), but only in bizarro world is a democratically elected president a "dictator", or is Globovision "the last remaining media outlet critical of Chavez". Actually it's impressive that a news organization that rallied for the violent overthrow of a democratic government has been allowed to remain a business there.
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I get my stuff from people there.

What do you normally call a political leader who use the military to seize private property and business?

How did RCTV do by being anti Chavez? Thrown off air, cable and sat and accused of orchestrating a coup. Same will happen to Globo for the same false accusations.
 
funk de fino said:
I get my stuff from people there.
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Have they considered voting for someone else? Or is the majority of the population pro-dictatorship?

How did RCTV do by being anti Chavez? Thrown off air, cable and sat and accused of orchestrating a coup. Same will happen to Globo for the same false accusations.
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The agenda of both RCTV and Globovision was pretty clear: support the coup. Couldn't they have supported voting for someone else? I'm not agreeing with their censorship, but if that happened in the US I seriously doubt the government would tolerate it.
 
Captain.Sassy said:
Chavez takes over the grocery stores, now there's no food.

No mention of any drought.

Odd.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hqizmmbJyyZeh30urxp5lWMS8FyQ

Perhaps the food crisis in Guatemala is similarly due to Chavez taking over grocery stores?
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When you set the price of food at less than the cost of production you will get shortages, drought or no drought.

Had Chavez kept his infrastructure maintained they could weather the drought better, but like all kleptocrats he put off those expenses to buy votes from the poor. How is his oil production and revenues going? Ooops, he's not maintaining those assets very well either, is he? And there's none left to seize from others...

"A hungry mob is an angry mob"

Gonna get a lot worse in Venezuela. At least there's no nukes up for grabs when the feces hits the fan.
 
cornsail said:
Have they considered voting for someone else? Or is the majority of the population pro-dictatorship?
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Look up Tascons list and the other "database". people do not have a free vor secret vote in Venezuela. They learned to their cost what voting against or signing petition against him means. I guess you are lucky to be able to vote and no-one knows who you voted for?

The agenda of both RCTV and Globovision was pretty clear: support the coup. Couldn't they have supported voting for someone else? I'm not agreeing with their censorship, but if that happened in the US I seriously doubt the government would tolerate it.
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They supported the protests, they were not ivolved in the coup no matter what Chavez lies were told later. I guess you do not know much about that day eh? There were counter protests also and its not like Chavez has been involved in coup before is it?

Is Fox News biased enough for you? Glenn Beck and his 9/12 lot or the Tea partiers?
 
Captain.Sassy said:
Chavez takes over the grocery stores, now there's no food.

No mention of any drought.

Odd.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hqizmmbJyyZeh30urxp5lWMS8FyQ

Perhaps the food crisis in Guatemala is similarly due to Chavez taking over grocery stores?
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Agriculture is about 3% of GDP. They import most food. Maybe that's why it's not important.

ETA: and you're comparing a country with 7 times the GDP to one that relies on agriculture for almost half of it's economy. Staggering difference.
 
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funk de fino said:
Look up Tascons list and the other "database". people do not have a free vor secret vote in Venezuela. They learned to their cost what voting against or signing petition against him means. I guess you are lucky to be able to vote and no-one knows who you voted for?
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Not defending the Tascón List, but that was a list of signees for a petition, not an election or even the recall vote.

They supported the protests, they were not ivolved in the coup no matter what Chavez lies were told later. I guess you do not know much about that day eh? There were counter protests also and its not like Chavez has been involved in coup before is it?
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I didn't say they were directly involved in the coup. They gave it favorable coverage and loads of free airtime to the opposition group though. And to my knowledge they didn't cover the counter-protests.

Is Fox News biased enough for you? Glenn Beck and his 9/12 lot or the Tea partiers?
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Huh?
 
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