Hugo Chavez Loves Free Speech...

Captain.Sassy said:
Am I an apologist for thinking there must be some reason he seems to enjoy substantial support at home?
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Yes, because merely having a support base doesn't mean you're not a dictator. Hitler, Mussolini, Nasser (or Egypt), and the Ayatollah Khomeini (to name a few obvious examples) had mass public support -- at least for a while.

H'm -- you can add Bush to the list, can't you? We all know BUSH IS AN EVIL DICTATOR despite winning two elections and having many BRAINWASHED AND STUPID supporters. At least Chavez supporters like to claim this.

Funny how it's the man-of-the-people Chavez who puts reporters he doesn't like in jail and closes all opposition papers, not Bush. But that's just me. I'm sure if I were only a little smarter, like progressives are, it would all make perfect sense to me.
 
Skeptic said:
Funny how it's the man-of-the-people Chavez who puts reporters he doesn't like in jail and closes all opposition papers, not Bush. But that's just me. I'm sure if I were only a little smarter, like progressives are, it would all make perfect sense to me.
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I know! Just look at all those progressives talking about Bush in this thread!

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Grrrrrr. We'll get dem durn progressives one of these days..
 
To the pro-Chavez crowd: Did it even raise an eyebrow when he praised Carlos the Jackal as a freedom fighter and Idi Amin as a patriot?
 
JihadJane said:
Are you suggesting than oil prices aren't going to skyrocket again?
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Oh heaven help me, I think I'm about to agree with JihadJane on something...

Because Venezuela has large oil deposits and is a major oil supplier to the US, not to mention that Chavez is a socialist, it is very naive to claim that "nobody cares about" him!
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Aaaaannnd she lost me again. False alarm people.
 
quixotecoyote said:
I know! Just look at all those progressives talking about Bush in this thread!

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Grrrrrr. We'll get dem durn progressives one of these days..
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As one of the token conservatives here, I officially concede that there is a definite lack of Chavez love in this thread.

With the exception of JihadJane (and she doesn't count because she and Chavez are both 9/11 truthers) you all passed. Grats.
 
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There's a good video i am reminded of which shows people's contemporary attitudes towards chavez



Should have gone to specsavers.

ETA: I already made a thread on this.
 
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Recommended reading for all spectacle lovers:

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Sword_Of_Truth said:
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JihadJane said:
Because Venezuela has large oil deposits and is a major oil supplier to the US, not to mention that Chavez is a socialist, it is very naive to claim that "nobody cares about" him!
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Aaaaannnd she lost me again. False alarm people.
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What is it about my statement that lost you?

Powerful people in the US and elsewhere seem to care about him very much and just the mention of his name gets the familiar JREF pond life frothin' madly about Stalin etc!
 
Skeptic said:
There is freedom of speech in both Venezuela and the USA. In both countries you can walk down the street saying Obama is an idiot and NOTHING WILL HAPPEN to you.

Look, dudalb. The moment Chavez was elected, many people here, myself included, said this is bad news -- yet another South American country on the way to dictatorship. The allegedly "sophisticated" "progressive" folks went over the top about such hurtful, unjustified accusations. How dare we say that about someone who SAYS ALL THE RIGHT THINGS about socialism and Bush being evil and American imperialism! We're just stooges for the right-wing media who hates Chavez for exposing Bush and America as the evil entities that they are!
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Actaualy no you were just stooges for the people who tried to overthrow him using force. The result of which is that while Bush remained in charge the US had exactly zero credbility on the issue and things have only marginaly improved since that time.

Backing the ideology of coup in south america is one thing. There can be good money in that. Backing the ideology of a failed coup shows a painful lack of judgment.
 
I dislike the term "his own people". I live in one of the most liberal democracies in the world and I'd object to being called "Kevin Rudd's person."

Society of the Spectacle? Wouldn't bother. It's post-modernist garbage on stilts. For example:

Once ideology — the abstract will to universality and the illusion associated with that will — is legitimized by the universal abstraction and the effective dictatorship of illusion that prevail in modern society, it is no longer a voluntaristic struggle of the fragmentary, but its triumph. Ideological pretensions take on a sort of flat, positivistic precision: they no longer represent historical choices, they are assertions of undeniable facts.
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The whole book reads like that. You might as well just randomly generate it with a computer program like here: http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/
 
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daenku32 said:
What I'm saying is that the initial complaints about Chavez and the old Communist revolution were just ideological, regarding the marketplace and social welfare. There was a massive campaign to discredit Chavez before he had attempted to silence anyone, simply because of his socialism.
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BS, he had been involved in a coup previous to that. Many people knew what kind of character he was. It was only after some of my friends told me of what was happening to them and others in the country that I got involved with threads about him. I would probably be classed as a left winger in the US.
 
JihadJane said:
Powerful people in the US and elsewhere seem to care about him very much and just the mention of his name gets the familiar JREF pond life frothin' madly about Stalin etc!
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It Chavez who has the obsession with the US, not the other way about.
 
I wonder if Venezuelan-born White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen is subject to arrest now when he goes back?

Ozzie Guillen said:
Oh my god seam penn defended ours president hugo chavez thas easy when you no leave in venezuela and have money lol is a joke shame on y ...
10:45 AM Mar 12th via txt

Sean penn defended chavez is easy when you have money and no leave in out country shame on you mr penn
10:48 AM Mar 12th via txt

Oh god you are very crazy go and move to our country you will change you mind
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Sean penn deviera vivir en venezuela para hablar tanta paja un izquierdista estupodo vete a guarenas a ver
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http://twitter.com/OzzieGuillen

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And less than 5 years ago Ozzie let Hugo slobber all over the WS trophy...
 
Virus said:
I dislike the term "his own people". I live in one of the most liberal democracies in the world and I'd object to being called "Kevin Rudd's person."

Society of the Spectacle? Wouldn't bother. It's post-modernist garbage on stilts. For example:



The whole book reads like that. You might as well just randomly generate it with a computer program like here: http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/
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In what way is The Society of the Spectacle "post-modernist"?

Debord and the Postmodern Turn: New Stages of the Spectacle


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Virus said:
To the pro-Chavez crowd: Did it even raise an eyebrow when he praised Carlos the Jackal as a freedom fighter and Idi Amin as a patriot?
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Nope.

He's a blowhard so I'm not surprised when he says wacky stuff.

Of course, some of what he 'says', he actually never really said...
 
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